deflected shots

[Charle5]

An attackman shoots on the goal, the shot is deflected off the leg of another attackman and the ball goes over the line. Does it still count as a shot or will the possesion go to the defensive team..???

[jmk2910]

im pretty sure it still counts as a shot, but im not 100% on this

[LaxRef]

It is still a shot. And ouch!

[FWHS Mustang]

yes a shot. if a guy shoots and it deflects off a defender it still is a shot too. the only thing that stops a shot from being a shot, is if possesion is gained. meaning, it could bounce off 5 guys and go out of bounds it would still be a shot.

[LaxRef]

yes a shot. if a guy shoots and it deflects off a defender it still is a shot too. the only thing that stops a shot from being a shot, is if possesion is gained.

Um, no. As penance, go look this up in the rulebook and report back to us when a shot is no longer a shot. Possession being gained is only one way.

[flagman]

How about in the Georgetown/Navy game with 2:13 left in the 4th quarter, Navy shot, Navy guy tries to scoop, it continues OOB and the officials awarded it to Georgetown; erroneously me and coach Meade say. He was much more vocal than I and I don't blame him, not sure why they called that.

[LaxRef]

How about in the Georgetown/Navy game with 2:13 left in the 4th quarter, Navy shot, Navy guy tries to scoop, it continues OOB and the officials awarded it to Georgetown; erroneously me and coach Meade say. He was much more vocal than I and I don't blame him, not sure why they called that.

The officials must have read this rule:

A.R. 32. Deflected shot at goal, the ball rolling toward boundary line. A1, in trying to
pick up the ball, does not gain possession, and the ball goes out of bounds. A1 is nearest
to the out-of-bounds spot. RULING: Ball awarded to Team A.

[AMDG Lax]

I had this exact scenario in a recent game. As I saw the play, the momentum of the shot (by A1) clearly would not have carried the ball OOB. But the attempt by A2 to scoop the dribbling ball did knock it OOB. To my mind, it was no longer a missed shot-OOB. It was a simple OOB, and I awarded the ball to Team B since Team A had last contact with what was now, to me, a loose ball.

The senior ref overruled me, and gave it to A. I still think he was wrong about that, esp since he was 30 yards away, and I was right at the end line.

I seem to recall that the rules, somewhere, allow the shooting team to retain possession if the momentum of the shot, and only that, carries the ball out of bounds.

No worries - just one of those things.

[BBMF]

I had this exact scenario in a recent game. As I saw the play, the momentum of the shot (by A1) clearly would not have carried the ball OOB. But the attempt by A2 to scoop the dribbling ball did knock it OOB. To my mind, it was no longer a missed shot-OOB. It was a simple OOB, and I awarded the ball to Team B since Team A had last contact with what was now, to me, a loose ball.

The senior ref overruled me, and gave it to A. I still think he was wrong about that, esp since he was 30 yards away, and I was right at the end line.

I seem to recall that the rules, somewhere, allow the shooting team to retain possession if the momentum of the shot, and only that, carries the ball out of bounds.

No worries - just one of those things.

Here is what the rule book says:
"Note: A shot or deflected shot remains a shot until the ball comes to rest on the field of play, a player gains possession of the ball, the ball goes out of bounds or a player causes the ball to go out of bounds."

I always lean towards letting it stay a shot unless it comes to rest. This can also be an easy game management scenario.

[AMDG Lax]

Here is what the rule book says:
"Note: A shot or deflected shot remains a shot until the ball comes to rest on the field of play, a player gains possession of the ball, the ball goes out of bounds or a player causes the ball to go out of bounds."

I always lean towards letting it stay a shot unless it comes to rest. This can also be an easy game management scenario.

Yep, can't argue with that. Given this, a smart player (from the shooting team), on approaching the dribbling loose ball should just smack it out of bounds. This rule would reward that with possession. I don't agree with that philosophy, but that's what the rule would encourage.

[LaxRef]

Yep, can't argue with that. Given this, a smart player (from the shooting team), on approaching the dribbling loose ball should just smack it out of bounds. This rule would reward that with possession. I don't agree with that philosophy, but that's what the rule would encourage.

My approach is that if it would have stayed in and you knock it out, it's OOB off you. But if it was going out and you touch it while trying to scoop it, it's still a shot.

[Beacher]

Yep, can't argue with that. Given this, a smart player (from the shooting team), on approaching the dribbling loose ball should just smack it out of bounds. This rule would reward that with possession. I don't agree with that philosophy, but that's what the rule would encourage.

But in that case a player is causing the ball to go OOB.

Note: A shot or deflected shot remains a shot until the ball comes to rest on the field of play, a player gains possession of the ball, the ball goes out of bounds or a player causes the ball to go out of bounds.

Therefore his opponents get the ball.

[flagman]

Beacher, where is that last quote from? The momentum of the shot in the Navy/Georgetown game would have carried it OOB, but given the above quote by Beacher, perhaps that was the right call. I have not seen that previously, but I'll be looking tonight.

[laxfan25]

The way I have always handled this is if the ball goes out of bounds under its own momentum it is still a shot - even if it deflects off one or more players or sticks. If a player goes to scoop and end up flipping the ball out of bounds - that was no longer a shot and we're going the other direction. I've never had a complaint - more so just surprise when informed that a deflection still is awarded as on a shot.
I had a college game the other night - A1 shot, it bounced off A2's stick behind the goal and was rolling toward the endline. A2 went chasing after it and stopped it short of the endline while his momentum carried him well out of bounds. B1 came up and scooped up the ball and cleared it upfield. A1 told A2 - "it would have been our ball if you hadn't stopped it - right,ref?" I agreed, and A2 learned a valuable lesson for the future.

[Beacher]

Flagman, I was just quoting AMDG, who was in turn quoting BBMF. With a quick search i found NCAA Section 6 AR 32
Deflected shot at goal, the ball rolling toward boundary line. A1, in trying to pick up the ball, does not gain possession, and the ball goes out of bounds. A1 is nearest to the out-of-bounds spot.
RULING: Ball awarded to Team A.

My experience comes from ILF:
40.3.iii) A shot or deflected shot remains a shot until:
- the ball comes to rest on the field of play;
- or a player gains possession of the ball;
- or the ball goes out-of-bounds;
- or a player deliberately causes the ball to go out-of-bounds.

[flagman]

Thanks for the clarification Beacher. I'll dig through my NCAA & ILF books to see what I come up with, maybe they just figured it would not have gone OOB.

[LaxRef]

Flagman, I was just quoting AMDG, who was in turn quoting BBMF. With a quick search i found NCAA Section 6 AR 32

You could have just looked about 10 posts above in this thread!

[flagman]

No matter, I was reviewing the recording of that game and it appeared the ball would have come to rest well within the sideline boundary and the attackman in attempting to scoop it actually knocked it OOB.