New Face off rule with only 10 players

[DaytonLax]

NCAA - What would be the technically correct thing to do if there is IP on the faceoff, but the team committing the offense has only 10 players eligible to play?

[LaxRef]

NCAA - What would be the technically correct thing to do if there is IP on the faceoff, but the team committing the offense has only 10 players eligible to play?

Forfeit! :chuckle:

Just kidding! I would presume that the offender would have to run off the field, then come back on. But this is one of those cases where the rules don't tell us exactly what to do--Syracuse and Princeton are never going to have this happen!--and you have to do what you think is right.

In principle, the most fair thing would be for offender A1 to run off the field, step on the field, step off the field, then come back on, because that would simulate what would happen if they wanted to keep him on and they had a sub. But there's no way you're going to be able to explain that to A1 and get a quick restart!

[laxcomm]

As has happened many times in the past few years, the NCAA Rules Committee has failed to look at all scenarios when they implement a new rule. All to often they forget that the vast majority of teams are not Duke, Hopkins, MD, NC, VA, Navy, Army, et al. Officials should get ready to receive a midseason supplement to the 2008 rules.

[eme]

The NCAA Rules Committee formulates the rules for the USILA/NCAA member teams. The Committee's constituency is NOT the MCLA club teams although these teams use the NCAA rulebook.

That being said, no, the rules don't state what to do when a team has just 10 players. Neither do the rules state what to do if a UFO lands on the field during a game.

In other words, of the many hundreds of USILA/NCAA and MCLA teams out there...how many show up at a game with 10 players?

[laxsavage]

We had this situation a couple weeks ago in an MCLA game. Faceoff man just ran over, jumped in the box, then ran back onto the field.

I have another question about the faceoff rule though -- I have seen fogos clamp early and rake the ball way out behind them (sometimes intentionally, sometimes reflex), so they get called and have to get off the field, but the opposing fogo has to go retrieve the ball from around the box, which kills any fast break opportunity. What, if anything, should be done in this situation?

[laxcomm]

Some time ago (well before the 10 and 20 second counts) the NCAA Rules stated that if a team was "man down" they could not be called for stalling. But, the rule book had an AR (approved ruling) to deal with the situation when a team had only only 10 players to start the game and someone was ejected therefore leaving a team with only 9 players. The ruling was that they could not be called for stalling when the penalty clock was running and once the penalty was over they could get a stalling warning even though they had only 9 players.

The great Frenchy Julien was involved in writing the rules at that time and he used to think of all the different scenarios before a rule was put into the rule book. As I said in my earlier e-mail, the current powers on the rules committee fail to do this when they come up with new rules.

[LaxRef]

Some time ago (well before the 10 and 20 second counts) the NCAA Rules stated that if a team was "man down" they could not be called for stalling. But, the rule book had an AR (approved ruling) to deal with the situation when a team had only only 10 players to start the game and someone was ejected therefore leaving a team with only 9 players. The ruling was that they could not be called for stalling when the penalty clock was running and once the penalty was over they could get a stalling warning even though they had only 9 players.

The great Frenchy Julien was involved in writing the rules at that time and he used to think of all the different scenarios before a rule was put into the rule book. As I said in my earlier e-mail, the current powers on the rules committee fail to do this when they come up with new rules.

Just an FYI to those who don't know: a man-down team can and should be called for stalling under both current NCAA and current NFHS rules if they are not trying to create a scoring opportunity.

[laxcomm]

Laxref, my whole first sentence is the past tense.

[LaxRef]

Laxref, my whole first sentence is the past tense.

I know, but there are people out there that still believe that's a rule, and I just wanted to emphasize that it is no longer a rule. You'd be surprised how many people will read something like that and then say, "Well, I read you can't be called for stalling if you're man down!" The other thing is that your post was only about NCAA, and I wanted it to be clear to everyone that it isn't the case in NFHS either.

I know you know the rule, but I'm always looking at the big picture. :thumbsup: