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Prof. Mushroom

04-15-2008, 12:56 AM

I don't suggest mentioning Duke being #1 when talking to an...extremely passionate...'Cuse fan.

*Coming from a Hopkins fan.*
I agree (along with many on the Forums) that it does seem poll voters are a little Hopkins bias.
A good post by lax-crazy:
I also agree, hopkins get's to much love. People need to stop joking them and realize that there are other teams. That reminded me of how much love princeton was getting earlyer in the season when they were not delivering. The polls seem more like a popularity contest and not so much of an actual standing.

There is no doubt that the Jays have the talent to do great things, but as of late it hasn't been evident. Hopefully with the win over MD, Hop will start raising the number in the win column. Of course, you must somewhat take into account their extremely tough schedule...(this argument seems a favorite of some people), but I am not saying that that completely justifies their ranking . Though it pains me to say it, I agree that they should not be ranked so high, though I must disagree with you on them not even deserving to be ranked in the Top 20, because if I am not mistaken all of their wins and losses have been against ranked teams except for Hofstra who was unranked at the time of their win over Hop.
The Prof.

stinisonfire

04-15-2008, 01:51 AM

DUKE IS #2 PLAYING WITH 1/2 TEAM 5TH YEAR SENIORS

Serious? Did you forget what happened?

splaxer13

04-15-2008, 05:27 AM

even though Hop has a losing record, they have the toughest schedule in the country. Playing all ACC teams, and numerous teams that are top 20. Top 10 for Hopkins I think is a little high for them right now, but definately top 15.

lax-crazy

04-15-2008, 07:42 AM

at least duke is back at 1... like it should be

HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA

YEA RIGHT

DEPENDS WHAT POLL U LOOK AT

SU #1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PS - SYRACUSE IS #1 - DUKE IS #2 PLAYING WITH 1/2 TEAM 5TH YEAR SENIORS

I love Syracuse a lot, but anyone who thinks they are a better team than Duke is just fooling themselves.

lets look at common team scores.
Duke 17-6 over hopkins 19-9 over UVa 21-8 over loyola 7-11 lose G-town
S.U 14-13 over hopkins 13-14lose UVa 13-8 over loyola 9-8 over G-town

I will just do the point difference +1 for each goal over the other teams and -1 for each goal under the other teams

Duke comes out +11,+10,+13,-4= +30
S.U comes out +1,-1,+5+1 = +6

You have to be kidding me on that. Duke outscores Cuse 27-6 on common ranked opponents. So Cuse is ranked above Duke? Sorry man I love Cuse and all, and hop they face Duke in the finals, but to think that Cuse is better is just not giving credit to Duke.

Also for the hopkins thing they lost to the 1-3 ranked teams, and hofstra (20th or something?) and North Carolina (13th), they beat UMBC(#6) and maryland (#12) As for the 3 loses to UVa, Cuse, and Duke I would obviously put them below that, however they beat a 12th ranked and lost to a 13th ranked. Beat a 6th and lost a 20th. I would honestly rank them like 11 or 12. Not 7th because of a few OT loses to high ranked teams.

Hopkins just gets to much love, so much that I stopped reading the Nike media polls since they just love they big name teams.

chrismpell

04-15-2008, 09:11 AM

SU number one?

Good one.

navylax161

04-15-2008, 11:24 AM

first off, chill with the caps, but ya i definitely agree that hopkins doesnt belong at seven, they have a ton of talent though and do belong in the top twenty, probably around fourteen or fifteen. i kind of do like that though because now if navy beats hopkins next week its more of a valued win in the eyes of the poll voters.

dont joke yourself with the duke-cuse thing. to be honest the only reason syracuse got that top spot was the timing of dukes loss to georgetown. ever since then they havent had enough of a slip up for anybody to say that they should move down.

stegmakk

04-15-2008, 11:38 AM

I agree with lax-crazy's post. Perfect.

If you REALLY want to vent about undeserved rank...try UMBC

lax-crazy

04-15-2008, 12:17 PM

I don't suggest mentioning Duke being #1 when talking to an...extremely passionate...'Cuse fan.

