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jktlax
11-12-2007, 01:06 PM
How are we going to call the New Uniform Rule, What are the Mechanics? Does the Coach have to request a "Uniform Check? I am so Confused
In lieu of there being no Mechanics Manual for Federation rulebook...
Officials to be observant of teams' uniforms prior to the start of the game...much the way they already are for everyone having arm pads, gloves, shoulder pads, etc. If officials notice a uniform violation or it is brought to their attention, they would request the offending team's coach to correct the situation prior to the start of the game. If it can't be corrected, then the game will start with the other team awarded the ball at center X.
Once the game begins there will be no further consequences for either team regarding uniform violations.
LaxRef
11-12-2007, 02:13 PM
How are we going to call the New Uniform Rule, What are the Mechanics? Does the Coach have to request a "Uniform Check? I am so Confused
Not sure what you're talking about here. There is no new "uniform rule." There are new NFHS requirements for jerseys, but really that makes no difference in officials calling uniform violations.
There is a new rule for NFHS stating that if there are uniform violations before the game there is one technical foul assessed and then no more fouls are called. This will be in your new rule book.
jktlax
11-12-2007, 02:20 PM
Are we going to measure the numbers on their jerseys?
LaxRef
11-12-2007, 03:18 PM
Are we going to measure the numbers on their jerseys?
No way. Not unless we're directed to by the league, or unless the opposing coach objects before the game.
We didn't measure before, and I see no need to start now. Even if whole team is wearing illegal jerseys and the other coach objects, we have one technical foul and then we play the game with no more uniform violations to be assessed by rule.
I have a feeling that many areas may decide to have us report any such violations to the league, which may take additional sanctions (in much the same way as an illegal field is handled in NFHS: you report the violation but play the game if it can be done safely; for NFHS, there is a foul for illegal goals but not for illegal field).
Measuring the numbers is an invitation for problems (unless the coach makes an issue out of it; then you have to). I tend to fall on the stickler side of things--although I try to keep myself toward the middle--and personally I have to say that if we try to make a big deal out of this (which doesn't affect the play of the game and doesn't influence safety) it's just going to create problems. This is in the "don't go looking for trouble" category.
But again, if one of the coaches complains prior to the game, you have to enforce it. Also, if it's going to be an issue for me--I always complain about the games with red helmets and torsos and white everything else versus white helmets and torsos and red everything else--I'll assess the foul and report it to the league. But if everyone can read the numbers and no one complains, let's play.
Oh, and under the new NFHS rules, once the game starts, there are no uniform violations (with the possible exception, I think, of one that could not have been observed before the game).
wolfenburg
11-13-2007, 03:28 AM
I like this don't look for trouble.
Apropos uniforms. Do everybody has to ware the same uniform or dose it have to have just the same color(s). (lets, say Team B has two sets of jersys, old and new ones, and mixed them, they are both of the same color but have a different design). And would it be leagel to change the numbers with tape in order to have every number just once in the team.
farside268
11-14-2007, 05:34 PM
I like this don't look for trouble.
Apropos uniforms. Do everybody has to ware the same uniform or dose it have to have just the same color(s). (lts, say Team B has to sets of jersys, old and new ones, and mixed them, they are both of the same color but have a different design). And would it be leagel to change the numbers with tape in order to have every number just once in the team.
First, this is an NFHS change, not ILF, so I doubt this will affect anyone across the pond. However, the main concern of the change is to eliminate the two-colour shirts that prove pretty confusing in a fast-paced game. As to enforcement, it will really depend on the administration in your area. At the varsity level, I'd expect the rule to be enforced as the teams have had a few years to prepare. Given that the penalty is fairly minor, I don't see a reason to not enforce this at the lower levels either. Compared to basketball, which requires a technical foul for each player with an illegal uniform, losing the ball to start is pretty mild.
As far as tape for numbers, I'm very hesitant to allow it in my games. Unless players are using something pretty strong, like duct tape, those numbers seem to fall of pretty easily.
