Syracuse new UNC?

[mexicolax]

After a dissapointing 2007 season (in SU standards), will syracuse continue this decline, or will they turn it around in 08? Many say recruiting has become somewhat weak for the orange, and are no longer able to get the top talent is this to blame, or is the team just not clicking? or is their another reason for the 5-8 of 2007.

[MaKiMaKi13]

last years GAA was 11.5% compared to cornell's GAA of 6.9%, JHU's 7.8% and Duke 7.7%

the save % was also .512% i feel thats a huge part after all there were putting the points up

[ALEX WIZ]

This year they have very strong recruits coming in. Also the orange have made many changes, such as switching coaches around. They also have John Galloway coming in from WG to play goalie (hopefully will start). He was one of the higher ranked goalies. Although I don't think the Orange will win the title this year with all these tough teams this year (Duke, UVA, etc.), I think they will have a much better season.

Search on suathletics.com to see whats going on with orange lacrosse, and whats expected for this season by reading old news on there and the new stuff.

FYI this has been dicussed in other threads before.

[mexicolax]

They have been able to pick up some awesome OCC guys, but their goalie and defense situation seems somewhat bleak, can they really turn it around?

[THALAX]

I'm not really seeing where you think there is a connection between Syracuse and UNC.

[greenshoelaces]

He means that UNC has had some bad seasons in the past, and then rose again like last year, and got to the final four.

[BLUEJAYSFAN9]

No, even though there recruiting is on the weak side, they are still getting talent. And with all the talent from the Junoir Colleges going to SU, they can only get better

[Eclipse]

He means that UNC has had some bad seasons in the past, and then rose again like last year, and got to the final four.

Actually I beleive he is referring to the UNC teams of the past, that dominated NCAA for quite a few years, only to fall off the map. Syracuse, has been a domnant team for quite sometime, but as of late, has failed to do anything of significance.

[greenshoelaces]

Actually I beleive he is referring to the UNC teams of the past, that dominated NCAA for quite a few years, only to fall off the map. Syracuse, has been a domnant team for quite sometime, but as of late, has failed to do anything of significance.

UNC was in the final four last year dude. I think that is pretty much "dominating" the majority of the ncaa.

That sounded like i was being a smart [no profanity] but i wasn't trying to.

[Bretmac]

green shoe laces dude since when is duke cornell delaware and JHU UNC they were not in the final four last year chances are he was making referance to INC teams of the past

[missouri lax]

This year they have very strong recruits coming in. Also the orange have made many changes, such as switching coaches around. They also have John Galloway coming in from WG to play goalie (hopefully will start). He was one of the higher ranked goalies. Although I don't think the Orange will win the title this year with all these tough teams this year (Duke, UVA, etc.), I think they will have a much better season.

Search on suathletics.com to see whats going on with orange lacrosse, and whats expected for this season by reading old news on there and the new stuff.

FYI this has been dicussed in other threads before.

I know somebody who is playing for Syracuse and he said the new recruits coming in for Syracuse suck.

[ekajsk8er]

I know somebody who is playing for Syracuse and he said the new recruits coming in for Syracuse suck.

Did he mean that they "suck" compared to the honest mid-may competition, or they "suck" in the first few weeks of practice. They are new freshman after all, unless they're all freaks I wouldn't expect them to be phenomenal straight out of high school.

[missouri lax]

Did he mean that they "suck" compared to the honest mid-may competition, or they "suck" in the first few weeks of practice. They are new freshman after all, unless they're all freaks I wouldn't expect them to be phenomenal straight out of high school.

I don't really know for sure. All I know is that he said his old high school team (who most of them don't play college lacrosse) could whip up on the new freshman.

[MaKiMaKi13]

I don't really know for sure. All I know is that he said his old high school team (who most of them don't play college lacrosse) could whip up on the new freshman.

thats a pretty boisterous statement considering they didnt get recruited to play college ball while the incoming freshman did

[missouri lax]

thats a pretty boisterous statement considering they didnt get recruited to play college ball while the incoming freshman did

Yeah, but I trust the guy. I'm sure he was exagerting, but the point is that the new freshman aren't good.

[LvIlLeLaX5]

syracuse is gonna be loaded this year just like last year but it didnt happen last year but will it happen this year hopefully. They got one of the deepest midfield units in the country and with hardy moving to midfield to draw the pole look for steven brooks to have a hugeeeeeeee year goin crazy on shorties and the return of patrick perritt to the midfield with give them a huge boost and sid smith willl be a huge key to there defense and look for freshman john galloway to step into the goal in the 2nd or the 3rd game after pete c chokes

[greenshoelaces]

green shoe laces dude since when is duke cornell delaware and JHU UNC they were not in the final four last year chances are he was making referance to INC teams of the past

Well they were still extremely good last year. I dont know their exact ranking, but it was still way above the majority.

