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Cburylax
02-09-2008, 03:44 AM
I've seen a few posts on this I thought it would be beneficial to discuss plometrics and talk about what they are, why to do them, and what the strength requirements are if any.

What are Plyometrics?
Plyometrics is a type of exercise training designed to produce fast, powerful movements, and improve the functions of the nervous system, generally for the purposes of improving performance in a specific sport. Plyometric movements use the strength, elasticity and innervation of muscle and surrounding tissues to jump higher, throw farther or hit harder, depending on the desired training goal.
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plyometrics

There are some hard opinions on the matter on TLF and I see a lot of questions so I'd like to open up this discussion.

Everyone has heard of plyometrics and everyone has done them at some point in their life. If you've done a jumping jack or played hop-scotch at the playground...you've done them.

As far as training goes, implementing plyometrics can be a great way to increase power in your movements, however I'd like to discuss the "pre-requisites" for plyometrics. Can anyone do plyometrics? Do I need to be able to squat my bodyweight 10 times? Or just be able to squat twice my bodyweight? Here are some point of views:

Christopher W. Yap, CSCS says:
THE ADOLESCENT POPULATION is more anatomically susceptible to injuries from high-intensity plyometric exercises than are adults because of skeletal immaturity and open epiphyseal plates. The epiphyseal complex is involved in about 10% of all fractures in this population, and these are often related to athletic activity. This injury commonly occurs near major joints of the limbs, especially the knee, ankle, elbow, and wrist. Another injury frequently suffered by adolescents (especially girls) is chondromalacia patellae; this is the softening of the articular cartilage due to excessive and uneven pressure on the knee joint. Caused by structural changes in the legs with rapid growth and by muscle imbalance around the knees, both the Q-angle and the tendency of the patella to dislocate with knee flexion are increased.

Because of the higher-than-normal forces put on the musculoskeletal system during plyometric exercises, an athlete is required to have a good, solid base of general strength and endurance. It has been suggested that an athlete have a squat capacity of close to twice their body weight before attempting high-intensity or shock-level plyometrics. Adolescents do not possess this strength base; they also lack the reactive movements and split-second decision-making capabilities required to attempt moderate to high-level plyometrics. We should consider the adolescents' training age and not their chronological age defore deciding when to start a plyometric program. In my opinion, adolescents should only be allowed to attempt the so-called playground drills, such as skipping, hopping, and 2-legged bounding until they have physically and mentally matured.

Source: POINT/COUNTERPOINT: Are Plyometrics Safe For Children? Strength and Conditioning Journal: Vol. 22, No. 3, pp. 45–46.

Here is another view on the exact same question from Avery Faigenbaum, perhaps one of the most well known researches in youth strength training:

Avery D. Faigenbaum, EdD, CSCS says:
ALTHOUGH A GROWING BODY of evidence indicates that children can safely train with weights, provided that the program is well-designed and appropriately supervised, there is concern among some professionals that plyometrics are inappropriate for children because of the stresses such programs place on immature musculoskeletal systems. However, plyometrics are a natural part of most movements, as evidenced by the jumping, hopping, and skipping movements typically seen on any school playground. In fact, walking can even be characterized as a plyometric exercise because every time the foot hits the ground, the quadriceps go through a stretching–shortening cycle.

As part of a conditioning program, children can safety perform plyometric exercises, provided age-specific guidelines are followed. The program can be initiated with 1 set of 5 to 10 repetitions of low-intensity drills, such as squat jumps and medicine ball chest passes performed twice per week. Depending upon individual needs and goals, the program can progress to multiple jumps, hops, and throws. Plyometric exercises characterized as medium or high intensity should be reserved for children who have a solid strength base and who are ready for this level of training. Plyometric exercises should not simply be added onto a child's exercise routine, but rather incorporated into a well-rounded conditioning program that includes aerobic, strength and flexibility exercises.

In my view, the contention that plyometrics are unsafe for children is not consistent with the needs of children or their physical abilities. The magnitude and duration of forces that children are exposed to in sport activities are likely to be greater than in properly performed plyometric exercises. Thus, if the goals of conditioning for young athletes are to enhance sports performance and to increase their resistance to injury, it seems prudent to incorporate plyometric training into a periodized conditioning program. Although additional study is warranted, a sensible introduction to plyometric training (i.e., one of low intensity and low volume) with monitoring of individual stress tolerances appears to be a safe and worthwhile method of conditioning for children.

Source: POINT/COUNTERPOINT: Are Plyometrics Safe For Children? Strength and Conditioning Journal: Vol. 22, No. 3, pp. 45–45.


