Goal Scored Quiz

[eme]

A1 takes a shot. When the ball is within 5 yards of A2, B1 legally bodychecks A2 into the goalkeeper. Ball enters goal. Goal is good?

[CardinalPuff]

assuming the goalkeeper is within the crease, no goal...if outside, count it...

[3rdPersonPlural]

A ball in flight is inly considered in possession if it is a pass. A shot therefore is a loose ball. A legal check within 5 yards of a loose ball is acceptable, and checking into the crease is also acceptable.

A2 was in the crease and interfering with the keeper when the goal was scored, so NO GOAL

Who gets the ball, and where?

[pboyd]

Concur with 3PP - award ball to Team B in the alley on the GLE.

[hymie]

A2 was in the crease and interfering with the keeper when the goal was scored, so NO GOAL

Does the ball automatically go dead whenever a loose ball enters the goal?

(Assuming the goalkeeper was in the crease at the time,) it seems that rule 4-9-h could apply. The goal is disallowed, but I haven't (yet) found any reference that the ball automatically goes dead, nor does rule 7-10 specify that a play-on ends when the ball enters the goal. The goalie could regain posession of the (presumably) live ball, the play-on ends, and the game continues with the goalie in posession in the crease.

[MElaxRef]

Originally posted by hymie
I haven't (yet) found any reference that the ball automatically goes dead, nor does rule 7-10 specify that a play-on ends when the ball enters the goal.
Interesting point. A goal is defined as a loose ball breaking the plane of the goal; however, in this situation, the foul against Team A wipes out the goal. So, IMHO, you should [1] sound the whistle to recognize that the ball has broken the plane, [2] signal 'no goal' to recognize the violation, [3] signal 'interference' to identify the violation and [4] get the ball to the alley for a quick restart.

[3rdPersonPlural]

Welcome to TLF, Hymie!

Now, since the foul happened before the ball crossed the plane of the cage, there was no goal. It's merely a loose ball in the crease. However, since the goalie will have to fish the ball out and there will be mass confusion if you call 'play on' because of the loose ball crease infraction rather than blowing a whistle, I suppose that the proper mechanic is to whistle the ball dead and get a restart in the alley.

[Woodenstick]

It seems to me that w/ a loose ball technical you have a play on as hymie and 3pp stated, but once the ball enters the goal, the offended team clearly has been disadvantaged, so the whistle is blown to end the play on. The goalie cannot fish the ball out of the net at this point. So restart in the alley.

I would think that this would happen so fast that there is no need to call play on, just blow the whistle etc as Melax stated. Play cannot continue once the ball is in the net, either there is a goal or a penalty negating the goal; there cannot be a play on since the offended team cannot not benefit from the continuation of play, which would be a goal.

[PlayOn]

Assuming the goalie is in the crease

If the ball crosses the plane before a2 is pushed in: Goal

If the ball has not broken the plane then it's Goalie Interference, restart in the lane. If he does not make contact with the goalie and he's pushed in to the crease it's a crease violation and D gets possession in the wing. No Goal.

If the goalie is not in the crease when contact is made then it is a goal regardless.

While answering this question I learned that goalie interference is only a free clear from the center the the goalie has possession, and of course after a play-on. If the goalie does not have the ball it's a restart in the wing. Good to know

Furthermore if a goalie screams at you for not calling interference due to the play on mechanic he gets a 1 min personal foul and offense regains with possession at the center although i could be wrong about that restart position.

[hymie]

Furthermore if a goalie screams at you for not calling interference due to the play on mechanic he gets a 1 min personal foul and offense regains with possession at the center although i could be wrong about that restart position.

Question (not a quiz, a question)

Goalie in crease with posession is interfered. Ref signals play-on. Goalie turns around and throws ball into goal.

6-3-c gives the ball to the defense at the midfield line.

Now ... maybe I'm just being overly nit-picky, but 4-9-h disallows a goal when there is "a play-on for a foul by the scoring team." As far as I can tell, the phrase "scoring team" is not specifically defined. Is it the team gets the point -- in which case 4-9-h applies -- or is the "scoring team" the team that causes a score to happen -- in which case 4-9-h might not apply, and the goal counts.

Or might you even consider it borderline unsportsmanlike?

Thanks.

[LaxRef]

Question (not a quiz, a question)

Goalie in crease with posession is interfered. Ref signals play-on. Goalie turns around and throws ball into goal.

6-3-c gives the ball to the defense at the midfield line.