[DJ Death]

what...cuse has one bad season and already there's a thread on this? remember that they made the final four in '06 by beating hopkins 13-12 in the quarters. the last time unc had a good season was '92 or '93, so it was pretty understandable when some people made a big deal about that, but this? cmon...

[Eclipse]

Well they were still extremely good last year. I dont know their exact ranking, but it was still way above the majority.

I can understand your point, but if you understand his post and look at it in context to the two teams you can see how he was most likely talking to UNC teams of the past. For example:

UNC won the national championshiop in '81, '82, '86, and '91. They also played in the NCAA Championship in '93. They are ranked 4th in NCAA championships behind only Syracuse, Princeton, and JHU. Since then, they have somewhat fallen of the map of NCAA Lacrosse until the last year or so of course. So they went from a great team, to a not so great team.

Syracuse won the National Championship 1983, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1993, 1995, 2000, 2002, 2004. They are ranked second all time in NCAA Championships. Of course in the last 3 years, they have lacked to do anything of real significane. Missing their first final four in 2005, and missing the tournament all together this past year. So they have gone from a great team, to a not so great team.

Do you see the correlation?

Either way, I think Syracuse will crawl its way back onto the scene. Every program has its ups and downs, and this will become a much more re-occuring phenomona in D1 lacrosse as more and more middle level teams begin to compete more.

[redskinsatheart]

correct me if i'm wrong, but i think i read somewhere that the last time 'cuse missed the playoffs they came back and won the title the next year. don't think yall need to worry about it...

[O.G. Laxin]

I think the problem with SU and UNC is the way they recruit. It used to be that everyone wanted to go to these schools so they didnt have to work that hard to get players. But SU really only recruits in Upstate NY with a few players mixed in from the Island and maybe 1 or 2 from somewhere else. They are not recruiting nationally like UVA or Hopkins. Then i really dont understand why UNC is doing so bad with recruiting. They are a school like UVA that practically sells it self, all they have to do is show interest in the right players but for some reason they arent showing enough interest or something. They dont go out of their way to look at players that are interested in UNC but instead it seems like they go to big camps like Blue Chip and just grab kids they like and make they offers at the camp or shortly after. They seem to have a good 08' class, but for the past couple years they have picked up some good players but continued to crash and burn as a program.

[Lurker]

correct me if i'm wrong, but i think i read somewhere that the last time 'cuse missed the playoffs they came back and won the title the next year. don't think yall need to worry about it...

Not only that, but I believe that was their magical 20-point-average season with the Gait brothers.

[TheCoolGoalie1]

Cuse has alex giocondi he is amazing player form long island Friends academy

[laxer6]

Syracuse might not even make the tourney this year. Even a lax rookie can tell they need a blue chip defenseman which they don't have. Look at where these H.S. seniors are going this year, no blue chip d-man to Cuse. I have an idea stop handing out all this scholarship money to offensive players and get a respectable defense in there. Hopkins,Duke,Virginia and even Ohio State are killing it with recruiting until Desko figures out putting up 15 goals a game is no good if your giving up 17 a game Cuse is a non factor.

[mexicolax]

Thank you Eclipse for setting things straight. That is exacly was I was referring too. I think cuse needs to realize that a team full of all starts doesn't do it, you need a TEAM, not individuals. As for recruting its getting harder and harder to get those top players. The spectrum is growing and school like UVA, hopkins, and denver are capitalizing.

[lax-crazy]

Well, I met up with the guys who from OCC who are supposed to be going to SU. So far I guess only Sid Smith is showing up to SU's practices. Cody jamieson and Kent Squair-Hill haven't been around.

Also the last time 'Cuse didn't make it to the play offs they won it last year, BCAUSE OF THE GAITS.

I mean I love 'Cuse and all.... but they don't have anyone near the gaits.

The requiting needs to change, the overall alcoholism on the team needs to change and they need to have some players with heart and the right attitude to pull this team out of the hole. With the tallent on the team last year, there was no way they should have missed the playoffs.

Besides not clicking last year I know a few of the D men they recruited from OCC didn't play. ie Sid smith and Junior bucktooth. That hit there D pretty hard, since they recruited Buck to start. So who knows. This is really a year to see if S.U can remain a power house.

[laxmiddi307]

Syracuse will go all the way.

[duck]

Well they were still extremely good last year. I dont know their exact ranking, but it was still way above the majority.

They finished #8 with a 10-6 record, but in '06 and '05 they finished 4-10 and 5-8 respectively. Compared with their past tradition of greatness, the past decade or so has been abismal. I don't think Syracuse is headed to the same fate, unless they let themselves believe they won't. If they start to think they're better than that, then that's when it will happen. They should learn from UNC's failure rather than repeat it.

