View Full Version : Which states use 3-man for High School games?
LaxRef
11-20-2007, 12:24 PM
Please post the following info:
Your state or area.
Whether you use 3-man for none, some, or all regular-season HS games.
Whether you use 3-man for none, some, or all HS playoff games.
(I didn't want to post this as a poll because it's important to make sure we aren't getting a bunch of responses from the same state.)
Minnesota:
Club--2-man for regular season; 3-man for all playoff games
State league--3-man for regular season whenever possible, otherwise 2-man; 3-man for all playoff games.
VT
No three-man games, ever
State Final(s): Two on field and a CBO. Works very well.
MASS:
3-man games in playoffs. State Final(s): 3 on field plus CBO
3rdPersonPlural
11-20-2007, 02:04 PM
CA: 1 or 2 man mechanic for HS games in the Central Coast. I believe that it's the same for the LA area, but let's let Play-On confirm that.
Three man mechanic for most play-off games.
BlueJaysLaxFan
11-20-2007, 03:00 PM
MI
Most regular season varsity games are 2-man. Some are 3-man, especially for tournaments or highly competitive games.
Play-offs are either 2-man or 3-man (quarterfinals are 3 man).
State semifinals and finals are 3-man and CBO.
ChiefsLacrosse1
11-20-2007, 05:53 PM
anybody want to clarify exactly what 2-man and 3-man ball is?:WTF:
EDIT: nvm, i think i got it. 2 refs or 3 refs, and CBO is and _____ bench official?
LaxRef
11-20-2007, 09:07 PM
anybody want to clarify exactly what 2-man and 3-man ball is?:WTF:
EDIT: nvm, i think i got it. 2 refs or 3 refs, and CBO is and _____ bench official?
CBO = Chief Bench Official.
Interestingly, the NCAA eliminated the position years ago, but the NFHS still has it and it sounds like it gets used occasionally in playoffs.
The CBO essentially calls sub infractions, offside, and bench fouls (and probably some illegal procedure stuff), and the CBO grants timeouts and is probably the one to deal with 7-13 challenges and coach-requested equipment checks.
This will need to be addressed in the new mechanics manual.
coaches gal
11-20-2007, 09:27 PM
TX
Regular: 2-man mostly [3-man if requested for highly competitive games and there's enough officials]... rare instances there'll only be 1
State Semi's and Finals - 3-man and a CBO
tjklax01
11-20-2007, 10:12 PM
NY
Regular: Mostly 2-man crews (3-man crews are for games that are highly competitive and for teams that request them) This is for Upstate, I'm not sure about Downstate. I think it's the same, but I'll let Woodenstick confirm this.
Sectional Playoffs: All 3 man crews
State Playoffs: All games are 4 man crews (Referee, Umpire, Field Judge and CBO)
AKA-Bob
11-21-2007, 05:30 AM
NE Ohio,
2-man regular season for JV and below
3-man regular season Varsity and all play offs....
2-man for club and youth.
Woodenstick
11-21-2007, 09:16 AM
NY
Regular: Mostly 2-man crews (3-man crews are for games that are highly competitive and for teams that request them) This is for Upstate, I'm not sure about Downstate. I think it's the same, but I'll let Woodenstick confirm this.
Sectional Playoffs: All 3 man crews
State Playoffs: All games are 4 man crews (Referee, Umpire, Field Judge and CBO)
Same for Westchester, NY area (the area just north of NYC).
lehighvalleylax
11-21-2007, 10:06 AM
Pennsylvania (eastern)-
Varies by area and availability of refs.
In most established lacrosse areas, 3-man for varsity. Some schools request 2-man due to financial reasons.
EPSLA playoffs - all 3-man
NCLAXREF
11-21-2007, 10:51 AM
North Carolina
Mostly 2 man for JV Varsity - Middle School sometimes single ref. Varsity gets 3 if coaches want it and we have enough guys.
Playoffs - Mostly all 3 man.
We play NCAA rules so in the state finals we do not have a CBO but have a box official/alternate.
