Under 18 aussie team 'Kangas'

[Dill.Lax36]

Why is it im not eligable for the team when im not even 18 during the tournament?? It states that you have to be under 18 as of 31st August 2008, which i am. I didnt even hear about the tryouts until a mate of mine from perth informed me about it last night.

Cheers.

[lukeoz]

i think it's for under 15s

[NALC24]

it is for under 15's not under 18's

[Minotaur]

it is for under 15's not under 18's

It was originally for the first year under 15's who would be eligible for the 2012 Aussie under 19 team, but it soon changed due to the team being placed in the under 18 section of the Youth Tournament in Canada. It was felt that there were only a handful of players in that 2012 group that could play at that level, and that the inclusion of older players would strengthen their competitive edge. The selection criteria is that you were born after 31/08/1991. The original date was 31/08/1992. With this new criteria, most of these players on this team will be too old to play for the 2012 under 19's.

If Lacrosse Australia said give us $6000 and we will develop those eligible 2012 players for the next 4 years during the off season, then that is a long term development vision for this particular group, and I'm sure more parents would be interested. Instead, they are asking for $6000 +gear for a week in Canada. The 2012 eligible talent was supposed to be identified at last years Under 15 tournament.... There doesn't seem to be a uniform and concise vision of development for the 2012 under 19 group. Which leads me to believe that there is no uniform national vision for youth develpoment in this country! It is still left to individuals at select clubs to drive youth programs, especially in the off season. And they still wonder why the Australian national teams end up working hard for third place in world championships?

[SA-Lax]

Couldn't agree more. SA had 10 at tryouts - a few don't even intend to go if selected and some very good young players never even tried out due to the cost. Who pays - plays.
Wouldn't it make more sense to choose a squad of talented kids and work in Australia towards the next U19 worlds - developing these kids rather than take their money for 2 weeks in Canada. Organise games against local teams / visiting OS teams. - have camps etc
Word is a good young player in SA ( Brayden ) parent's can't justify the cost for a 13 year old - even though he has great potential. Would be a great experience ( holiday ) but where's the development?

[Minotaur]

Yes, very hard to justify 13 and 14-year olds for a week or so in Canada at that price. For that $$$ I could send my sons to their grandparents in New York, and they could do 3 lacrosse camps each! Griffin Jenney had a great national tournament, but chose not to try-out, as did Jarryd Purdie and Nicholas Brookes. All strong players who could have contributed. The trip looked "sexy" on the surface, but would severely hamstring those that are headed to Perth later in the year for the under 15's, and those first year under 17's wishing to rep their states in July. I think it's time to push the governing bodies of this sport, both national and state, for a more comprehensive vision of youth (ages 12 to 16) development, that actually takes place in this country. Any other opinions out there???? Lets hear from you...

[Dill.Lax36]

So this years Kangas team is supposed to be going with the under 19 Aussie team to the World champs and play the other junior teams.???? Oh geez, from the looks of it our team will be slaughtered, none of the defenders a year younger than me weight over 65kg or that experienced.
But thats just my opinion. Some good centres though, Thomas Jakic should prove himself a great player and Tim Dobson as goalie.

Im curious though, How on earth is Mike Lovett eligable when were both year 12's this year and he's a second year under 18.. and im first year 18's.

[Nowonmai]

It is indeed a lot of money for one or two weeks of lacrosse!
Had to pull my son out as couldn't really justify the expenditure,
especially with Perth coming up later in the year.
Also with son still having injury niggles it's hard to commit for that amount of $$. Also will have to think of younger son coming up in a year or two as well, much easier on the wallet to spread the lax $$ over years rather than in one big hit for the one child only, much better value too!

It's a great shame for those with the talent but not the $$.........
Great experience for those who can afford it though & good luck to them.

[braves4]

to everyone who has replyed to this thread

none of you have any idea what you are talking about.

sure its alot of money and yes the team will get beaten all the time.

i am a member of the squad and i can tell you right now that we are going to play some good high school teams before the tournament is on and at the tournament there will be teams from all around the world like japan, US rgional teams etc. it is going to be a great expirience and i know for myself that there are going to be college scouts looking at this tournamnet along with the under 19s games and i personally dont want to miss the opportunity to show them what i got.

yes i may pay 6000 dollars to go to this tournament but it is far from a waste of money, i am going to get to go to the otherside of the world to play lacrosse for god sake.

I am also finishing school this year and have not made up my mind about what i want to do in my life and i might aswell go and try my chances of getting seen against, well lets face it, much better lacrosse than i will ever come up against in australia. at least then i will know what it is going to take to get better.

secondly who is saying that this is not going to develop junior lacrosse in australia?? of course it bloody will, getting a bunch of 16 year olds to travel to canada and play numerous games of lacrosse against opposition much better than they can face here is definantly going to develop them.

anyone else wanna expand on this topic?? please do

[Defence]

I am with you well said.

[Dill.Lax36]

Damn luke..you seriously schooled some peeps here.
and i was thinkin that too.. how on earth would that not develop juniors.. Like he said.. Send a bunch of 14-16 yr olds over to another country that is more developed with lacrosse.. (USA)... and let them play their heart out, they will be beat good but will take in so much experience and lay waste to the others back at home. It's an experience no body would want to miss out on, and it sure isn't a waste of money imo.

[laxdude136]

i went to the states and played in a recruting tournament called champ camp, which would have had alot more skilled players, skilled teams and skilled coaches involved then this tournament, and i spent no more then $4000 for a 1 month trip which included sight seeing and moving between a few different states, so i can see the benifits you may think this trip will give you, but i can assure you there are much better ways to go about it then this.

