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Okay, today's quiz:
Without looking, can you name the illegal procedure offenses (there are 27 in the NCAA rulebook) that have their own signal (not the illegal procedure signal)?
Those of a Federation inclination can ponder the 20 Illegal procedure offenses
in that book.
Tie-breaker: Which seven of the ncaa illegal procedure offenses are NOT listed in the Fed. rulebook?
CoachRob
12-02-2004, 08:16 PM
Way to go eme. Thanks for posting a quiz!
LaxRef
12-03-2004, 07:06 AM
Okay, today's quiz:
Without looking, can you name the illegal procedure offenses (there are 27 in the NCAA rulebook) that have their own signal (not the illegal procedure signal)?
I doubt I can without looking, but I'll try:
Illegal touching
Stalling
Failure to advance
Crease violation
Plus I think they say "any interference with the goalie of a techincal nature" is illegal procedure, and usually we just use the interference signal for that. That doesn't quite qualify as "is own signal," but its not the illegal procedure signal either.
I'll see what else I can come up with later.
CoachRob
12-03-2004, 08:28 AM
I know there are exactly 20 illegal procedures listed (I’ve tried to memorize them in order; no such luck). The ones that I THINK have their own signals are:
Failure to advance
Stalling
Re-entry of crease
Interference
Crease violation
Substitution Infraction
Illegal touching (of the ball)
But things like illegal crosse in the face, or avoidable lateness by a team, don’t have signals that I know of. I listed stalling, although offensive stalling and defensive stalling are separately defined technical fouls. But I would consider it a stall when a player holds onto the ball and doesn’t give it to the ref in a timely manner.
That’s the best I can do, eme.
LaxRef and CR: You guys are very very good. Coach Rob has all four listed among his seven and I'll bet he can whittle his list. Laxref is close, too.
Stalling (with its own signal) is NOT the same thing as delay of game.
Now, since I can look at the book...
There is (was) a new illegal procedure in 2004 in the NCAA book. It is listed as aa (after z). It states:
Failing to comply with any rules for entering the field of play, either intentionally or unintentionally.
Why is this mentioned since it would be covered else where by a) a substitution infraction, b) too many men on the field or c) one of those 3 funky USC releaseable penalties. ?????
LaxRef
12-03-2004, 09:12 AM
There is (was) a new illegal procedure in 2004 in the NCAA book. It is listed as aa (after z). It states:
Failing to comply with any rules for entering the field of play, either intentionally or unintentionally.
Why is this mentioned since it would be covered else where by a) a substitution infraction, b) too many men on the field or c) one of those 3 funky USC releaseable penalties. ?????
IIRC, they took out the releasable USC penalty associated with what is now illegal procedure rule aa. Then they forgot to change the wording of the comment below that section, saying that d-f were releasable when it should have been merely "d and e." But I'm still not looking at my rulebook because I'm trying to think of the other signals.
Obviously, I forgot illegal reentry and substitution infraction in my list. Illegal reentry may count twice since both reentering the defensive area and reentering the crease are fouls. Similarly, failure to advance is used for he 4-seecond crease count, the 10-second (or, this year, 20-second) defensive count, and the 10-second offensive count.
excellent "catch" of my error. Yes, they did take out #3 of the USC releasabl(the f one).
It's still there in Fed. book.
Laxref_36
12-03-2004, 04:00 PM
Without the book.
1. Illegal Touching
2. Illegal Screen
3. Failure to Advance/Clear the ball
4. Witholding the ball from play
5. Warding
6. re-entry of the crease
7. Delay of Game
8. Playing without a crosse
9. illegal equiptment
10. Mouthpiece Violation
11. offsides
12. Illegal Substitution
13. Interference
14. Re-Entry of Defensive Clearing Line
Help...
Snake~eyes
12-03-2004, 04:25 PM
Without the book.
1. Illegal Touching
2. Illegal Screen
3. Failure to Advance/Clear the ball
4. Witholding the ball from play
5. Warding
6. re-entry of the crease
7. Delay of Game
8. Playing without a crosse
9. illegal equiptment
10. Mouthpiece Violation
11. offsides
12. Illegal Substitution
13. Interference
14. Re-Entry of Defensive Clearing Line
Help...
Playing out of bounds
5 or more long crosses
Faceoff violations
Calling timeout with out any left
Equipment Challenge
Still thinking...
LaxRef
12-03-2004, 05:09 PM
2. Illegal Screen
4. Witholding the ball from play
5. Warding
9. illegal equiptment
11. offsides
13. Interference
Still without the book:
I think the ones above are all their own technical fouls, not part of illegal procedure (except for illegal equipment which is a personal foul). But you're right about the illegal procedure for mouthpiece (which does have its own signal; that was a suggestion I had about three years ago and they put it in).
Interference is its own technical foul , but we use that signal for goallie interference, which I believe is illegal procedure, so that counts.
In the NCAA book in the drawings of official signals page 87 it says "...(or point to other illegal equipment)." This phrase is missing from the Federation book page 54.
So, I guess we point at our mouths in a "Me Hungry" or "I Need Food" gesture....
LaxRef
12-03-2004, 05:43 PM
In the NCAA book in the drawings of official signals page 87 it says "...(or point to other illegal equipment)." This phrase is missing from the Federation book page 54.
So, I guess we point at our mouths in a "Me Hungry" or "I Need Food" gesture....
Yep, that's what I was doing anyway, so that was my suggestion a few years ago. And I only made the suggestion to the NCAA.
Snake~eyes
12-03-2004, 05:44 PM
But you're right about the illegal procedure for mouthpiece (which does have its own signal; that was a suggestion I had about three years ago and they put it in).
That illegal procedure is for NCAA only. Correct? :argue:
My quiz, so I get to look at the NCAA book. I couldn't have done it without looking.
I have as the answer:
1. Illegal touching of ball 6-6-a
2. sub violation 6-6-j
3. crease violation 6-6- k
4. failure to advance 6-6- u
5. mouthpiece violation 6-6-y
All of the above and only the above listed as illegal procedure have their own separate signals. Answer would be the same using the Fed. rulebook except for the mouthpiece violation (it's a minute locked in).
LaxRef
12-03-2004, 06:59 PM
That illegal procedure is for NCAA only. Correct? :argue:
Yep, in NFHS a mouthpiece violation in a 1:00 NR; in NCAA, it's ilegal procedure.
One of my NCAA suggestions this year was to make having a mouthpiece but not wearing it an illegal procedure technical foul BUT to make not having a mouthpiece at all--or having one that was illegal--a 1:00 NR foul. I can't remember if they used this one or not; I think it made it into the list of proposals, but maybe didn't make the final cut.