Now ... maybe I'm just being overly nit-picky, but 4-9-h disallows a goal when there is "a play-on for a foul by the scoring team." As far as I can tell, the phrase "scoring team" is not specifically defined. Is it the team gets the point -- in which case 4-9-h applies -- or is the "scoring team" the team that causes a score to happen -- in which case 4-9-h might not apply, and the goal counts.

Or might you even consider it borderline unsportsmanlike?

Thanks.

The scoring team is the team that is awarded the goal, not the team that puts the ball in the net. I wrote that rule, and I realize now that the wording causes some confusion occasionally, but that's certainly what it means.

As eme likes to say, when there's a play-on, the worst thing that can happen to the offended team is to get awarded the ball with a clean restart. Having a goal scored against them is worse than that. (Of course, worse things can happen after the play-on ends, or if the offended team commits a personal foul, but it's still a good guideline.)

[massref]

A1 takes a shot. When the ball is within 5 yards of A2, B1 legally bodychecks A2 into the goalkeeper. Ball enters goal. Goal is good?

This might happen but in realty who can shoot a ball that slowly?? :roll:

[hymie]

Or might you even consider it borderline unsportsmanlike?

This line made a lot more sense in my head than on the screen.

What I was thinking was, could a case be made that the offended goalie, wanting the free clear instead of the play-on, committed unsportsmanlike conduct by intentionally and specifically creating a dead-ball situation?

I mention this mostly because I'm not crazy about the new(ish) policy that almost every foul is either a play-on or a slow-whistle.

The scoring team is the team that is awarded the goal, not the team that puts the ball in the net. I wrote that rule, and I realize now that the wording causes some confusion occasionally, but that's certainly what it means.

It may only cause confusion in people like me who are looking at each rule word for word for the hidden meanings. (In my defense, I like to play board games, and there are situations where a benefit is given to the player who causes somebody to score, regardless of whether he himself scores.)

Thanks.

[playwithpride14]

Does the ball automatically go dead whenever a loose ball enters the goal?

You can still fight for a ground ball even if it is in the crease, your feet just can't step in and if the goalie picks up the ball and does not leave the crease, you can't check the ball from his stick

[LaxRef]

You can still fight for a ground ball even if it is in the crease, your feet just can't step in and if the goalie picks up the ball and does not leave the crease, you can't check the ball from his stick

An attacker can reach into the crease to play a loose ball but cannot "fight" for it: any contact with the GK or his crosse when inside the crease cylinder will be interference unless initiated by the GK.

[Sour]

An attacker can reach into the crease to play a loose ball but cannot "fight" for it: any contact with the GK or his crosse when inside the crease cylinder will be interference unless initiated by the GK.

What if the attacker is "fighting" with a defender (not GK)?

For example
1. A1 (GK) on clear is legally body checked to ground, in the act of throwing a pass B1 intercepts and feeds B2 who fluffs his shot and drops the ball in crease. A2 and B2 scrap for ball stick on stick (with B2 remaining outside crease)

or

2. A1 has ball behind goal, attempts to feed crease man A2, knocked down into crease behind goal...situation contines as above

[LaxRef]

What if the attacker is "fighting" with a defender (not GK)?

For example
1. A1 (GK) on clear is legally body checked to ground, in the act of throwing a pass B1 intercepts and feeds B2 who fluffs his shot and drops the ball in crease. A2 and B2 scrap for ball stick on stick (with B2 remaining outside crease)

or

2. A1 has ball behind goal, attempts to feed crease man A2, knocked down into crease behind goal...situation contines as above

Then it's legal. But it is inaccurate to say that it is legal to fight for a loose ball in the crease since there are times when it is not.

[cavslax12]

assuming the goalkeeper is within the crease, no goal...if outside, count it...

i Agree with this.

[wolfenburg]

Well lets say it was a pass to A2 who was cheked by B1 into the goalie, so A2 can't catch the ball....

But what happens if it is the other way round, so A2 checks B2 leagely into goalie BG
(loose ball is roling towards the goal, A2 checks B2, B2 makes vontackt with the goalkeeper , the ball keeps on roling into the goal?

[LaxRef]

Well lets say it was a pass to A2 who was cheked by B1 into the goalie, so A2 can't catch the ball....

But what happens if it is the other way round, so A2 checks B2 leagely into goalie BG
(loose ball is roling towards the goal, A2 checks B2, B2 makes vontackt with the goalkeeper , the ball keeps on roling into the goal?

So, A2 and B2 are within 5 yards of a loose ball when A2 legally checks B2 into the goalie. Ball enters goal. Right?

Legal play, goal is good, assuming there are no other fouls on the play.