steenhuis's mesh

[Bretmac]

http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/3742/steenhuisvsroughnecksim9.th.jpg (http://img216.imageshack.us/my.php?image=steenhuisvsroughnecksim9.jpg)

its dyed to colours isnt that illegal...
edit the pic is really small i got it off of nll.com so you guys can get a better pic of it there

[Canadian Lax]

not sure...but hey if it works and they arent calling it, why not??

and ive noticed alot more players are using those RBK shafts this season aswell.

[ChiefsLacrosse1]

I know the guy who dyes them. He used to be my old coach, but dropped it to pick up a stringing business called "BlueCollar Lacrosse". He does decent jobs, and apparently has done like 75% of the nighthawks.

As the for the legality, i have no idea. I always thought you werent allowed to have multi-coloured mesh cause you could dye a white spot to look like the ball. Whatever though, i guess as long as he hasnt gotten called yet.

[Canadian Lax]

is there a website link to bluecollar lacrosse??? i'd like to check it out.

[Bretmac]

i know shooter has some to its jsut not in his stick i always thought it was illegal maybe different rules im not 100% on the rules maybe its just an nll thing... is he rocking a phantom

[bellies_lax_17]

Well, up here in BC, there are a few lacrosse/sport shops that have color fade meshes : red to blue, blue to yellow etc. We aren't as stringent about rules up here in Canada, so maybe they let it slide.

[njone42]

thats cool, i winder wear you get it

[slinkyspine]

Its probably dyed.

And in the NLL they respect enough and the refs won't call that.


If he dyed a white circle then maybe

[stealthfan37]

why would they POSSIBLY care if the mesh was died...in the nhl do they care what color tape you use? seems to have the same kind of advantage

[PCO6]

From the 2008 NLL Rule Book ...

Rule 33.3 STICK COLOR - The lacrosse stick shall be white or uniformly conform to the specific team colors or meet sponsorship requirements as specifed by the NLL.

Rule 33.4 POCKET COLOR - The color of the pocket shall remain consistent with the color issued by the manufacturer or sponsor of the stick and approved by the NLL. Pockets shall not be painted in an attempt to disguise the ball from the opposing team.

Conventional thinking has generally been that the best way to disguise the ball would be to use a white head and white mesh.

[OldPtboBoy]

I'm sure Mark checked with someone before he played with it. BTW nice Dawson footer. Hell of a player and a nice guy.

[Bretmac]

I'm sure Mark checked with someone before he played with it. BTW nice Dawson footer. Hell of a player and a nice guy.

yeah hes really nice not many players would stick around and have a 2hour shoot... he diid it twice to i also met alot of other guys through him like brodie and cosmo and milller

[redbirds07]

yeah the blue collar lax guys have strung up a bunch of the boys sticks and a couple others use their mesh just strung it their selves.. the mesh and strings are all high quality the thought they put into it is pretty cool.. the mesh has all sorts of different stuff on and in it and its a really high count of thread.. same with their stings.. they also have a new mesh that has longer holes making the mesh stretch out about an inch or so wider(does something else i forget though).. great guys with a great product

[ChiefsLacrosse1]

so im guessing youve met me.levalle and mr.weston yourself?

[redbirds07]

i believe so if you come to pracys and games i do equipment with the khawks

[LaxIntegrity]

i believe so if you come to pracys and games i do equipment with the khawks

Maybe you meant "praxis"? :grin:

[BOXcanada]

Heres a better pic.

[boxpimp66]

about 1/3 of our team is from 6 nations, they seem to be more into the head and mesh dies then the rest of the team, those guys generaly do their own work when it comes to that stuff, and they all do their own string jobs wether it be traditional or mesh. i would be suprised if one of his teamates or himself didn't die the mesh. as for it being illeagle who cares, if you got nothin better to complain about you should be a spectator not a player.

[Warrior 187]

about 1/3 of our team is from 6 nations, they seem to be more into the head and mesh dies then the rest of the team, those guys generaly do their own work when it comes to that stuff, and they all do their own string jobs wether it be traditional or mesh. i would be suprised if one of his teamates or himself didn't die the mesh. as for it being illeagle who cares, if you got nothin better to complain about you should be a spectator not a player.

no man thats definitely the march mesh.

[TOP SH3LF]

Yea definitely Marc Mesh from Blue Collar Lax. They mention Steener by name in their full page ads that often appear in Inside Lacrosse. Also quoted in the ad is Shawn Williams of the K-Hawks. The mesh seems like a really good product I just could never justify spending $35 on a mesh piece, and obviously these pros are getting it for free. Blue Collar Lax's ad shows that sweet American Flag Mesh Dye, I guess they are pushing to make that another novelty that players get into.

