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eme
12-05-2007, 12:46 PM
Here is a shorthand version of the changes in the 2008 NFHS Rulebook:

1-6-1 Clarifies that a properly equipped goalie must be on the field using the required goalie’s crosse.
1-6-2. Ball stop not required
Page 81 Points of Emphasis. Mouthguards must cover all of EITHER upper or lower teeth.
1-9-1 g/h Jerey rule that was warned for three years now in effect and players’ shorts must match in color.
1-9-1-Sit. A Clarifies that it’s one foul for multiple equipment violations 5-5- Sit. B reinforces this.
1-9-1- Sit. C. Clarifies that illegal cleats is a one minute NR.
1-9-1 Sit. E Clarifies that goal still counts despite an ensuing uniform/equipment violation (not a stick).
1-19-1 Sit. F Adds more clarity as to Velcro attachments on shoulder pads.
1-9-2 Sit. A. Any and all uniform violations are to be corrected prior to the start of the game; if not possible, award ball to opponent to start game and no more uniform violations on either team may be called. 6-5-Art. 3 reinforces this.
2-1 A team must start the game with a minimum of 10 players or forfeit.
3-1-Situation Clarifies when time of quarters may be reduced.
4—3-1 Art.2 More clarity added on refacing when ball goes out of bounds.
4-4-Art.3 A simple comma added to the last sentence that clarifies when a penalized player may re-enter on a FO.
4-6-Art.3 c Clarifies awarding of ball on a shot: plane of the endline/sideline and a player’s body (not stick).
4-23-Art. 4. Clarifies that you can sub on the fly during a stoppage for equipment, blood, but you can’t have a horn.
4-3-Sit. L Clarifies that it’s a “Playon” for line violations on a FO.
4-10 I/J Clarfies the question about offsides or not when teams are subbing.
4-12 Sit. B Cleans up a lot of the past rulebook confusion about restart location on an offsides. Notice 6-8 the sentence about “Penalty” was deleted.
4-14-Sit. B and 4-15-Sit. A. Counts at both ends of the field restarted after playons.
4-15-Sit. B Clarifies 10-sec. count even if ball picked up in defensive half.
4-20-Sit. H Clarifies that goalie 4-sec. count may restart but original 20-sec. count continues.
4-22-Sit. B Tells of mechanic to use when, after a beeper has gone off, a team does not have proper number of players on the field: technical foul and adjudicate before the restart.
4-27-Sit. B. Clarifies procedure when a field player (not goalie) breaks his crosse and continues to play.
4-28-Sit. C Clarifies that it’s a technical foul when Coach requests a TO when he has none left.
5-11 Taunting moved from USC section to Ejection section.
5-4-Sit. B Multiple stick violations: assess the worst one only.
5-4-Sit. E Stipulates that if an illegal crosse takes a goal off the board, then a penalized player must return to serve remainder of penalty time.
6-10-Art. 2 and 6-10-Sit. L clarifies that stall warning still on even after a TO or adjudication of a penalty (if other team didn’t stop the slow whistle with a possession).
6-4 Sit. A. Clarifies that contact must be made for illegal offensive screening to occur.
6-5-Sit. K Explicit directives for what a player must do when his crosse breaks.
7-2-Sit. A and 7-13-Sit. B Tidies up the language about an illegal entry prior to a goal…removes the mandate for a double horn, etc.

Lax Fan26
12-05-2007, 02:11 PM
eme & LR,

Thanks to you and your cohorts who have gone a long way to clean up the shortcomings in this NFHS book. That is a huge service to the game, coaches, and the reffing community.

lehighvalleylax
12-06-2007, 09:20 AM
What a great list. Can't wait to read the specifics and exact wordings. Seems to clear alot of things up.

