do overs?

[HdGLaxWarrior]

ok, so this happened twice in my game earlier today.

the team we played had too many players on the field on two separate occasions on a face-off. and once my teams coaches brought this to the refs attention he blew the whistle and counted and sure enough, they had too many men on the field. and both times the ref said to do it over again? i couldn't believe it at first when i heard it. both times it was because the coaches for their team thought the penalty they were serving was released.

so i want to know if this should've been done.

[Zach]

The few times it's happened here, I believe the ref called illegal procedure and gave the team with the right number of players the ball. However, one time the extra guys kind of took their time getting off and they got a delay of game.

I'm not 100% on them being the correct calls though.

[MElaxRef]

There is not enough information in the description to decide the correct call.

If the timekeeper, who is a defacto member of the officiating crew, releases an opponent, B2, from the penalty areaearly, then the situation is considered to be a mistake by the officials. In this case, a "do over" can be a correct resolution.

If the opposing player, B2 leaves the penalty area early on his own, then the correct resolution is an illegal procedure penalty. This would give your team the ball, if the ball was loose or in possession of your opponent, or an additional 30 seconds on B2, if your team has possession at the time.

As Zach notes, if the extra players don't hustle off of the field, an illegal procedure call for delay of game is also possible.

Finally, a good official will take the level of play into account. Expect these rules to be enforced tightly for varsity games; USL under 10 games are often considered to be a training opportunity for everyone, players, coaches and officials.

[HdGLaxWarrior]

i believe both situations occurred on non-releasable penalties. and then it was the coachs/players fault.

this just really bothers me because the refs in my area already don't like my team so i think we are at an unfair disadvantage from the start.

[MElaxRef]

i believe both situations occurred on non-releasable penalties. and then it was the coachs/players fault.

this just really bothers me because the refs in my area already don't like my team so i think we are at an unfair disadvantage from the start.

First point. I still don't have enough information to answer your initial question. BTW, I've probably seen 1 or 2 instances of a player leaving the penalty area early in 30 years of officiating. That is why I suspect that your games are not being properly administered.

[a] If there is no game clock, then it is all up to the timekeeper. If the timekeeper says a penalty is released, then the player should release. If the timekeeper is wrong, that is not the player's fault.
[b] If there is a game clock and if the timekeeper is foolish enough to run a separate penalty clock, then the timekeeper can still screw it up.
[c] If there is no timekeeper, then the home team is at fault.


Second point. Officials have enough to think about without considering whether or not they "like" a team. From our perspective, all that counts is whether a team is playing with skill and within the rules. Every game is a new game for everybody.

Speaking for myself, I never try to remember which player has committed playing fouls, so I don't watch any one player more closely than another for pushes, slashes, etc. I will remember which players have conduct issues, but only within a single game.

So, if none of the officials in your area "like" your team, then there may be members of your team who play out of control or who demonstrate bad sportsmanship.

[HdGLaxWarrior]

First point. I still don't have enough information to answer your initial question. BTW, I've probably seen 1 or 2 instances of a player leaving the penalty area early in 30 years of officiating. That is why I suspect that your games are not being properly administered.

[a] If there is no game clock, then it is all up to the timekeeper. If the timekeeper says a penalty is released, then the player should release. If the timekeeper is wrong, that is not the player's fault.
[b] If there is a game clock and if the timekeeper is foolish enough to run a separate penalty clock, then the timekeeper can still screw it up.
[c] If there is no timekeeper, then the home team is at fault.


Second point. Officials have enough to think about without considering whether or not they "like" a team. From our perspective, all that counts is whether a team is playing with skill and within the rules. Every game is a new game for everybody.

Speaking for myself, I never try to remember which player has committed playing fouls, so I don't watch any one player more closely than another for pushes, slashes, etc. I will remember which players have conduct issues, but only within a single game.

So, if none of the officials in your area "like" your team, then there may be members of your team who play out of control or who demonstrate bad sportsmanship.

no, its just a general dislike. i've seen it time and time again playing through rec all the way to HS. some officials are great, others not so much.

[pboyd]

Back to the original question: A.R. 4.22 Situation B indicates that officials should not start play following a horn with too few or too many players. Ruling is Illegal Procedure - delay of game. You get 20 secs to have all players in the right positions following a horn.

[CardinalPuff]

Back to the original question: A.R. 4.22 Situation B indicates that officials should not start play following a horn with too few or too many players. Ruling is Illegal Procedure - delay of game. You get 20 secs to have all players in the right positions following a horn.

and if you restart play before your timer goes off and turned it off?