So which is it? It seems there isn't a straight answer but I will offer my insight on this. Understand the exercise, learn how to properly land, and have a good strength base to handle your bodyweight. Slowly incorporate plyometrics into your strength program and increase intensity over time.

The floor's open.....

HeadHeartHustle
02-09-2008, 08:57 AM
hmmm thats interesting.

i know a good friend of mine has been doing plyos for about a year, but he is really powerful.

I know im no where near attempting plyos.

good info, nice sources, too.

Lax4life528
02-09-2008, 09:35 AM
^^Sticky for anyone asking about plyos

I'd like to see liquid mercury's take on this.

LiquidMercury16
02-09-2008, 10:53 AM
I'm glad you wrote this up cb. My line of thought supports both of those viewpoints. Both those views really go hand in hand and say that a true plyometric program that is very intensive in volume/power should not be done by youth. I personally believe that most high schoolers do not have the strength required for plyos. It's not the actual muscular strength that I speak of. It is the tendon/ligament strength. When you can lift more weight your body has stronger tendons/ligaments to help balance the weight. That's why I feel as though high schoolers shouldn't be doing heavy duty plyos.

As a youngster, your body is more susceptible to injury which is described in that first view. Add on top of the fact that we play a rough sport where injury is often, and plyos risk need not be added on top of that in my opinion. Are low-volume/intensity plyos okay? Most likely. You probably aren't going to injure yourself just doing medicine ball work. But then at the same time you have to ask yourself...could my time be better spent? If you're not doing an intensive plyos routine, does one of low intensity still have the same payoff's? My gut feeling says no. More research needs to be done on that but in my opinion your time could be better spent doing other things, i.e. speed/agility training.

So there are my opinions on it. I have specific weight criteria I use to determine if someone is ready for plyos. Most people on here don't meet them. I've done plyos, found them to be great, but as I've said before, for high schoolers I believe they are an unnecessary risk. Some of you juniors/seniors might be qualified to do them. So don't come askin me for plyos workouts, I won't give them to you most likely, and most likely you will here my rant again.

vision
02-10-2008, 10:16 AM
There are different levels of plyometrics.

Of course depth jumps aren't a good idea for younger (weaker) kids, but stuff like sprinting, skipping, low box jumps, etc. are all fine.

EDIT: read article after posting....already been covered

d25
02-10-2008, 04:28 PM
I think the general point is that you will not recieve the full benefits that plyos have to offer without muscular development. Everyone's body is different. I started doing plyos in my freshman year and found them to be helpful. Most trainers will be able to tell you whether or not you're ready.

What do you think about the "pre-requisites" for olympic lifting? I for one have found that the benefits from olympic variations to be much more rewarding than those of plyometrics. How strong, exprienced, explosive, etc., should a person be before they start these exercises.

LiquidMercury16
02-10-2008, 04:52 PM
A person needs to have a solid foundation for olympic lifts much like they need for plyos. That being said the key to olympic lifts is learning proper form. Much more so then any other type of lifting, olympic lifting must be performed with great technique otherwise it's a sure way to injure yourself. I personally love it even though I'm not terribly great at it.

ConanLax
02-10-2008, 07:15 PM
so what exactly are the prerequisites for plyos?

MaKiMaKi13
02-10-2008, 07:39 PM
so what exactly are the prerequisites for plyos?

read the quoted stuff thats underlined that cbury posted

ConanLax
02-10-2008, 07:44 PM
I did, I'm talking about are there any HARD numbers that we can use to base off of whether we are strong enough for plyos or not. I guess what I am asking is, LM, what are your opinions on how strong you should be.


And are squats the only thing that we should be considering? What other lifts should we consider, and how high should they be. (Dead lift, Bench, Military Press, Calf Raises/Leg press, Etc)

Thats what I meant to ask instead of my earlier post which was more broad.

MaKiMaKi13
02-10-2008, 08:10 PM
I did, I'm talking about are there any HARD numbers that we can use to base off of whether we are strong enough for plyos or not. I guess what I am asking is, LM, what are your opinions on how strong you should be.


And are squats the only thing that we should be considering? What other lifts should we consider, and how high should they be. (Dead lift, Bench, Military Press, Calf Raises/Leg press, Etc)

Thats what I meant to ask instead of my earlier post which was more broad.

Guess people will only believe what LM says these days Lol


Before I start any of my clients they will be able to squat 1.5-2 times your bodyweight, power clean your bodyweight 5 reps, deadlift 2X bodyweight, Highpull
1.5X your bodyweight. Doing plyos in untrained (anyone who isn't able to do said requirements) allows for a greater chance of injury due to tendons and ligaments not being strong enough.

