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lil dogg
03-23-2008, 12:18 AM
Who do you think the best country at lacrosse is?
CaliforniaLaxer
03-23-2008, 01:10 AM
USA or Canada. Lax is Canadas second sport, first, obviously, is hockey so they bleed and breathe lax. America is America.
canuklax
03-23-2008, 01:16 AM
USA or Canada. Lax is Canadas second sport, first, obviously, is hockey so they bleed and breathe lax. America is America.
Uh actually Lacrosse i Canada's Natural sport, the problem with people is they forget that and think hockey is because we are for the most part hockey nuts. But now they are saying for textbooks that lacrosse is the national summer sport and hockey is the national winter sport.
but lacrosse has been and will always truely be canadas national sport.
and im going to say canada is the best because we basically produce most of the greats, not saying the US doesnt. Oh and im going to have to say that Ontario produces the best Lax players
bluedevil49
03-23-2008, 02:21 AM
At present it has got to be Canada.
Current World Field Lacrosse Champions.
Current World Indoor Lacrosse Champions.
Unless you mean Women's, in which case it's Australia.
Artjom
03-23-2008, 04:32 AM
Since they compete with a team at ILF tournaments, I think the Iroquois Nationals should be at least mentioned. Considering their game against Canada at the last Indoor Gold Medal Game in '07, I would rate them a close first (the reason they do not win that many gold-ware is that they are most of the time do not sport their best team. Many players consider a commitment to the national team less interestin (from a financial point of view) then their particapation to a indian box lacrosse league).
Greetings
Artjom
lax.widow
03-28-2008, 06:42 AM
Go chicks lacrosse! Go Aussies
Dill.Lax36
03-28-2008, 07:51 AM
I'd have to say Usa n Canada are the two Top teams. i've never watched a game played between either teams, but I've heard Canada are very good.
So im going
#1 Canada
#2 USA - Just under..
sidewinder19
03-28-2008, 08:05 AM
Canada... hands down...
Defman69
04-01-2008, 10:07 AM
It has to be USA, just because its a more physical game, when the Canadians play more finesse than down and dirty. Canada has one the past few tournaments, but the US would beat them when it comes to being strong and physical, which is what the game is about
TOP SH3LF
04-01-2008, 12:47 PM
EASY:
Box - Canada
Field - USA
But it's always getting closer in both, even more so in field.
Popsi
04-01-2008, 02:09 PM
Defman i think u said that backwords
Twiggsy_25
04-01-2008, 02:11 PM
it has to be canada without a doubt.
they are ranked number 1 in the world in both field and box, as they have won both most recently in the world champs
Wavelax4
04-01-2008, 03:20 PM
I would have to say Canada for box and field. USA has had their years when they've beat Canada, but as of recently definitely Canada. I dont get how they do that when typically they only have one hand.
sidewinder19
04-01-2008, 03:23 PM
It has to be USA, just because its a more physical game, when the Canadians play more finesse than down and dirty. Canada has one the past few tournaments, but the US would beat them when it comes to being strong and physical, which is what the game is about
Don't you mean it the other way?
Canada is ore physical, USAX is more finesse. But Canadians still have the better stick skills... so really americans have nothing on the canadians...
HotShotLacrosse
04-01-2008, 04:00 PM
Canada is best at Box and the USA is the best at Field.
bluedevil49
04-01-2008, 05:38 PM
Let's see. The posted question was "Who do you think the best country at lacrosse is?"
Now this is just an idea I have, but the best way to decide which country is the best at lacrosse is to have a world championship every 4 years or so. You get each country to field their best team. Then have some sort of round robin competition to establish some minor placings then have some sort of finals to get the 2 best teams to play each other. The winner of that final is the worlds best country.
You could even do it for box lacrosse in a different year to the field championships.
cannon
04-01-2008, 06:39 PM
BD, you should suggest this format to the ILF!
lacrosseking2
04-01-2008, 07:27 PM
USA in field and Canada in box
Sardo
04-01-2008, 08:07 PM
USA in field and Canada in box
Canada in field too because when they go from playing in small cramped indoor quarters to playing on an open wide spread field with a bigger net it makes it a lot easier to score goals like it's a joke to Canadians when they think of the outdoor game because it requires much less skill
VianneyLax22
04-01-2008, 08:34 PM
Don't you mean it the other way?
Canada is ore physical, USAX is more finesse. But Canadians still have the better stick skills... so really americans have nothing on the canadians...
besides the fact that we have roughly more people in california than you do in your entire country...
but to the topic on hand, its two totally different games but to sayy canadians have better stick skills isn't really accurate
1. you guys can use pockets that are 1+ balls deep
2. you can also use rediculously pinched sticks
so idk what your talking about
Twiggsy_25
04-02-2008, 12:54 AM
there are a lot of people from different countries on here. I dont know how anyone can say that at the moment USA is the best, when it is clearly canada. if you think usa is the best at least give a reason, even though at the moment it can't be proven, and it wont be until 2010.