[braves4]

mabey your right man however this gives me a chance to play for my country and that makes me feel bloody unbelieveable even though it isnt prestigous like 19s its still good to get my name out. also i know about those camps and them having to take up about a month but im in yr 12 and i dont have a month coz of school and this is kind of a good way to get noticed before i leave school and then when i finally do leave school mabey an opportunity will open up for me and it wont be a long time before i go back to study and get a degree.

i see your point tho

cheers

[swankylaxer]

I think you will find that the level of improvement in any player over a 2 week period is generally minimal. You need to have sustained high level training and games over long periods in order to see major improvements. The biggest problem we have in Aus with training kids is the lack of high level coaches doing the job at the grass roots level.

We also have a problem in that we generaly only train the junior teams once or twice a week where as in the USA and Canada will train 5 nights a week. Therefor the improvement in there juniors far outways our own.

I know that Lax Aus has been working hard to create a new coach accreditation which is recognised by the Aus Sport Commission and that it should be up and running this year. This will go along way to improving coaching standards through out Aus and this will help to improve our juniors far more than a 2 week trip for those who can afford it.

We also need to have our own Aus wide coaching conference so that all coaches can get together and learn from each other.

This team has nothing to do with sending the best tallent available and any benefit received by those players who can afford to go will be limited. I'm not saying that going there and experiencing the tournament wont be a great and memorable experience. But I do beleive that if we were to get a squad together of the best players in that age group and take them to the staes to do a series of clinics with some of the best coaches the USA has to offer would be more benificial to both Players and Coaches.

[braves4]

well everyone can have their own thaughts and yes there are pros and cons to doing this trip

but at least i can get an idea of what im up agaisnt and what i need to do to get better might become more clear

[laxdude136]

the camp took 4 days not a month, so i dunno where you are getting you info about a camp taking a month?
but yeh i see what your saying aswell, good luck with it all

[igloo dweller]

i agree with with le swank...the amount of development per dollar spent aint uber great with a trip like this - but thats not saying that trips like this shouldnt take place, or that individuals wont improve or gain benefit

perhaps a series of regular camps would develop talent more efficiently. costs would be kept down, a greater number of juniors would be exposed and the training could be structured around school holidays. this is a similar structure as the AFL/AIS academy.

say 70 juniors could paid around $1500 each ($96000, allowing for 6 scholarship holders). with 5 camps a year (2 in summer break, one in each term break, perhaps one over the week of nationals) and fly in a few guest coaches. then add training with local lax and health & fitness coaches every second weekend...

that's my two bobs. hope all going on this trip have a blast and rip it up...

[Minotaur]

Finally, intelligent debate about junior development in Australia.....

Sorry Braves4, my intention was not to dis you and your Kanga's teammates, but to debate the "idea" per say of this "development team", and the vision, or lack of vision for junior development in this country. There are a few experienced coaches who have responded to this thread, and I think you should hear them out. I'm sure you will have a good time in Canada...you'd better for the money your parents will be paying. By the way, I don't know which high schools Trevor will be having you guys play, as US/Canadian schools are on summer break in July.....

Swankey and Igloo are on the money. There needs to be a long term vision about junior lacrosse, and the development of our juniors, and I have yet to see a concise and uniform vision since I first started coaching in Australia in 1995. Both on a state level, and a national level. I have coached and coached against some very fine individual talent over the years in Melbourne and nationally, but you need to develop groups of kids with a long term development program. Two weeks in Canada will give minimal development compared to 4-years of sustained training and consistant coaching. Australia has a chance to identify and develop a large group of kids nationally for the under 2012 under 19 national team and lacrosse in general, why not commence now? Other issues I see concerning junior development in Oz are:

1. Sustained training, education, and development of junior coaches.
2. Off season field and box competitions. As it stands now, there is very little in the way of junior comps during the summer. While you sleep, your American and Canadian counterparts play year round! That's development.
3. Coordination between statewide governing bodies and Lacrosse Australia concerning national development programs for juniors.
4. Much cheaper to have US prep schools with oodles of money touring Australia, instead squeezing Australian parents for their money. There is plenty of time before these juniors enter the money pit that surrounds tryouts for national teams. Just ask the current under 19 national players about value for money!
5. Like Igloo said, creat a VIS/AIS academy of lacrosse, and actually pay experienced coaches to train these kids. Lord help us if we should actually pay people in this sport! $6000 for Canada or $6000 for a 4-year, year round development program.....

Thanks for the discussion on this topic. It's been too long in coming. What are your thoughts?

[laxmcc]

to say it will be a waste is probably a bit much but i do agree with ej.
i cant see anything really happening on account of progressing majorly with a 3 week trip. (3 not 2).
about the high school games i think they intend to play a make up under 18 team and enter a summer tournament and college preparatory camp before taking part in the competition in canada.
as it stands the team will consist of younger players that are being groomed to make under 19's aus in 2012? (or whenever the next 19's worlds are) and older guys to support and mentor the younger ones.
i believe after it there will be continued training for these kids to progress their lacrosse so it isnt all a lost cause.
anyway hope the kids have a blast. iv put my name down an am awaiting a call any day now (as are many others). should be a great experience on the whole.
cheers
laxmcc

[Defence]

It is good to see this debate on the value of sendinga junior team to Canada to experience the strongest competition and see the highest level of Lacrosse.

Touring with a team is certainly a lot different that playing home and away matches each Studay.

Few Young players in any sport understand the touring concept until they exerience it first hand.

Look at the Under 19 Lacrosse team that competed in Towson.

Prior to leaving they played in the Senior Nationals and won that competition by defeating the highest State level teams in Australia.

However the best they could do at Towsn was a BRONZE.