BlueJaysLaxFan
11-15-2007, 06:19 AM
If a player is not wearing a legal uniform and a solution can be found that is still okay with you and the coaches, why not start with a FO? At a varsity game last spring, one player from the visiting team did not have his away jersey, so he ended up using a color-friendly practice pennie with his number taped to the front and back. It worked out well, and unless the game is being televised or is high visibility (i.e., playoff game) there is room for an agreed to solution. If the proposed solution did not make sense to me (like using a dirty teeshirt or a jersey that has a confusing color), I would at that point administer the technical.
I also want to say that especially early in the season I will point out uniform issues such as helmets not matching to the coaches. This is especially because I know they will get dinged later in the season, and the coaches appreciate me warning them about this.
farside268
11-15-2007, 09:36 AM
The problem there is the definition of "later in the season." Is it after the first week? the first month? state tournament? I agree that an on the spot situation, such as a player forgetting his shirt, is exceptional. However, when you have an entire team that isn't even trying, taking away that first face-off seems pretty reasonable. It doesn't hurt the team terribly, but it does make the point that these teams need to comply with the rules.
BlueJaysLaxFan
11-15-2007, 09:51 AM
Good point, and it is judgement based. My example referred to a newly started first year varsity team with helmets the same colors, but with some slight variations on markings and stripes. Certainly a well established program should know better, early or later in the season.
LaxRef
11-15-2007, 10:10 AM
Good point, and it is judgement based. My example referred to a newly started first year varsity team with helmets the same colors, but with some slight variations on markings and stripes. Certainly a well established program should know better, early or later in the season.
There's actually no rule that says the helmets have to match exactly in marking and stripes. What the NFHS rule says is that "All players of a team shall wear helmets of the same color or colors." The NCAA rule says "All players on a team must wear helmets of the same dominant team color or colors."
BlueJaysLaxFan
11-15-2007, 10:34 AM
Not only another good point, but good refresher of the rules.
we are buying new jerseys, so where can i see the new requirments so we don't buy illegal jerseys.
MElaxRef
02-07-2008, 09:18 AM
we are buying new jerseys, so where can i see the new requirments so we don't buy illegal jerseys.
The requirements for jerseys are published in the 2007 and the 2008 NFHS rule books.
Actually, NFHS put the new jersey requirements in the rule book for several years prior to enforcement, thus ensuring that teams / coaches / athletic directors can not possibly be surprised.:read:
i dont have the rule book, is there somewhere online?
brainddeadjock
02-07-2008, 04:52 PM
i dont have the rule book, is there somewhere online?
It's not online.
NFHS makes you buy the book.
massref
02-07-2008, 05:59 PM
Rule 1-9g: Jerseys shall be of a single, solid color with the following trim specifications permitted:
1. Collar, cuffs and waistband may be of contrasting colors, but not more than 2 inches wide.
2. Side inserts (armpit to waist) may be of contrasting color(s), but no more than 3 inches wide. [The NFHS STRESSED to the armpit only, not down the sleeve.]
3. Numbers shall be centered vertically and horizontally and at least 8 inches tall on the front and at least 12 inches tall on the back.
4. Numbers may contain contrasting color trim(s) not to exceed 2 inches (the number shall contrast with the body of the jersey).
5. The jersey shall completely cover the shoulder pads.
6. and 7 are the same as last year about no duplicate numbers and the home team wears light jerseys, etc.
See NFHS Jersey Rule:
http://www.nfhs.org/web/2007/05/boys_lacrosse_jersey_rule_effect.aspx
NFHS Major Rules revisions:
http://www.nfhs.org/web/2007/12/2008_nfhs_boys_lacrosse_major_ru.aspx
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3rdPersonPlural
02-07-2008, 06:57 PM
AM14, the way I type you owe me a cool beverage in an amber bottle.
I think that you'll have to wait a half dozen years or more until AM14 is able to procure your compensation.
I also appreciated your post, and I have a fridge full of amber and green bottles - take your pick.