Wondering? Taunting moved to ejection from USC? Is taunting an immediate ejection now? "Taunting" itself might need a more definitive definition. I have seen varying degrees of taunting. SOme might have warranted ejection but some did not. Thoughts?

eme
12-06-2007, 10:13 AM
I know in the NFHS soccer rulebook, the exact same language exists for taunting as in the lax rulebook. It is an ejection (red card). So I am assuming this is universal in all the NFHS rulebooks.

"...intended or designed to embarrass, ridicule or demean others under any circumstances INCLUDING (my emphasis) on the basis of race, religion, gender or national origin."

I would hazard a guess that "You guys are awful!" warrants a USC but
"You guys are awful, you lowly Buddhists from Lehigh Valley" warrants an ejection.

Woodenstick
12-06-2007, 11:05 AM
1, Agree this is a great clean-up, thanks for all of your work.

2. Personally, I would prefer to have some flexiblity on taunting, as there is a real range here, some of which warrants ejection and some is just minor/ stupid. If taunting = USC, you have that flexibility. If taunting = either USC or ejection, you still have flexibility. If taunting is ALWAYS ejection, you don't.

Ex. a player does a stupid dance after a goal, this is a mandatory ejection? If so, less taunting fouls will be called, and more taunting will go unpunished, which is probably contrary to the intent of the change.

LaxRef
12-06-2007, 12:21 PM
1, Agree this is a great clean-up, thanks for all of your work.

2. Personally, I would prefer to have some flexiblity on taunting, as there is a real range here, some of which warrants ejection and some is just minor/ stupid. If taunting = USC, you have that flexibility. If taunting = either USC or ejection, you still have flexibility. If taunting is ALWAYS ejection, you don't.

Ex. a player does a stupid dance after a goal, this is a mandatory ejection? If so, less taunting fouls will be called, and more taunting will go unpunished, which is probably contrary to the intent of the change.

Guys, I think we're reading too much into this: USCs and ejections will still be judgment calls.

eme
12-06-2007, 12:33 PM
Calling an USC NR has a lot of teeth in it as well since on the second one you are ejected.

TXD2LAX
12-06-2007, 04:07 PM
"You guys are awful, you lowly Buddhists from Lehigh Valley" warrants an ejection.

Hey, don't call me lowly.

avo
12-07-2007, 10:46 AM
1) Agree this is a great clean-up.

2) With regards to taunting, note that 9.1.c under unsportsmanlike conduct is 'Bait or call undue attention to oneself, or any other act considered unsportsmanlike by officials'. This would seem to cover the celebration dance and also give us some interpretation leeway on other acts.

3) 1-19-1 Sit F may provide more detail on shoulder pads - unfortunately I rarely see a display of manufacture's packaging at game sites.......

4) In the name of player safety, next year I would like to see an attempt to define an armpad.

BlueJaysLaxFan
12-08-2007, 09:51 AM
I finally had a chance to review this in detail, and all I can say is WOW! After the last few years of what seemed to be slow progression on necessary rule clarifications and changes, it amazes me to see how all of these changes happened in one year! Many of these changes were certainly a result of our discussions on this board, and great credit goes to eme and LR for providing the catalyst and manpower to go through the bureaucracy of getting these put in front of the rules committee. I look forward to the codified wording in the new NFHS book.

theCanadian
12-18-2007, 08:57 PM
A.R. 16. The mesh weaving of a crosse must be of one color. Any attempt to mislead an opponent, such as painting a ball, etc., into the weaving is illegal. RULING: Unsportsmanlike conduct, three-minute nonreleasable penalty.

that is hilarous.

nwzebra
12-19-2007, 10:20 AM
A.R. 16. The mesh weaving of a crosse must be of one color. Any attempt to mislead an opponent, such as painting a ball, etc., into the weaving is illegal. RULING: Unsportsmanlike conduct, three-minute nonreleasable penalty.

that is hilarous.