Hopefully all those that compete in the Under 19 Worlds and the Kangas team can bring their experience playing and Coaching back to Australia for the benefit of the game, even they do it all at their own expense.

Go guys.

[cannon]

The 2003 under 19 team prior to leaving these shores played against 3 less than full strength Vic, SA and WA sides in 02 and 03. Much less than full strength. In 2002, the squad also played against the Australian, Canadian, Korean, German and Swedish Senior teams, all of the youth touring teams in 02(in fact we played something like 13 games in less than 2 weeks.). We also played against top high school players such as guys from Liverpool, Heninger NY, and West Genesee, beating them easily as well as beating a combined team of players from LeMoyne and other mostly D1 teams. But yes we came third.

In 1998/9 that under 19 aussie squad toured the US playing and getting whopped by top High School teams like Army Prep and Georgetown Prep but beating some others. They also played in a 1998 State tournament and had moderate success against much better quality state teams than we faced in 03. I think they came 5th.

Again in 1996 the seniors had a big squad go over to the US, this was, i think mainly a big boozeup. They came third in 98.

In short, the tours are great fun and a steep learning curve for all invloved. My point using the above examples is that who you tour against in a lead up to a tournament does not directly translate to results, there is alot that goes into building a great team and having a large group of players with a lead time well beyond what we have had in the past is important IMO.

I too hope that the players on the tour being conversed about bring back their experiences to share with others but more than anything else i hope anyone involved as a coach /administrator with any future Australian touring endeavour brings back their knowledge and shares that with the community here. Presently there seems to be no way to do this which is, in my opinion a gaping hole in progressing Aussie lacrosse.

In any case anyone reading this who can play for this team, DO IT!, You'll have a blast and probably score yourself some sweet gear, which is after all what eveyone plays for ;).

[ryan.lax]

Why is it im not eligable for the team when im not even 18 during the tournament?? It states that you have to be under 18 as of 31st August 2008, which i am. I didnt even hear about the tryouts until a mate of mine from perth informed me about it last night.

Cheers.

Did anyone here play in the 2007 adelaide state tournament last year?

[ryan.lax]

who do you play for Sa-Lax??

[ryan.lax]

Braden who doez he play 4?

[ryan.lax]

to everyone who has replyed to this thread

none of you have any idea what you are talking about.

sure its alot of money and yes the team will get beaten all the time.

i am a member of the squad and i can tell you right now that we are going to play some good high school teams before the tournament is on and at the tournament there will be teams from all around the world like japan, US rgional teams etc. it is going to be a great expirience and i know for myself that there are going to be college scouts looking at this tournamnet along with the under 19s games and i personally dont want to miss the opportunity to show them what i got.

yes i may pay 6000 dollars to go to this tournament but it is far from a waste of money, i am going to get to go to the otherside of the world to play lacrosse for god sake.

I am also finishing school this year and have not made up my mind about what i want to do in my life and i might aswell go and try my chances of getting seen against, well lets face it, much better lacrosse than i will ever come up against in australia. at least then i will know what it is going to take to get better.

secondly who is saying that this is not going to develop junior lacrosse in australia?? of course it bloody will, getting a bunch of 16 year olds to travel to canada and play numerous games of lacrosse against opposition much better than they can face here is definantly going to develop them.

anyone else wanna expand on this topic?? please do

What he said

[laxmcc]

well everyone can have their own thaughts and yes there are pros and cons to doing this trip

but at least i can get an idea of what im up agaisnt and what i need to do to get better might become more clear

whats all this im hearing about us going to get beaten??
i mean sure iv seen the team an im not sure how strong it will be but with some strength and conditioning training and some good leaders (mainly thinkin of will littieri, nick kiloh, jaxon hall and billy exton) the team will have a good base for competition.
sure some of the teams will be bigger or faster but i bet other countries are thinking along the same lines as australia. get them started young.
and if all else fails... we will score some sick gear and an aussie jersey with ur name on the back... isnt that something worth playing for??
laxmcc

[REDS#4]

Does any1 kno whos in the team yet?????

[Defence]

No Squad needs to be approved by State Associations to ensure that all in squad are "Players in good standing" with their State Association and their Club.

This is a normal procedure for any team.

[laxdude136]

first of all that makes no sense, fix your sentence structure, and 2nd, i may have missed something and your lack of quoting doesnt help either, but what is that in reference to?

[Defence]

For the benefit of Laxdude who must be exteremely arrogant if noting else.

The previous reply was in Direct reply to the question asked by Reds#4.

"Does any one know who is is the team yet ????"
Answer = No.
Then have a break if you like. Start a new sentance
Squad needs to be approved.................Club.

Now are you clear.

[Corduroy]

I think the rest of us understood your message Defence.

Laxdude - focus on your game rather than throwing stones for no real reason.

Roy.

[Defence]

Glad at least somebody could understand.

I was getting quite a complex.

[laxmcc]

Does any1 kno whos in the team yet?????

the boys who were selected were informed already. victoria had their first training on sunday the 24th

[laxdude136]

thank you for the clarification defence, no need to get defensive i wasnt having a go at you sorry if it seemed that way, i was tired when reading it and didnt realise u had forgotten to put a comma between no and squad. relax.

and thanks for the constructive critisism roy, if only everyone could be as good as you ;)

[Defence]

Fine Guys.

We all read these when we are tired or in a hurry.

