what's the ruling?

[mustang_lax]

I have STX Fusion gloves and they have mesh for palms. If one of the palms were to rip and have a pretty sizable hole that could be called illegal, would stitching it up with another type of fabric make it Illegal or not???


Dan

[Laxref_36]

I have seen players tape holes that were in their gloves to make them legal. There are two issues with changes to equipment. The first issue is whether the player has by altering the equipment created a safety issue either for themselves or the opponent. The second is does the altering of the equipment create an advantage to the player. I don't see either one of these occuring for you when you re-sew a gloves palm with a different fabric.

[lax_guy666]

i dont think that would be illegal,i mean i know people who cut out the palms ove their gloves and the ref's let them play like that

[LaxRef]

i dont think that would be illegal,i mean i know people who cut out the palms ove their gloves and the ref's let them play like that

Well, they shouldn't. It's a clear violation, and if you see it you have to flag it. If I see palms that have been cut out, I will always flag it since the person is deliberately violating the rules to try to gain an advantage. If they have holes in the palms, I'll tell them to get them taped up, and if they don't then I'll flag them.

[Laxref_36]

Well, they shouldn't. It's a clear violation, and if you see it you have to flag it. If I see palms that have been cut out, I will always flag it since the person is deliberately violating the rules to try to gain an advantage. If they have holes in the palms, I'll tell them to get them taped up, and if they don't then I'll flag them.


The rationale for the flag is two fold. Some players will slip their hands out of their gloves and hold the player they are guarding (a clear advantage). The second piece of this is that if the glove should allow any part of the hand to be exposed, the hand might suffer injury if a stick should hit it (safety).

[LaxRef]

The rationale for the flag is two fold. Some players will slip their hands out of their gloves and hold the player they are guarding (a clear advantage). The second piece of this is that if the glove should allow any part of the hand to be exposed, the hand might suffer injury if a stick should hit it (safety).

Also, they gain an advantage over the people who are following the rules since they have direct contact with the handle, which makes it easier to control the stick.

[senor_k]

Well, if you get hit in the palm of your hand, the mesh stuff isn't going to do much to protect it. And on another matter, what if the glove doesn't come with a full palm, like those Harrow ones? Since that's how they came, the player didn't change them....

[eme]

One of the questions came from Canada...field play up there uses international rules where palms may be cut out, but not fingers.
Federation and NCAA rules here in the States nothing can be cut out. Just put some tape there and ask the ref before the game if the gloves are okay. If they're not, the ref will tell you to cover that hole with tape before the game starts....refs aren't looking to make this call.

[LaxRef]

Well, if you get hit in the palm of your hand, the mesh stuff isn't going to do much to protect it. And on another matter, what if the glove doesn't come with a full palm, like those Harrow ones? Since that's how they came, the player didn't change them....

The rules say that the palms and fingers can't be cut out. It doesn't say that they had to be cut out by the player. Thus, a reasonable interpretation is that gloves that do not cover the hand are illegal.

Of course, this is arguable; the rules really should specify exactly what constitutes illegal gloves. However, they don't even tell you what makes shoulder pads legal. As with many rule sets, they are written with the belief that certain things are understood, and it isn't until people start looking for loopholes that the language gets tightened up.

[mustang_lax]

I wasn't asking if cutting palms was illegal..I know it is. I was asking IF my palms did rip and became illegal, if i stiched the hole up with like a piece of an old t-shirt...would that be illegal?

[BigTony]

I wasn't asking if cutting palms was illegal..I know it is. I was asking IF my palms did rip and became illegal, if i stiched the hole up with like a piece of an old t-shirt...would that be illegal?
I ripped a thumb once and i had a leather worker patch it up. I was never called for it, and I believe the refs have already said that would be ok.

[LaxRef]

I wasn't asking if cutting palms was illegal..I know it is. I was asking IF my palms did rip and became illegal, if i stiched the hole up with like a piece of an old t-shirt...would that be illegal?

LaxRef_36 already answered that: it's legal. If you have any doubts, ask the officials before your game begins.

We've just moved on to talking about other stuff now.

[RockStar]

The rationale for the flag is two fold. Some players will slip their hands out of their gloves and hold the player they are guarding (a clear advantage). The second piece of this is that if the glove should allow any part of the hand to be exposed, the hand might suffer injury if a stick should hit it (safety).

I understand the holding issue. I used to use palmless lacrosse gloves for ball hockey because you can take a fist full of jersey while it appears that you're just laying a flat hand on your check.

I have to disagree with the other issue though....an exposed palm is not an issue as the palm material would do little better than nothing to prevent injury if a player was struck in the palm

[LaxRef]

I understand the holding issue. I used to use palmless lacrosse gloves for ball hockey because you can take a fist full of jersey while it appears that you're just laying a flat hand on your check.

I have to disagree with the other issue though....an exposed palm is not an issue as the palm material would do little better than nothing to prevent injury if a player was struck in the palm

You just stated that with a palmless glove you can stick your whole hand out in order to grab someone's jersey. You now have a completely exposed hand, which you have to admit is at much higher risk of injury than a hand completely inside a glove. Thus, the fact that the palm is cut out makes it possible for a situation where the injury risk is much higher than if the gloves are whole.

In any case, the rules are clear on the issue, regardless of the motivation behind them.

[memphislax]

Thank you mustang lax. That was very educational for me. Actually, I was wondering the same thing myself. I have a pair that my friend let me borrow and the palms are cut out. I was wanted to know if they were legal, but now I do.