CardinalPuff
11-21-2007, 06:24 PM
Colorado
most games are 2 man crews for the regular season with the exception of some of the "bigger" games (regular season games at Invesco for example) when 3 man crews are used.....
playoffs are 2 man for the first round games and then 3 man the rest of the way...we'll also put an official (not in full uniform) at the table and in the press box, both in a supervisory capacity....
shrekjr
11-22-2007, 12:30 AM
North Texas
Div. 1 - 3 man always
Div. 2 - 2 man regular season unless 3 man requested, 3 man in all playoffs
North Louisiana
3 man all games
pboyd
11-22-2007, 10:17 AM
Norther Virginia
Public: NFHS 2-man regular season with 3-man in playoffs
Private: NCAA 3-man regular season and playoffs
Shorelax
11-23-2007, 05:59 AM
Maryland
Typically -
Public: NFHS 2-man regular season with 3-man in playoffs
Private: NCAA 3-man regular season and playoffs
MElaxRef
11-24-2007, 05:57 PM
Maine
2-man regular season thru 1st round of playoffs
3-man playoffs, 2nd round thru regional finals (state semis)
3-man plus CBO for state championship games
Chesapeake Ref
11-25-2007, 11:29 AM
Kentucky- high school: 2 man for all games; 3 man for highly competitive and all playoff games.
middle school: 2 if possible for all games, unfortunately some are single. 3 man for playoff finals.
cpete59
11-26-2007, 01:15 PM
ILLINOIS
2-man - Regular Season and Playoffs
3-man - Championship Game, All-Star Game
Moving from NCAA rules to NHFS Rules in 2008. Could be a "recognized" sport by the Illinois High School Association" in 2009, so coaches thought it best to make the transition this year.
massref
11-26-2007, 02:21 PM
Massachusetts
2-man for high school games and initial rounds of the state tournament.
3-man for quarter finals on in state tourney.
laxzeeb
11-27-2007, 07:42 PM
Central/Southern Ohio
3 man for all jv/varsity including playoff. Should be the same for club level in High School. Two man otherwise.
It was my understanding that 3 man was the rule for all of Ohio, varsity and jv, per the Ohio High School Lacrosse Association, though I'm not finding anything on number of officials on the OHSLA website. This is what was explained at our area officials meetings.
nwzebra
11-28-2007, 11:51 AM
Washington State
2 man for all regular season games JV/Varsity
2 man for early rounds of playoffs
3 man for late rounds of playoffs (usually) and for finals (definitely and sometimes with a CBO)
BlueJaysLaxFan
11-28-2007, 12:49 PM
This survey is also telling me that we are spread thin around the country since most of us are stating that we have 2 man for varsity and JV regular season HS games. Ideally these games should have 3 man coverage. What also happens here is college games always have 3 man coverage, which on a busy day means that varsity/jv games have 2 man coverage with those games doubled up, and MS or freshman games have 2 man if they are lucky.
LaxRef
11-28-2007, 01:45 PM
This survey is also telling me that we are spread thin around the country since most of us are stating that we have 2 man for varsity and JV regular season HS games. Ideally these games should have 3 man coverage. What also happens here is college games always have 3 man coverage, which on a busy day means that varsity/jv games have 2 man coverage with those games doubled up, and MS or freshman games have 2 man if they are lucky.
Well, some of it depends on whether the schools are willing to pay for 3 men. Here, they are, but we probably only get about 5-10% of the games with 3 men because we don't have enough guys.
BTW, B-division MCLA games can use 2 men. A-division is supposed have 3 on all games.
Woodenstick
11-28-2007, 02:06 PM
This survey is also telling me that we are spread thin around the country since most of us are stating that we have 2 man for varsity and JV regular season HS games. Ideally these games should have 3 man coverage. What also happens here is college games always have 3 man coverage, which on a busy day means that varsity/jv games have 2 man coverage with those games doubled up, and MS or freshman games have 2 man if they are lucky.
I think many of the posted answers only addressed varsity, and you can't assume that JV has the same coverage. In my NY section, for example, we mostly have 2 man varsity during the regular season, but I probably solo at least 50% of my JV games, and a lot of our middle school games have no referee at all. I am stunned that some places use 3 man for JV. I would think that is a little costly, plus where do you get the referees to do this? Maybe Ohio should ship some referees to NY, we could use them. :-)
BlueJaysLaxFan
11-29-2007, 05:37 AM
Maybe Ohio should ship some referees to NY, we could use them. :-)
Actually Ohio referees come up to Michigan to help with tournaments...maybe they need to start advertising their out of state services :thumbsup:
laxzeeb
11-29-2007, 05:12 PM
The way lacrosse is growing in Ohio we are quite shorthanded.
The way the boys are growing 3 man was insisted upon for the sake of safety.
Have to believe it is the same in many areas. The game moves very fast and there is just so much one can see. Safety issues of course as well.