[laxmcc]

team was announced yesterday (still subject to club, state and ofcourse financial approval)

CALLAN AHRENS vic
TOM BENSON vic
NATHAN GEUE sa
MATT VAN ZYL qld
ANDREW HINDS vic
WILLIAM LETTIERI vic
ANTHONY JENKINSON vic
LIAM DAVIES wa
TAYLOR FISHER-STONE vic
TOM PIKE vic
JACKSON HALL wa
DAVIS DIPETRO vic
TOMISLAV JAKICIC vic
MICHAEL GROVE wa
SEAMUS MCKENZIE wa
MAX ROWSE wa
BILLY EXTON vic
HAMISH MAGEE wa
TAYLOR FALLOON sa
RYAN MCAULEY sa
BEN THOMPSON wa
BEN ROBINSON sa
LUKE KEESING wa
RICHARD GRANT vic
LACHLAN BUNBURY wa
NICHOLAS KILOH vic
ROWAN ANGLICAS vic
NILS OSSEIRAN wa

TERRY MAGEE COACH
RANDALL HALL MANAGER
JOHN KEESING ASSISTANT MANAGER
TREVOR STEVENS EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR

[Minotaur]

Good Luck Kangas! You will have a great time, and I think you should win a few. These tournaments are always a "mixed bag", so don't sell yourself short! You can win over there.

Interesting omissions from the team, especially after watching some good talent in last years under 15's. The two top attackmen from the tournament, Lachlan Walker and Griffin Jenney, didn't try out for whatever the reason. One of the strongest players in that age group, James Harley, is also not going. Others of note are brothers Dean and Glenn Stampalia, Jarryd Purdie, and goalie Tim Dobson. I think we will see these players bumping up an age group to play for their respective states in the Under 17 nationals in July.

Again, good luck Kangas.

[goalielegend]

thanks eric we will have so much fun i hope :P

[Dill.Lax36]

hahahaha nice what grade level r u? dill.lax36

Im first year 18's

[laxmcc]

Good Luck Kangas! You will have a great time, and I think you should win a few. These tournaments are always a "mixed bag", so don't sell yourself short! You can win over there.

Interesting omissions from the team, especially after watching some good talent in last years under 15's. The two top attackmen from the tournament, Lachlan Walker and Griffin Jenney, didn't try out for whatever the reason. One of the strongest players in that age group, James Harley, is also not going. Others of note are brothers Dean and Glenn Stampalia, Jarryd Purdie, and goalie Tim Dobson. I think we will see these players bumping up an age group to play for their respective states in the Under 17 nationals in July.

Again, good luck Kangas.

so from the team that was picked... elaborate??
weak points? strong points? how will they rate? predictions?

[Minotaur]

Thanks NK! Would I care to elaborate? Well, as a coach, I would never "pre-empt" the performance of a development team by commenting on individual strengths and weaknesses. That is why you are headed to Canada....to develop your lacrosse experience. Keep your eyes open and learn as much as you can stuff into your head!

In saying that, generally speaking, I think the obvious strength of this team, on paper, are the midfielders. Australia always develops great midfielders, as the style of lacrosse down under is run and gun. Young middies are taught from day one to play both ends of the field, O and D. The roster has a number of fast, aggressive, athletic kids, and they will be unleashed onto some teams who have a more controlled, passive, and patient style of play. God help them!

The "debit" (I don't see this as weakness, but an area of development), is both ends of the field....Defense and Attack. Goalie is the hardest position in the game, and you have two 14-years olds who will be facing under 18 level shooting. A big jump indeed! Goalies usually come of age around 30-years old, so they will have their work cut out for them. Good, that's what the trip is about. Long stick defense was an obvious area in need of development during last year's under 15 tournament, but you will be surprised as individuals will "step up".

Like goalie, attack is another position that sometimes takes years to develop. It also takes a rare combination of athletic ability, vision & intelligence, generosity, and stick skills. Throw into the stew a good helping of confidence and aggression, and you have an attackman.....Again, I think this will be a good opportunity for individuals to develop some of those qualities.

Its a large roster of 28 names, and hopefully the field time will be equally distributed. All in all, it will be a great trip, not just for the lacrosse. Enjoy it and take advantage of the opportunity. Don't be too hard on yourself/selves and have fun. I think this team will do just fine, and you may even surprise yourself, which is the best experience of all!

Good luck.

[laxmcc]

yeh pretty much what i was thinking... set plays on o an d will be a must...
dont get me wrong E i wasnt having a go at your last comment i was just curious as (from a coaches point of view) how the team looks from an outsiders eyes. midfield looks strong with some fast players and we do have some talented attackmen/d poles but they will need to put a lot of work in to bulk up coming to july because you can bet they will be a bit young...

[laxhack_8]

i think they'll do not bad, for an aussie team. from what i know and have seen, there's a good variety of players each with their own specialties.

[braves4]

team was announced yesterday (still subject to club, state and ofcourse financial approval)

CALLAN AHRENS vic
TOM BENSON vic
NATHAN GEUE sa
MATT VAN ZYL qld
ANDREW HINDS vic
WILLIAM LETTIERI vic
ANTHONY JENKINSON vic
LIAM DAVIES wa
TAYLOR FISHER-STONE vic
TOM PIKE vic
JACKSON HALL wa
DAVIS DIPETRO vic
TOMISLAV JAKICIC vic
MICHAEL GROVE wa
SEAMUS MCKENZIE wa
MAX ROWSE wa
BILLY EXTON vic
HAMISH MAGEE wa
TAYLOR FALLOON sa
RYAN MCAULEY sa
BEN THOMPSON wa
BEN ROBINSON sa
LUKE KEESING wa
RICHARD GRANT vic
LACHLAN BUNBURY wa
NICHOLAS KILOH vic
ROWAN ANGLICAS vic
NILS OSSEIRAN wa

TERRY MAGEE COACH
RANDALL HALL MANAGER
JOHN KEESING ASSISTANT MANAGER
TREVOR STEVENS EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR


What a bunch of mad dogs :P

its a shame people like tom graham, tim stone and dave benedetto had to withdraw. but this team is still good

add me on myspace hahahaha

[la-X2]

good to see a queenslander in the team!! haha

[ryan.lax]

yep i met him he's a good defender

he stole my number :( 1#

[ryan.lax]

Its a large roster of 28 names, and hopefully the field time will be equally distributed. All in all, it will be a great trip, not just for the lacrosse. Enjoy it and take advantage of the opportunity. Don't be too hard on yourself/selves and have fun. I think this team will do just fine, and you may even surprise yourself, which is the best experience of all!

