Deal with Cuba?

[TheKOB]

So what do you guys think about Cuba?

Leave the republican/democrat crap to another thread, please....actually, that's where I got the idea.

Me, I'm all for trading with them. There's two ways to spread democracy. The first is through war, which is unnecessarily costly considering the other option. The other way is free trade. Castro will be wearing blue jeans and driving around in a Yukon Denali blasting "God Bless the USA" before you know it.

It's happening in China. Their ideology is being proven false because the businesses they're allowing to exist are doing well. Why not do away with the businesses? Because that would cost China money and income. It won't be soon until someone says "lets just get rid of all that communist crap".

Thoughts?

[Longest]

Cuba continues the way it does because of Castro, plain and simple. I think if we expose them to free trade and free market ideas, eventually Castro is going to die and the people will be in a better position to clamor for something different. His charisma alone keeps that system functioning so far.

Dan

[TheKOB]

Cuba continues the way it does because of Castro, plain and simple. I think if we expose them to free trade and free market ideas, eventually Castro is going to die and the people will be in a better position to clamor for something different. His charisma alone keeps that system functioning so far.

Dan

It's almost like they don't know that things could be better. They live on an island. Their TV, press, etc are tightly controlled. I don't think it's that much of a stretch...

[V-cut]

thats why people tied a chevy truck to pontoons to get here...

people know it would be better here, and there already is a considerably large trade between US and Cuba; although no official documents say so. The goods go to mexico then to cuba and vice versa. i

[Frndlefire]

I am under the impression that once Castro dies thing will change.

[V-cut]

no it won't.. his filthy brother will take command... and he's even worse than fidel.

[BTlaxripper]

yeah I've heard rumors that the next guy to be the ruler is worse. But I really don't know. If we trade with them then we support communism, but we trade with china and such. meh..

[Frndlefire]

However, Fidel is really as much of a symbol as he is a leader. I think that once Fidel dies we will step in and end this whole joke of a situation. I mean, is Cuba really a threat?

[roughrider]

So what do you guys think about Cuba?

Leave the republican/democrat crap to another thread, please....actually, that's where I got the idea.

Me, I'm all for trading with them. There's two ways to spread democracy. The first is through war, which is unnecessarily costly considering the other option. The other way is free trade. Castro will be wearing blue jeans and driving around in a Yukon Denali blasting "God Bless the USA" before you know it.

It's happening in China. Their ideology is being proven false because the businesses they're allowing to exist are doing well. Why not do away with the businesses? Because that would cost China money and income. It won't be soon until someone says "lets just get rid of all that communist crap".

Thoughts?

I think Cuba is alot better off than people would imagine. castro, while being an evil dictator did more for his country than another ruler probablly would. I am all for reopening the lines of trading with Cuba, this however has reprocutions. THe large Cuban american population is against doing so and so no politician has the balls to back it

[LatinBabe]

cuba really isn't that bad apparently... unless you commit treason. for the most part life there is relatively nice. they get alot of american visitors via mexico and such and once there it's like walking down the streets of lower-middle class miami. not that bad all things considered. i went last summer to visit mi abuela afterall...

[Longest]

yeah I've heard rumors that the next guy to be the ruler is worse. But I really don't know. If we trade with them then we support communism, but we trade with china and such. meh..

Explain how trading with them is support for communism.

Dan

[LatinBabe]

toughie.

i guess since cuba had failed quite a bit since the USSR failed, trading with them and raising their economy is in fact supporting communism?

well, even without official US trade, there is much trade that use stopgaps such as mexico were it is legal to trade with cuba; not to mention all the other countries entering the cuban market.

[Longest]

toughie.

i guess since cuba had failed quite a bit since the USSR failed, trading with them and raising their economy is in fact supporting communism?


Weak argument Katy, you can do better.

Dan

[LatinBabe]

well, i was trying to play devil's advocate.

[roughrider]

How is communism such a threat that we worry over supporting it now? We must support the people of the country regardless of the government. Its silly to try to villianize them because they are communist. I thought the 1950s were over, communism has failed and does not pose any sort of threat

[LatinBabe]

atleast on the outside.

the USSR's oldest threat is coming true.
""We will bury you... We do not have to invade the United States, we will destroy you from within."

By that, they mean the Democrats...

[Longest]

How is communism such a threat that we worry over supporting it now? We must support the people of the country regardless of the government. Its silly to try to villianize them because they are communist. I thought the 1950s were over, communism has failed and does not pose any sort of threat

It isn't dead as long as persons such as you support government intervention with heavy taxes on the rich to "even the field because we know better", universal health care, etc. Those are communistic ideas that you espouse.

Dan

[Frndlefire]

atleast on the outside.

the USSR's oldest threat is coming true.
""We will bury you... We do not have to invade the United States, we will destroy you from within."

By that, they mean the Democrats... Joke? or are you actually villianising Democrats and saying that they are attempting to destroy our country?

It isn't dead as long as persons such as you support government intervention with heavy taxes on the rich to "even the field because we know better", universal health care, etc. Those are communistic ideas that you espouse.

Dan Communism in and of itself is not an entirly bad concept. Of course, it is realistically impossible to have a truly communistic nation, but why wouldn't you want everyone to have food, shelter, etc.? Greed is an instrinsic part of human nature. Look at a ery young child and you can recognise greed. They are too young to have learned greed and yet if you have a child in a playpen, and there is a ball in that playpen, you could take that ball out of the playpen and some children would become upset. We are inherantly greedy and so this idea that everyone has the same amount of wealth doesn't appeal to a lot of people.

[TheKOB]

This just in...Castro Falls!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6294511/

yeah, I got excited when I looked on MSN as well. Speaking of misleading journalism...

[Longest]

Joke? or are you actually villianising Democrats and saying that they are attempting to destroy our country?

Communism in and of itself is not an entirly bad concept. Of course, it is realistically impossible to have a truly communistic nation, but why wouldn't you want everyone to have food, shelter, etc.? Greed is an instrinsic part of human nature. Look at a ery young child and you can recognise greed. They are too young to have learned greed and yet if you have a child in a playpen, and there is a ball in that playpen, you could take that ball out of the playpen and some children would become upset. We are inherantly greedy and so this idea that everyone has the same amount of wealth doesn't appeal to a lot of people.

I DO want everyone to have food and shelter. I just don't think it's the government's job to rob Peter and Paul to provide it for Joe nor do I find it moral, legal or even the smartest solution available. Capitalism and compassion are NOT opposites.

Dan