TOP SH3LF
04-02-2008, 08:23 AM
So whoever wins the WLC is the undoubted best country for the next four years? When someone wins a gold medal we don't necessarily call them the best at their sport/event for the next four years. I think that the WLC argument would be more effective if the championship was a best of seven perhaps. Any given team can win one game, but only a great team can win 4 of 7. Look at the Mann Cup for instance, 7 games in 9 nights is a true test of a team. It needs to be a real lax battle to call your country the best in the world for four years uncontested, I don't think one game justifies it.
butzie30
04-02-2008, 09:20 AM
I think that overall the usa has better players, but Canada has a better team and it was proven in the box and field world championships.
TOP SH3LF
04-02-2008, 10:02 AM
Funny how my post got deleted... Must have been by one of our mods that didn't agree.
It probably got deleted because you basically called every American lacrosse player a sissy. Not that it bothered me but rules are rules I suppose.
There are a lot of great lacrosse players, Canadian and American, I think thats a ridiculous statement to make.
TOP SH3LF
04-02-2008, 10:15 AM
Also, I don't think there is any weight in an argument about stick width/depth. It's not the wand, it's the wizard.
With the rate talent develops now, and the continued expansion of lacrosse around the world, 4 years is just too long to wait to crown the next champion. The world games should be every 2 years or have a similar event that mimcs the format and falls in between WLC. I don't think it would lose any interest or spectacle. And to echo my previous post, take a page from the Mann Cup and make it 7 games in 9 or 10 days. A true lacrosse battle for supremacy!
KnightsLAXDad
04-02-2008, 11:16 AM
It probably got deleted because you basically called every American lacrosse player a sissy. Not that it bothered me but rules are rules I suppose.
There are a lot of great lacrosse players, Canadian and American, I think thats a ridiculous statement to make.
Bingo! We have a winner.
Posts got deleted by me, Canadian SuperMod, because they were derogatory and trolling for an argument.
KLD.
Bretmac
04-02-2008, 03:59 PM
besides the fact that we have roughly more people in california than you do in your entire country...
but to the topic on hand, its two totally different games but to sayy canadians have better stick skills isn't really accurate
1. you guys can use pockets that are 1+ balls deep
2. you can also use rediculously pinched sticks
so idk what your talking about
but for the championships we have to play to the WLC rules and so do the americans...
canuklax
04-02-2008, 04:43 PM
besides the fact that we have roughly more people in california than you do in your entire country...
but to the topic on hand, its two totally different games but to sayy canadians have better stick skills isn't really accurate
1. you guys can use pockets that are 1+ balls deep
2. you can also use rediculously pinched sticks
so idk what your talking about
Like TOPSH3LF said, its the wizard not the wand. It is a common miassumption that every canadian player play with super deep pockets and pinched sticks. Half the kids that i play with have field legal sticks( width and pocket depth) not to mention the pinched stick and deep pocket thing was made because of Box, we play field aswell. Not to mention that when we play field we are coming from 4' x4' nets, so adding 2' to height and width of a goal really makes a difference, not to mention the smaller goal.
If you were to take a above average american field player and put him in Boxla and take a above average canadian box player and put him on a american field team, id be willing to bet that the box player would be better off than the field player.
aussielax
04-02-2008, 11:01 PM
there are a lot of people from different countries on here. I dont know how anyone can say that at the moment USA is the best, when it is clearly canada. if you think usa is the best at least give a reason, even though at the moment it can't be proven, and it wont be until 2010.
The US has only lost 2 games in international lacrosse history these have both been world games finals A pretty good record. The US has NCAA lacrosse which is the highest quality lacrosse competition in the world. As well as the only professional outdoor lacrosse league in the world the MLL. So although the Canadians are the current world champions and we all like to hate on the US, The US does have a much stronger lacrosse base than any other nation.
I think the title of the best lacrosse nation in the world is always going to be a debatable topic. Until we have a more effective and frequent international system of lacrosse (something like what soccer, rugby union or cricket have) the best lacrosse nation in the world will not be able to be determined by a 2 week tournament every 4 years.
Eagle Middie
05-31-2008, 05:01 PM
I say we go to Iraq. Put 4 goals on each side of a field that is 20 miles long and 10 miles wide.
We get all the lacrosse players high school and up from Canada and America, put them on this field with eight balls and blow a whistle.
laxmj1992
05-31-2008, 06:34 PM
Also, I don't think there is any weight in an argument about stick width/depth. It's not the wand, it's the wizard.