Good luck.

We will Be having Breaks like...

some days we will play and some days we wont.

-Ryan Mcauley Sa

[suga0108]

how is jaden meelick from east freo not in this team he straight rips

[Dill.Lax36]

jaden, who played in under 15's nationals 2006?
yeah he's a gun!

[braves4]

how is jaden meelick from east freo not in this team he straight rips

matty devoy mate he is too old that is why

[ryan.lax]

Purdie didnt make the team :/ how come?

[thunder_15]

how is jaden meelick from east freo not in this team he straight rips

im pritty sure jaden would be to old. dont quote me on that but yer

[braves4]

Was matty devoy at the Altona matches i was there he was a mad dog if it was or it was some other bad ***

matt devoy wasnt at the altona matches mate. he lives in WA and wasnt in the braves team that year so he wanst there.

[ryan.lax]

matt devoy wasnt at the altona matches mate. he lives in WA and wasnt in the braves team that year so he wanst there.

:( ok then

[laxlegend]

Hmm... as a player in the team this thread has really cleared up some things i wasn't too sure about, so thanks to guys like EJ for that...

I'm still not sure though about how well we can expect to do against, say, an average american high school team, though. I've heard a lot of mixed things about them and I've never seen a team like that play for myself, so at the moment I have no idea whether we'll be wiping the floor with them, playing deadlocked nailbiters against them, or not even be able to hold a wet rag up to them and get owned.

I really have no clue what they're like, and what their tendencies on the field are (eg: slashing a lot, playing more pushed out defenses than australian players have ever seen, using totally one-on-one oriented offenses, etc) so if someone could give me an idea of how and how well these guys play that would be great. I'd also like to know if what I've heard about american face-off guys being totally dreadful is true. A western USA "all-star high school" team came touring Vic last year and in a scratch match I played for malvern against them i found even i could beat their face-off guy with no problems (he really wasn't good), but i don't know if that was just a fluke. any info at all on this would be really helpful so we know what we're up against.

I can't wait to go!!

[ryan.lax]

message me your hotmail if you have one laxlegend :D

[endoftheline]

A western USA "all-star high school" team came touring Vic last year and in a scratch match I played for malvern against them i found even i could beat their face-off guy with no problems (he really wasn't good), but i don't know if that was just a fluke. any info at all on this would be really helpful so we know what we're up against.

I think you'd be expecting to face some stronger competition than that team. They were from California (which still has a semi-developing lax scene) and were mainly made up of players who'd played for 3-4 years, similar to Aussie kids of that age. In the lacrosse heartland of the Eastern states i think you'll find more competition, as more of the kids will have played since birth as well as going to highschool and training multiple times each week there.
Good luck on tour, you'll get your money's worth.

[laxlegend]

oh, it's you ollie. Cheers for the info mate, but we'll be in LA and Seattle so I think we'll be playing kids from mostly western states

any more would be appreciated too

[braves4]

#1 - Ben Robinson - SA
#2 - Billy Exton - VIC
#3 - Callan Ahrens - VIC
#4 - Luke Keesing - WA
#5 - Lachlan Bunbury - WA
#6 - Nathan Geue - SA
#7 - Taylor Falloon – SA
#8 - Seamus McKenzie - WA
#9 - Davis Dipetro - VIC
#10 - Rowan Amglicas - VIC
#11 - Liam Davies - WA
#12 - Jaxon Hall - WA
#13 - Tom Benson - VIC
#14 - Ryan Macualy - SA
#15 - Tom Pike - VIC
#16 - Andrew Hinds - VIC
#17 - Taylor Fisher-Stone - VIC
#18 - Matt Van Zyl - QLD
#19 - Michael Grove – WA
#20 - Max Rowse - WA
#22 - Nils Osseiran - WA
#23 - Richard Grant - VIC
#26 - Tomislav Jacic - VIC
#28 - Hamish Mcgee - WA
#30 - Ben Thompson - WA
#40 - Nick Kiloh - VIC
#41 - Will Letiri - VIC
#44 - Anthony Jenkinson - VIC

Now with playing numbers :)

apparently we are getting to play 2 games or more per day in seattle which is sik

[NALC24]

so why arent the numbers in order, could you guys just choose any number?

[bluedevil49]

They are in order. They go from smallest to largest.

But I'm guessing that what you actually meant was why are there numbers missing?

I guess like some other Aussie teams, they got to choose their own numbers.

I take it you didn't.

[chaza]

yeh young mat made it thats great news and a huge plus that he is an queenslander.ps his dad will be over the moon

[laxlegend]

yeah we got to choose any number we wanted. It's just coincidence that the 1st 20 are in order

[Minotaur]

Richard Grant out due to personal reasons. That's ok....I'll keep him busy throwing goals against West and South Australia in July!