[laxer6]

In 2005 after they signed Perritt,Nims and Hardy alot of people said these guys were going to bring multiple titles to the dome. Lack or recruiting in the areas that need it is a huge problem. Another problem though is it seems there is a lack of disipline on this team. And I know what I'm about to say is going to get my head ripped off but I personally believe it is time for a coaching change. I feel Scott Marr at Syracuse could lead to a few national titles.

[lax-crazy]

In 2005 after they signed Perritt,Nims and Hardy alot of people said these guys were going to bring multiple titles to the dome. Lack or recruiting in the areas that need it is a huge problem. Another problem though is it seems there is a lack of disipline on this team. And I know what I'm about to say is going to get my head ripped off but I personally believe it is time for a coaching change. I feel Scott Marr at Syracuse could lead to a few national titles.

ahahahaha I was going to say that exact same thing about coaching... then I looked at it... then said "these guys are going to rip me a new one" Since desko they have been on a constant down hill. The tallent and legacy that Simmons left caried over to Desko and helped him for a bit. The disipline on the team is actualy sad from what I heard from a few players on the team. I Pat perritt was underage drinking in a bar they always go to and then ran from the cops. Then McGonagle broke some kids nose in a frat fight and was charged with assult. I heard from a few stars on the team that they go into a bar, the bar owner leaves them the key basicaly and tells them to close the shop when they leave. I love S.U but they are stuck in the glory days.

[laxer6]

Im glad to see someone else agrees with me that it's time for a change. I was drawn into this group because of the name,it's totally right. UNC was a team that got cocky with bringing in kids and let their players have huge freedoms. We talk about a quarterfinal game being a good year for them but we forget this is a team that year in and out competed for a national title. How long is it going to be before we sitting on message boards saying "Well 'Cuse went 10-6 and they were only 2 goals away from the quarterfinals." Im not a Syracuse fan but we need to realized that 'Cuse isn't just going to get magically better.

[kleinlax-75]

they will do better it was a rebuilding year anyways last year

[duck]

they will do better it was a rebuilding year anyways last year

Their rebuilding year should've been when they lost Mikey after the 04 season. After a full two season since then, they really should've had a far better 07. Besides, what did they rebuild. Their season last year looked more like a collapse. And I'm with those of you who think a coaching change might be in order. They could probably use something like that as a wake up call and a general attitude change. Desko's success came largely from having incredible players and letting them do their thing. Now, he's not getting those same players and it's showing. He got an amazing program handed to him and kept it going for a while but now it's falling apart and he can't rebuild it, since he didn't build it in the first place.

[lax-crazy]

Their rebuilding year should've been when they lost Mikey after the 04 season. After a full two season since then, they really should've had a far better 07. Besides, what did they rebuild. Their season last year looked more like a collapse. And I'm with those of you who think a coaching change might be in order. They could probably use something like that as a wake up call and a general attitude change. Desko's success came largely from having incredible players and letting them do their thing. Now, he's not getting those same players and it's showing. He got an amazing program handed to him and kept it going for a while but now it's falling apart and he can't rebuild it, since he didn't build it in the first place.
exactly. There rebuilding was requiting Dan hardy, pat perritt and whoever else they grabbed. Things just haven't been clicking of having team chemistry, or disipline. If Cody Jameson and Sid Smith do play, and the team does get there @#$% together then yea, they could be a good team. I mean UVA had a bad year when Matt Ward was a sophmore, the next year they bounced back to final four and were a serious contender. I'm not saying it will happen, I am saying that having a season that's a major let down is also a major wake up call. I said it before this is the year to see what S.U is really made out of. If they can bounce back after that season.

[Laxplaya6918]

Syracuse will go all the way.





Syracuse has no chance of winning it all this year, they have slowly been declining and now they compare nothing to top teams like hopkins and duke.

[laxer6]

I honestly don't expect 'Cuse to do much better this year. Galloway is going to take over in goal prob 4-5 games in, but than what? Sure they have a good offense and I also think Hardy and Nims are going to have big years but that doesn't change the fact that their defense is horrible. Panerelli was their best defenseman and he's now a member of the Chicago Machine. A good offense is what it's worth anymore with teams like Duke and Virginia having these great offensive teams but also having a fantastic defense. With all H.S. seniors and most juniors commited Syracuse is going to have to focus on bringing in 2 blue chip defenseman that won't even graduate high school until 2010 and keeping up with the rest of the college world. I don't think the decline of Syracuse is going to end soon.

[lax-crazy]

The attempts to make there deffence better was attempted last year when they brought in Junior bucktooth and Sid smith. Bucktooth quit for some reason and Sid never went. Sid is playing this year and that will help a ton. Or should at least help a little. 'Cuse's goalie situation isn't getting better. Oh well.