[spenny]

its definately illegal in both NCAA and NFHS field lax. dont know about the canadian box rules. it also appears to be illegal in the NLL rule set, however pro leagues tend to be less concerned with the rules as they are with making the stars happy and putting butts in seats, so i'm not suprised that they arent enforcing it

[RockStar]

From a post above, the rule says something along the lines that you can't paint your mesh to "disguise the ball from the opposing team".

To me, using multi-coloured mesh by itself is not a violation of the rule the way it's written.

You could argue that using dark mesh with a white circle painted right where your pocket is might be a violation.

Sadly, the NLL rulebook doesn't include case rulings, so we don't even know where the line is. They may have a real referee manual that does include these goodies, but the variation in refereeing styles and the number of absolute mystery calls makes me believe the manual might not exist..

[Quinn92]

Dude this stuff is amazing these guys gave me some mesh over at the face-off classic and I put it on both of my sticks, it really isn't affected(AT ALL) by the rain or mud and it keeps the pocket perfectly, and if you like soft mesh this stuff gives you the same feel, and it throws great


-Quinn

Oh and the rule is you can't disguise the ball in your stick, no dyed mesh isn't illegal, I don't know where you heard that but it's wrong

-Quinn

[slinkyspine]

Oh and the rule is you can't disguise the ball in your stick, no dyed mesh isn't illegal, I don't know where you heard that but it's wrong

-Quinn

Dyed mesh in general isn't illegal, however 2 colour dyed mesh is. The odd thing about the rule is that you can have multi coloured traditional.

[Warrior 187]

does it really matter if it is illegal or not?.. cuz no one has got a stick check yet (which they do every commerical brake) and has been told it is illegal... so really is it that big of a deal?

[RockStar]

.........2 colour dyed mesh is (illegal)..........

The NLL rules do not say explicitly that you can't use 2-colour. They do imply that you can't dye, though. The relevant phrase is some stupid crap along the lines of

"the color of the pocket must remain consistent with the color issued by the manufacturer......"

With this, it is implied that you cannot dye mesh to change it's colour, (whether one colour of dye or or two), but there is nothing explicit against having more than one colour as long as that's the way you bought it.

Either way, they should just delete phrases like this. There are plenty of rules that do matter.

As a curiosity, Other than Steenhuis, there are also at least 3 guys on the Rock alone that are using multi-coloured pockets.

[laxman656]

there are also at least 3 guys on the Rock alone that are using multi-coloured pockets.

there are only 3

poulin the keeper
lady
and loucke

[Bretmac]

there are only 3

poulin the keeper
lady
and loucke

and benesch and mike mcleod...but hes not playing

[canuklax]

I'd really like to know what sidewall pattern he use's because i have an e3 and some marcmesh but i dont know a good sidewall pattern for an E3

[Bretmac]

canuck try emailing the boys therye good guys im sure they would tell you

[canuklax]

canuck try emailing the boys therye good guys im sure they would tell you

The boys at Blue Collar? Yea they are really nice. I have been exchanging e-mails with Tim( dont know his last name) and he has beeen very very nice and helpful. he even set up a phone call with
Marc Levielle( spelling?) himself when my mojo wasnt throwing well. Im going to go drop them an e-mail.

[Bretmac]

therye great guys tim has been extremely helpful and very nice these guhys are great people to deal woth

[canuklax]

therye great guys tim has been extremely helpful and very nice these guhys are great people to deal woth

Yep they are with out a doubt a pleasure to deal with. I wish everyone had as good customer service as these guys.

[XxLaXgOaLiE94xX]

it's not illegal to dye mesh two colours, most of the toronto rock have red white and blue mesh

[canuklax]

They havnt replied yet :( and i had a game today but luckily i was filling ofr my goalie who was sick and i had never played goalie in my life but i managed to save 28 shots( a low shooting game) and i only let in 4 but unfortunatly there goalie was amazing and although we had 20 shots alone in the 3rd (40 shots all together) we only managed to score twice.

^^ that was a bit of topic but what i was trying to say was. Although they didnt reply i didint need my stick today at my game because i filled in for my goalie.

[Bretmac]

theyll get back to you soon enough... if not just use your mojo

[canuklax]

theyll get back to you soon enough... if not just use your mojo

I dont have it anymore i traded it because i didnt like it. And its really odd because usally they get back the day after you send the e-mail but it has 3 days

[Bretmac]

yeah they have times were their busy and cant get back.... i.e beginning of sr and jr seasons...