[laxmcc]

Richard Grant out due to personal reasons. That's ok....I'll keep him busy throwing goals against West and South Australia in July!

that was a shame its gonna be a great experience.

iv been talking to most of the boys and they are absolutely over the moon about the opportunity to go on tour. we just started ordering gear and you can imagine what that was like... its like kids in a candy shop.

there has been some talk on what the plan for the trip is...

first off the team will travel to Los Angeles where they will hopefully play some games and do some team bonding sessions and stuff (disneyland all that crap)

then they will fly to seattle where they will play about 6 games in total over a 5 day visit

then they will bus it to vancouver where they will participate in a 3 day camp and watch the under 19's.

then they will play

watch 19's finals and fly home

this is all subject to change so dont quote me on it

looks like a sick trip!!

[Dill.Lax36]

that was a shame its gonna be a great experience.

iv been talking to most of the boys and they are absolutely over the moon about the opportunity to go on tour. we just started ordering gear and you can imagine what that was like... its like kids in a candy shop.

there has been some talk on what the plan for the trip is...

first off the team will travel to Los Angeles where they will hopefully play some games and do some team bonding sessions and stuff (disneyland all that crap)

then they will fly to seattle where they will play about 6 games in total over a 5 day visit

then they will bus it to vancouver where they will participate in a 3 day camp and watch the under 19's.

then they will play

watch 19's finals and fly home

this is all subject to change so dont quote me on it

looks like a sick trip!!


Yeah sounds it... Spewin im too old for the kangas -.- i would have loved to go

[NALC24]

They are in order. They go from smallest to largest.

But I'm guessing that what you actually meant was why are there numbers missing?

I guess like some other Aussie teams, they got to choose their own numbers.

I take it you didn't.

thats what i ment DM, yeah we got to choose our own numbers, but within 1-23 nothing over that,

[ryan.lax]

#1 - Ben Robinson - SA
#2 - Billy Exton - VIC
#3 - Callan Ahrens - VIC
#4 - Luke Keesing - WA
#5 - Lachlan Bunbury - WA
#6 - Nathan Geue - SA
#7 - Taylor Falloon – SA
#8 - Seamus McKenzie - WA
#9 - Davis Dipetro - VIC
#10 - Rowan Amglicas - VIC
#11 - Liam Davies - WA
#12 - Jaxon Hall - WA
#13 - Tom Benson - VIC
#14 - Ryan Macualy - SA
#15 - Tom Pike - VIC
#16 - Andrew Hinds - VIC
#17 - Taylor Fisher-Stone - VIC
#18 - Matt Van Zyl - QLD
#19 - Michael Grove – WA
#20 - Max Rowse - WA
#22 - Nils Osseiran - WA
#23 - Richard Grant - VIC
#26 - Tomislav Jacic - VIC
#28 - Hamish Mcgee - WA
#30 - Ben Thompson - WA
#40 - Nick Kiloh - VIC
#41 - Will Letiri - VIC
#44 - Anthony Jenkinson - VIC

Now with playing numbers :)

apparently we are getting to play 2 games or more per day in seattle which is sik


Oh dam Ben you stole my number 1 :( Numba 14 now :D

[Dill.Lax36]

Luke keesing probs best player there :P
He's a GUN!!!!!!

[braves4]

Luke keesing probs best player there :P
He's a GUN!!!!!!


lol, that is all...... cheers dill

ummmmm did i see someone say that richard grant has pulled out of the team??????

also we are playing 2 games a day for 4 days in seattle

[goalielegend]

awsome i want my gear !!!!

[Dill.Lax36]

So who's Captaining the side?
Luke? Only because i think he's one of the oldest on the team.

[laxlegend]

I've got no idea when captains will be announced. Anyone here know?

[Dill.Lax36]

I've got no idea when captains will be announced. Anyone here know?

I found out off a player that it will be announced after the camp is over. So not too long.

[goalielegend]

exton for captin!! lol :P i think oldest should get it. maturity comes with age. any thoughts?

[Dill.Lax36]

exton for captin!! lol :P i think oldest should get it. maturity comes with age. any thoughts?

Oh i would have to disagree on the Maturity comes with age thing.. im 17 and not so much mature.. only when i want to be lol.. and alot of guys at my school who are 18.. or almost 18.. arent that mature. It's just a personality thing.
But age is a factor in it. Some people look up to elder players. i do

[laxmcc]

Oh i would have to disagree on the Maturity comes with age thing.. im 17 and not so much mature.. only when i want to be lol.. and alot of guys at my school who are 18.. or almost 18.. arent that mature. It's just a personality thing.
But age is a factor in it. Some people look up to elder players. i do

nick kiloh is the oldest in the team followed i believe by luke keesing and someone else from WA remember half the guys are eligible for the next under 19's and half not so there will be an age gap...

people who show good leadership such as tom pike, nick, luke and will litteiri will probably be favoured for the position as they are a tad older... i think its still very much up for grabs tho...

they will probably have a leadership group just like the under 19's do

[Minotaur]

Sorry Nick, But I don't think half - 14 players - on this particular roster will be eligible for the 2012 under 19 team. Please help me here, but I think more like a quarter or third will be eligible for 2012. Correct me if I'm wrong. Lets do a count! Anyway, this team did start out specifically for that age group, then grew older in proportion to the hightened anxiety from LA about Aussie under 15's getting spanked in Canada. I don't think this team will have any bearings on who makes the 2012 under 19's. You just never know who LA will dredge up in some back water in the US or Canada with dual passports!

[bewildered]

Sorry Nick, But I don't think half - 14 players - on this particular roster will be eligible for the 2012 under 19 team. Please help me here, but I think more like a quarter or third will be eligible for 2012. Correct me if I'm wrong. Lets do a count! Anyway, this team did start out specifically for that age group, then grew older in proportion to the hightened anxiety from LA about Aussie under 15's getting spanked in Canada. I don't think this team will have any bearings on who makes the 2012 under 19's. You just never know who LA will dredge up in some back water in the US or Canada with dual passports!