Slight problem, Canadian. This is a NCAA rule, not NFHS. The use of AR gave it away. I believe the mesh in high school, that is those playing under NFHS rules, can still be multi-colored, unless that change wasn't listed above.

nwzebra
12-19-2007, 10:24 AM
You forgot those all-important Points of Emphasis:

Points of Emphasis

Mouthguards
Flagrant Misconduct
NFHS Authenticating Mark on Game Balls
Modification of Rules

massref
12-20-2007, 05:46 PM
Does anyone but me call mouth guard violation?

eme
12-20-2007, 07:57 PM
Is the mouthguard stuck in the top of his helmet, in his sock, etc=violation
Did it become merely loose as the result of play= no violation
Does he run around with it fishooked after you have warned him once to get it in?=violation

Best to do all this early in the game.

pboyd
12-23-2007, 09:34 AM
Upon review, I submitted 16 suggested changes and NFHS incorporated 12 almost verbatim and 1 with a slightly different wording but same intent. What didn't they accept?
#1. For the 3rd year in a row they rejected my suggestion to delete the last sentence in 4-30-1.b which states "No penalty is incurred by a second or subsequent requests during a charged timeout or between periods." which allows the head coach to request multipl stick checks without penalty. NCAA deleted this "loop hole" 3 yrs ago.

#2. Update Situation 4.14.A (and relocate it from 4.12 to 4.14 section) - inconsistency with NCAA regarding counts - in 2007 this indicated that "On any restart, ball location determines the count to be used...." - this is inconsistent with NCAA and is now even more worse since they added 4.15.B which clearly contradicts 4.14.A on page 45 of 2008 NFHS Rules.

eme
12-23-2007, 11:10 AM
Pboyd, I am not seeing your umbrage at the inconsistency between NFHS 4.14 A and 4.15 B on page 45. True, 4.14 A in NFHS is not consistent with NCAA rules because in NCAA you can't call a TO back there during live play. And with the new NCAA counts (start count when ball exits attack area and hits ground/player), 4.15.B from NFHS is indeed slightly different from NCAA.

But the inconsistency between 4.1.4 A and 4.15B in NFHS? Both situations are talking about different scenarios.

pboyd
12-23-2007, 12:17 PM
eme,
Let me try again...
4.14.A makes the statement that "On a restart, ball position determines the count to be used" further stating that you get a full 20-sec for a restart in the defensive end.
4.15.B indicates that when Team A regains possession in the defensive end - a 10-sec count starts for Team A since they previously had possesssion in the goal area.
In the 4.15.B situation- If Team A calls a timeout with 2 secs left on the 10-sec count and the ball is still in the defensive end - does the play following the timeout start with a 10-sec or 20-sec count?

eme
12-23-2007, 03:48 PM
You are confusing a restart of play (a whistle) with a restart of a count (after a play-on).

If they are smart enough to call a TO when 2 secs. left on a 10-sec. count
and they are in the defensive end, then, yes, they get a 20 when play restarts.

pboyd
12-24-2007, 08:14 AM
I don't think that I'm confusing a "count" restart (dead ball) and a "count" restart (live ball) but I am "merging" the two situations to demonstrate a point. I think we both agree that if an attacking team (Team A) has posssession in its attack/goal area (NCAA/NFHS) and the ball becomes loose, then is kicked out of the attack/goal area and Team A regains possession in the defensive end - a restart of the 10-sec count applies for both NCAA and NFHS. The only differences are that (1) the NFHS 10-sec count doesn't start until Team A gains possession, and (2) in the event of a subsequent timeout (NFHS only in defensive end) or whistle [Officials TO (injury, lose equipment in scrimmage area, broken goalie stick), or ball caught in player's uniform or equipment] stopping play - Team A (under NFHS Rules) would get a new 20-sec count because on any restart "ball location determines the count to be used (NFHS 4.14.A)" and NCAA would always get a 10-sec count.

PlayOn
12-24-2007, 09:12 AM
Does anyone but me call mouth guard violation?

I call it. I usually get 1 about 50% of the games I work.