What about the elder wand in Harry Potter and the Deathly Hollows? That wand is far superior at killing somebody compared to any other wand in the world.
AHS_laxer
05-31-2008, 06:39 PM
its canada. for sure. we rock the world with our aggresivness. we scare goalies with our wicked for/back hand. last but not least, watch the canadians in the MLL... watch their feet...DANGLES. we got the footwork, the stick work, the power, the aggresivness, and the pride.:chuckle:
the only thing we aren't good at is sucking balls.
rgriego
05-31-2008, 07:20 PM
thats why field lacrosse should be a summer olympic sport,and box a winter olympic sport.
AHS_laxer
05-31-2008, 07:40 PM
thats why field lacrosse should be a summer olympic sport,and box a winter olympic sport.
I couldn't agree more.
FREE FRED
05-31-2008, 07:48 PM
thats why field lacrosse should be a summer olympic sport,and box a winter olympic sport.
Both belong in the sumemr sports. The only Boxla in the winter is modified indoor.
I think Australia and England have made the greatest leaps and bounds as per lacrosse developement among the 1st group countries. With Italy leading all the lower group countries in lacrosse developement( thats nationaly gorwn, not NA grown playing for italia).
SoCald
05-31-2008, 11:53 PM
Don't you mean it the other way?
Canada is ore physical, USAX is more finesse. But Canadians still have the better stick skills... so really americans have nothing on the canadians...
from what ive heard from...everyone... canadians are meatheads w/o an offhand... but yea US is probably more athletic
lukeoz
06-01-2008, 07:33 PM
Both belong in the sumemr sports. The only Boxla in the winter is modified indoor.
I think Australia and England have made the greatest leaps and bounds as per lacrosse developement among the 1st group countries. With Italy leading all the lower group countries in lacrosse developement( thats nationaly gorwn, not NA grown playing for italia).
australia and england have been on the lacrosse scene from year dot ... the development has remained pretty stagnant for a long time, but hopefully we can up the ante in the near future!!
rgriego
06-01-2008, 10:26 PM
i dont think it'll be long till we see aisan countries like japan and china trying it out
aussielax
06-01-2008, 11:38 PM
i dont think it'll be long till we see aisan countries like japan and china trying it out
hahaha Japan have been "trying it out" for 20 years now. They have played at the last 3 world championships and behind the US and Canada have the most players of any nation.
Some of you guys really need to read up on international lacrosse before posting in this thread.
The US has only lost 2 games in international lacrosse history these have both been world games finals A pretty good record. The US has NCAA lacrosse which is the highest quality lacrosse competition in the world. As well as the only professional outdoor lacrosse league in the world the MLL. So although the Canadians are the current world champions and we all like to hate on the US, The US does have a much stronger lacrosse base than any other nation.
That's putting down the entire Canadian minor lacrosse system. We start 'em young, around age 4, and even start FULL contact at age 8. Some guys who enter the NCAA are 15-year vets compared to the Americans who started in grade 8.
ChiefsLacrosse1
06-02-2008, 02:25 PM
from what ive heard from...everyone... canadians are meatheads w/o an offhand... but yea US is probably more athletic
i know i may be wrong, but assuming from your name, you play in California...who on earth do you know personally know that has ever played against a canuck.
I know that the majority of the kids only have one hand, but theres a large handful who could likely dummy high schoolers. Why do you think colleges are beginning to recruit north of the border? just look at Greer, is he a meathead with one hand? look at John Grant Jr/Sr, both of the gaits, Ryan Benesch, Dan Carey, Dan Dawson, Colin Doyle, both Evans, Brodie Merrill, Tom Marechek, Blaine Manning, Tracey Kelusky, the entire Powless family, the entire Sanderson family, Ratcliffe, Steinhuis, Snider....shall i continue?
oh yeah, and heres all this talk about just the world championships.
...remind me where the past 2 Tournament of Champions have been from?
kleinlax-75
06-02-2008, 03:09 PM
americans will say the US
canadians will say canada
in all the US has won alot more ILF Championships
rwlax
06-02-2008, 03:35 PM
Canada and usa
bluedevil49
06-02-2008, 07:06 PM
in all the US has won alot more ILF Championships
Agreed, but at present, they are not the best. Until 2010 rolls around, Canada retains the title of Worlds best.
Every country had the opportunity to put their best team together. Every team (in the top division) had the opportunities to make the finals. 2 teams had the opportunity to become World Champions. 1 team did and for the next four years they get to be called World Champions.
Some people will argue that 1 game doesn't make them world champions. In this case it does. If the World Championship doesn't decide which country is the best at lacrosse, which global competition does?
Dill.Lax36
06-02-2008, 07:24 PM
Agreed, but at present, they are not the best. Until 2010 rolls around, Canada retains the title of Worlds best.