You are a bitter man. Would your response have been the same had your son been on the team?

How about a bit of encouragement for the lads, rather than your not too subtle sniping...

[Minotaur]

The encouaragement is posted well above, Bewildered. Not happy with a bit of debate??? Its what I have come to love and embrace about your all inclusive country......

[bewildered]

The encouaragement is posted well above, Bewildered. Not happy with a bit of debate??? Its what I have come to love and embrace about your all inclusive country......

I rest my case......oh, and note you failed to actually answer the question asked of you.

[Minotaur]

What case??? Did not realize this was a court.....Your logic is truly bewildering. My son has nothing to do with this debate, thus your point is moot. As for your hypersensitivity to sniping, get angry at the precedence set by your governing body.

[laxmcc]

What case??? Did not realize this was a court.....Your logic is truly bewildering. My son has nothing to do with this debate, thus your point is moot. As for your hypersensitivity to sniping, get angry at the precedence set by your governing body.

ok maybe lets focus on the topic at hand?

how the team is looking?? lets get some insights on how they are training? uniform, gear, training weekend! anything just no parading about who has the bigger ego or more established lacrosse background.

lets keep the focus on the players n coaches eh?

laxmcc

[Minotaur]

ok maybe lets focus on the topic at hand?

how the team is looking?? lets get some insights on how they are training? uniform, gear, training weekend! anything just no parading about who has the bigger ego or more established lacrosse background.

lets keep the focus on the players n coaches eh?

laxmcc

Ok my friend, how 'bout a tune up practice match between SE Titans and the Vic contingent of the Kangas. Titans will be having tryouts starting next Sunday, and should have a team selected by the first week of May. Should be a good bench mark to measure yourselves by, or at least a good starting point. Let's stop talking about development, and get busy..... You know where to reach me NK.:read:

[swankylaxer]

Ok my friend, how 'bout a tune up practice match between SE Titans and the Vic contingent of the Kangas. Titans will be having tryouts starting next Sunday, and should have a team selected by the first week of May. Should be a good bench mark to measure yourselves by, or at least a good starting point. Let's stop talking about development, and get busy..... You know where to reach me NK.:read:

Have you actually been interviewed Mino??????

[Minotaur]

Hi Swankman. The process has changed once again! I will call you later today to give you an update.

[laxmcc]

Ok my friend, how 'bout a tune up practice match between SE Titans and the Vic contingent of the Kangas. Titans will be having tryouts starting next Sunday, and should have a team selected by the first week of May. Should be a good bench mark to measure yourselves by, or at least a good starting point. Let's stop talking about development, and get busy..... You know where to reach me NK.:read:

what about SE titans VS Kangas??

on the 17th and 18th of may we are having a training weekend and i am sure we would welcome the game. i will talk to some of the coaches and see if we can organise something??

sound acceptable?

cheers laxmcc

[Minotaur]

Sounds great, lacmcc. I should get in one or two trainings before hand....just enough to put a little order to the chaos. Let your coaches know that I am intrerested, probably for Sunday the 18th of May. Should be constructive for both teams. Cheers....

[StampsD]

To see that there is so much conversation on this team is pretty awesome, yeh they are a young team, but beside there age and the amount of experience they have had they are still much the youth of our sport and so are many others and we should be supporting them, not ranting on about how they are probably going to get owned at the tournament. Personally the cost factor of things is what had me not try out, i am starting to think differently now on wether i should of tryed out or not but i dont really care. I just wish all the guys good luck with there trip and hope they have an awesome experience.

[goalielegend]

billy exton dropped out due to personal reason aswell. but we will still have a string side. its a shame!
any thoughts on the rest of the teams that we would be playing. ?

[ryan.lax]

billy exton dropped out due to personal reason aswell. but we will still have a string side. its a shame!
any thoughts on the rest of the teams that we would be playing. ?


wow hey are you for real? i talk to Exton on msn all the time he didnt mention anything about droping out. i heard a few people droped out. i was just wondering why you would want to drop out. can i see the new team list thanks - Ryan Mc

[goalielegend]

hey ryan only 2 people have in the whole team.
both cause of cash.but will still pawn lol .
talk to u soon mate

[StampsD]

hey ryan only 2 people have in the whole team.
both cause of cash.but will still pawn lol .
talk to u soon mate

just out of curiosity, whats going to happen to the free spots?? or are they going over there with what they got??

[laxmcc]

just out of curiosity, whats going to happen to the free spots?? or are they going over there with what they got??

there are 2 players missing from a 23 man squad. were going over there with the remaining 21 people haha i think we will b ok with numbers.

training weekend on the 17th and 18th of may should determine captaincy

cheers

laxmcc

[StampsD]

there are 2 players missing from a 23 man squad. were going over there with the remaining 21 people haha i think we will b ok with numbers.

training weekend on the 17th and 18th of may should determine captaincy

cheers

laxmcc

meh nah was jw wat was gonna happen, ther no chance to get in that team if ny1 left so i was jw wat was gonna happen, will probz be lookin at either the 17's or 19's wa team but eh the 17's isnt goin too well for numbers so may try my chances at 19's

[braves4]

here we go i have answers to many of the previously unaswered questions in this thread.

firsty, with the drop out of two players (grant and exton) leaves two places to be filled and they have been filled by two WA players Chris cowley (defence) and Sam waller (midfield) who have been new and welcomed inclusions to the kangas team.

so here it is the new team list.