LiquidMercury16
02-10-2008, 08:24 PM
Lol thanks for quoting me Maki. There are other knowledgeable people no here I just have way too much time on my hands while at work and post often so I think that's why I get a bit more notice.

Cburylax
02-10-2008, 09:16 PM
Here is a little more info on the subject. I have access to these articles through my membership and certification of the NSCA:

doi: 10.1519/1533-4295(2003)025<0053:LFEOPT>2.0.CO;2
Strength and Conditioning Journal: Vol. 25, No. 6, pp. 53–54.

Learning From Each Other: Plyometric Training
Allen Hedrick, MA, CSCS, *D


Head Strength and Conditioning Coach, United States Air Force Academy



“DESCRIBE YOUR FEELINGS ON plyometric training, how you implement plyometric training programs, and what your teaching and progression process is.”

I feel that plyometric training can be an important component of our athletes' overall development, and I consider it to be “the icing on the cake.” Having said that, I obviously feel one must build “the cake” first. It is comprised of the prerequisites of plyometric training: sufficient relative strength and proprioceptive balance.

During the last 20 years in the Soviet/Eastern European literature, minimum lower-body strength levels were often suggested to be 2.0 × body weight in the squat, and here in the U.S. literature, as 1.5 × body weight. Does this mean you cannot or should not do any plyometric activities with your athletes until they have reached those levels? No, because those minimums were suggested before one utilized high-intensity foot contacts (such as depth jumps from heights of 30–48 in.) for more than low-volume training.

I do think that they give us a quantified idea of the strength requirements of higher levels and volumes of plyometric training and a realization that coaches should not subject their athletes to high-intensity plyometrics until they have established a relative base of strength. If your athletes have low strength levels, it is appropriate to only use plyometric training that is of low intensity as well. The volume of training must likewise be started low and gradually increased. As the athletes' strength increases over time, so too can the intensity and volume of their plyometric training.

This is what I meant by “sufficient relative strength,” but what about “proprioceptive balance”? I define that term as possessing unilaterally equal strength, full range of motion, and the conscious knowledge of the position in space relative to the ground and each other of all body segments. In a more applied sense, can they absorb and produce force equally in both legs and contact the ground at angles appropriate for the exercise? With many of our athletes coming under our direction after having already sustained a major injury in their athletic career, this becomes an extremely important component.

Plyometric exercises train the rapid recruitment of muscle fibers and the ability to overcome inertia, prime considerations in training for any power/speed sport. I like to incorporate them into our resistance programs in any way that I can (individual exercises, complex training), as well as utilizing them in our speed/agility/jump training sessions.

My teaching progression begins with learning to absorb force and decelerate properly, combined with exercises of a generally horizontal nature. This is followed by exercises with a greater and greater vertical component. It is extremely important for a coach to gauge at what level their athletes are and to not advance them too quickly. As the intensity of your plyometric activities increases to upper levels, the volume can no longer increase and should be reduced. Observation of and feedback from your athletes with regard to overuse symptoms and injuries is a critical factor in training at the highest levels.

We can infer that that not all plyometrics are the same, and that varying strength levels are required for the more intense version. Should you keep from doing plyometrics because you can only squat your bodyweight? Definitely not. Should you be doing depth jumps into a split lunge holding a 10lb medicine ball off a 30in plyo box...probably not.
But can you do alternating one legged hops with a stick over a mini hurdle? Sure.

ConanLax
02-10-2008, 09:22 PM
Well its not that I just believe LM, its that the stuff hes told me/ workouts hes given me has made me A LOT stronger.

Cbury great post, but when they say 1.5x your body weight in squat, do they mean a max of that much, or reps? Also as stated before, is that the only lift I should be considering

LiquidMercury16
02-10-2008, 09:34 PM
Conan, they mean a max for 1.5x squat. As far as other lifts, like I said above, I look at power cleans, high pulls, and deadlifts as well. Others may view other exercises or less to be acceptable. Glad to know that you're getting stronger too. Keep up the hard work.

Cburylax
02-10-2008, 09:44 PM
Cbury great post, but when they say 1.5x your body weight in squat, do they mean a max of that much, or reps? Also as stated before, is that the only lift I should be considering

Given that there isn't a firm answer, I'd say 1 rep, the more the merrier. The squat is one of the most basic exercises that can give an indication of total body strength, I dont' know of any other movement that doesn't involve machines that can give us a good indication of total body strength that beats the squat.

Edit: I lied...the clean comes close there.