Every country had the opportunity to put their best team together. Every team (in the top division) had the opportunities to make the finals. 2 teams had the opportunity to become World Champions. 1 team did and for the next four years they get to be called World Champions.
Some people will argue that 1 game doesn't make them world champions. In this case it does. If the World Championship doesn't decide which country is the best at lacrosse, which global competition does?
Spot on.... couldn't get a better explanation anywhere else.
Hope this stops the little arguments goin around about 'the best country at lacrosse'...
aussielax
06-02-2008, 11:14 PM
That's putting down the entire Canadian minor lacrosse system. We start 'em young, around age 4, and even start FULL contact at age 8. Some guys who enter the NCAA are 15-year vets compared to the Americans who started in grade 8.
I'm not trying to put anybody down. I know you guys do well with what you've got (the same as we do!) It's just simply by numbers the US has the best base for field lacrosse.
J.Butler
06-11-2008, 03:38 AM
think Australia and England have made the greatest leaps and bounds as per lacrosse developement among the 1st group countries. With Italy leading all the lower group countries in lacrosse developement( thats nationaly gorwn, not NA grown playing for italia).
so true. australia, england, and italy actually hold their own quite well, internationally, considering the player base, the amount of practice we get, and how we dont play field all year round.
Edit - with regards to post #48
What about Germany - first clubs only started 15 yrs ago
Kr3wLaxUno
06-11-2008, 11:12 AM
Well if Canada and the USA were combined as one giant country then i know who would be the best.... the USAC (United States of America and Canada)
RedmondLonghorn
06-11-2008, 11:54 AM
If you are talking about individual skills, the answer is Canada. If you are talking about box, the answer is Canada...obviously. If you are talking about team field lacrosse, the answer is the US, notwithstanding the most recent world championship results.
But that is only because field isn't really a focus in Canada. If they focused on field like they do on box, I would imagine they would be the best at that as well.
Any of you who aren't giving serious respect to the ability of Canadian players clearly haven't played with or against them.
LaxinGill15
06-11-2008, 03:25 PM
i live in the US and hands down it has to be canada
AHS_laxer
06-11-2008, 04:42 PM
If you are talking about individual skills, the answer is Canada. If you are talking about box, the answer is Canada...obviously. If you are talking about team field lacrosse, the answer is the US, notwithstanding the most recent world championship results.
But that is only because field isn't really a focus in Canada. If they focused on field like they do on box, I would imagine they would be the best at that as well.
Any of you who aren't giving serious respect to the ability of Canadian players clearly haven't played with or against them.
field isn't a focus in Canada?:lol:
I agree that more Canadians play box, but seriously. I'm Canadian and field lacrosse is my life. I play box to keep my stick handling in tact, not because "it's like hockey" as all my friends would say. I'm just saying that there are the minority of Canadians who enjoy and focus on field lacrosse more than box.
RedmondLonghorn
06-11-2008, 06:12 PM
field isn't a focus in Canada?:lol:
I agree that more Canadians play box, but seriously. I'm Canadian and field lacrosse is my life. I play box to keep my stick handling in tact, not because "it's like hockey" as all my friends would say. I'm just saying that there are the minority of Canadians who enjoy and focus on field lacrosse more than box.
I made a general statement that field isn't a focus in Canada. You disagreed, said field is your life, but then said that you are in the minority up North.
I think we agree.
FREE FRED
06-11-2008, 11:13 PM
Benesch....... both Evans,
Benesch and Shawn Evans were both booted out of bellarmine for being "meatheads" on and off the field.
laxgoalie4492
06-12-2008, 12:27 AM
Like TOPSH3LF said, its the wizard not the wand. It is a common miassumption that every canadian player play with super deep pockets and pinched sticks. Half the kids that i play with have field legal sticks( width and pocket depth) not to mention the pinched stick and deep pocket thing was made because of Box, we play field aswell. Not to mention that when we play field we are coming from 4' x4' nets, so adding 2' to height and width of a goal really makes a difference, not to mention the smaller goal.
If you were to take a above average american field player and put him in Boxla and take a above average canadian box player and put him on a american field team, id be willing to bet that the box player would be better off than the field player.
ok, you can make the argument about the goals, but put in players with 6 foot poles, and a goalie that actually has some skill and doesnt just move over 3 inches to make a save and its not so easy to score anymore
RedmondLonghorn
06-12-2008, 01:57 AM
Clearly you haven't seen any shots from box players cranked at you from three steps off the crease.
Play a Canadian field team that isn't just thrown together for a tournament, then get back to us.
Dill.Lax36
06-12-2008, 05:04 AM
im really suprised with how long this thread has been going on.
its so pointless.
it's like argueing who has the longest....
you get the picture.