#1 - Ben Robinson – SA
#2 – Sam Waller – WA
#3 - Callan Ahrens – VIC
#4 - Luke Keesing – WA
#5 - Lachlan Bunbury – WA
#6 - Nathan Geue – SA
#7 - Taylor Falloon – SA
#8 - Seamus McKenzie – WA
#9 - Davis Dipetro - VIC
#10 - Rowan Amglicas - VIC
#11 - Liam Davies - WA
#12 - Jaxon Hall - WA
#13 - Tom Benson _ VIC
#14 - Ryan Macualy - SA
#15 - Tom Pike - VIC
#16 - Andrew Hinds - VIC
#17 - Taylor Fisher-Stone - VIC
#18 - Matt Van Zyl - QLD
#19 - Michael Grove – WA
#20 - Max Rowse - WA
#22 - Nils Osseiran - WA
#23 – Chris Cowley - WA
#26 - Tomislav Jacic - VIC
#28 - Hamish Mcgee - WA
#30 - Ben Thompson - WA
#40 - Nick Kiloh - VIC
#41 - Will Letiri - VIC
#44 - Anthony Jenkinson - VIC

Training weekend is in two weeks on the 16th and 17th of May with training to be held at caulfield on the saturday and altona on the sunday.

I doubt that there will be enough time to have a trial match between any state teams and the kangas but i could be wrong.

for everyone in the team, the unifroms have been finalised and oredered and look sweet. helmets and gloves will be reciaved when we get to LA.

any body needs any more information? PM me

[vic laxette]

Dill, my boy, not sure if you are a 'dill' or a 'gifted thinker' but i gotta agree- there's nothing to equal playing experience in the USA - gotta do it!! all we get here is 'harris-ed here in Melb. and from LA etc -why don't they just let us play lacrosse- instead of collecting$$$$and paper

[laxmcc]

Kangas had their first game as a team today in LA against a combined varsity high school team.

Won 16 - 4

team looking quite good for a first match as a team with some great transition offence and good defense the team seems to be gelling well.

another game tomorrow before heading off to seattle

peace
laxmcc

[laxmcc]

second game against a stronger team seemed to turn up the intensity

kangas winning 22 - 2

again showing great transition offence and air tight defense

laxmcc

[yankeessuckbrs]

i just played the kangas. captain for the varsity squad. they were good, moved the ball quick, solid stick skills. However, the usa under 19 would destroy them. we had to play everybody so most of our team (that was good) only played like a solid quarter at strenghth but even then we werent that good. i was the only attackman who could take the d so we werent really an offensive threat. great guys tho. real nice. loved playing them. what happened to the barbe?

[yankeessuckbrs]

who are the captains and #44

[Jesse]

#44 - Anthony Jenkinson - VIC

I think the Captain are:
#41 - Will Letiri - VIC
#12 - Jaxon Hall - WA
#4 - Luke Keesing – WA

[vic laxette]

i just played the kangas. captain for the varsity squad. they were good, moved the ball quick, solid stick skills. However, the usa under 19 would destroy them. we had to play everybody so most of our team (that was good) only played like a solid quarter at strenghth but even then we werent that good. i was the only attackman who could take the d so we werent really an offensive threat. great guys tho. real nice. loved playing them. what happened to the barbe?

Who do you think will be a bit of a threat from the kangas team? - any players stand out? what do ya think of the aussie coach?

[yankeessuckbrs]

well they have some pretty solid mid's. they were definately the strongest position wise. there was one kid who was pretty tall and had a fast shot yet it wasnt very accurate. if you want to beat this team your d just has to stay on there man because all they do is try to quick pass to a shot. an attackman like me just roll-dodged and studderstepped the d all day and then id draw another d and just hit it to a middie coming down. i had 5 assists lol

[Lax supporter]

anyone know how the kangas are going there doesn't seem to be any info on them. I have heard someone got injured badly and there has been some trouble with in the team and a parent was asked to leave the ground and not come back anyone know names of players or the parent. Stats on players would also be good.

[Dill.Lax36]

apparently it was Thomas Pike who got into a fight (off field). Not the kind of guy you'd expect to get into a fight lol. Also i've heard he's been booted out of the team due to his actions.
Not too sure on who's parent was asked to leave the ground.

feel sorry for the lad who got injured... most people dont need to know and most likely will find out somehow.. but not from here.

dill.

[laxmcc]

apparently it was Thomas Pike who got into a fight (off field). Not the kind of guy you'd expect to get into a fight lol. Also i've heard he's been booted out of the team due to his actions.
Not too sure on who's parent was asked to leave the ground.

feel sorry for the lad who got injured... most people dont need to know and most likely will find out somehow.. but not from here.

dill.

sorry dill but thats a total crock... naming names is a big call especially if they dont knwo anything or get facts wrong... there have been no major insidences to speak of and certainly nobody has been booted from the team.

on a lighter note the team has played half of the world youth invitational with the under 15 contingent being undefeated and the full squad with 1 loss (both out of 4 games)

The tournament is looking very good for the kangas team

laxmcc

[braves4]

yea absolute crap.

nothing majour has gone on and no parents have been asked to leave any of the grounds.

dill mate, if you arnt in canada and you dont know whats going on i suggest that you dont name any names or make any big calls against the kangas team unless you are 110% sure whats going on.

laxmcc is spot on, with the U15 kangas team playing tomorrow for a place in the grand final and the U18 team only losing 1 games so far which is alot better than what half of australia thought we would do....

braves4

[Dill.Lax36]

well lax supporter asked for some info.. and that's all i heard, never said i was 100% sure that it was that person who got into a fight...
thats why i said 'apparently'

sorry if i continued on any false rumours.
thats all i've heard floating around.

[ryan.lax]

Taylor fish i have somthing of yous that got droped in my luggage worth a lot of $$$ email me your adress and ill send it to you. um i dont know how it ended up in my lugage. peace bruh!