*Coming from a Hopkins fan.*
I agree (along with many on the Forums) that it does seem poll voters are a little Hopkins bias.
A good post by lax-crazy:

There is no doubt that the Jays have the talent to do great things, but as of late it hasn't been evident. Hopefully with the win over MD, Hop will start raising the number in the win column. Of course, you must somewhat take into account their extremely tough schedule...(this argument seems a favorite of some people), but I am not saying that that completely justifies their ranking . Though it pains me to say it, I agree that they should not be ranked so high, though I must disagree with you on them not even deserving to be ranked in the Top 20, because if I am not mistaken all of their wins and losses have been against ranked teams except for Hofstra who was unranked at the time of their win over Hop.
The Prof.

I agree with this. They don't deserve to be in top 7, the "best" ranked team they beat was UMBC. They had close games with SU, UVa, but got blown out by UNC and Duke. I get that they came close a few times, but since when does coming close in 3 games and 2 blowouts leave them at #7.

Also UMBC how are they ranked 6th? there ranked wins are 12,15, and 19, with 2 unranked loses and 1 ranked lose to hopkins.... How are they ranked that high?

lsilaxer131

04-15-2008, 12:29 PM

lax-crazy

04-15-2008, 12:43 PM

UMBC gets their ranking based on perfect timing. They started winning when other teams started losing some tough games. If you can justify ranking Hopkins in the top 10 you can justify giving UMBC the same distinction based on their current win streak. Basically, they got hot when it counted.

no one can really justify why Hopkins is ranked top 10, its people saying that they are a good team but are not delievering. The poll should be based not on the potential of a team but how they have done and are doing.

MNM19

04-15-2008, 12:43 PM

Hopkins is to lacrosse what Ohio State is to college football. Because of their past success, they get insane amounts of credit for things they don't deserve. No matter what, they will always be ranked somewhere in the polls, just as Ohio State will.

laxkid44

04-15-2008, 12:46 PM

i definitely think that Hopkins should not be in the top 10.

Go Cuse'!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

8-ball

04-15-2008, 01:15 PM

considering their schedule, they are still top 15 quality, but not top 10 right now. UMBC is highly over ranked, especially looking at how easy their schedule has been this year. id be highly suprised if they made it past the first round this year. but who knows, maybe theyll get lucky and lose in the second round

Greg.

04-15-2008, 01:50 PM

I love hopkins so I'm not going to complain at all with that ranking, they have the skill to make a run through the end of the season, and be a potential playoff threat.

stegmakk

04-15-2008, 01:52 PM

When I look at rankings, I don't look at close losses or potential...I look at wins...
the more wins over good teams the better...also losses to non-ranked teams in my opinion should take points away from a team.

As much as it pains me to say, Hop does have wins over Prin, UMBC, MD...all ranked...all losses have been to ranked teams...so I wouldn't rank them higher than 10 but they should be somewhere between 15 and 10...purely based on fine, no Hopkins, but then who else is deserving???

1/2 is celarly DUke/Cuse either or...take your pick...
3-5 needs to be UVA, Cornell, Georgetown all mixed up in there...
6-10+ gets a little muddy, as everyone else has faltered and no one is a clear cut choice right now...

spenny

04-15-2008, 02:15 PM

the pollsters are clearly taking strength of schedule into account. a win over mount st marys should be worth less than a one goal loss to syracuse.

SULAX47

04-15-2008, 02:53 PM

Serious? Did you forget what happened?

no i didnt 4get

i was just making a point that the young syracuse team is right up there with duke that has 1/2 a team that should be out of school by now

lsilaxer131

04-15-2008, 03:17 PM

SULAX47, how can you say 5 kids is 1/2 a team? Your a joke, honestly and from other posts of yours I have read its easy to tell you have little knowledge of the college game. As far as a young Syracuse team, their top 6 scorers are all juniors and seniors, as well as their entire starting defense. The exceptions have been White, Galloway and Miller. Other than that they are one of the most experienced teams in the country.

SULAX47

04-15-2008, 03:21 PM

I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THIS SPORT???????

try me

lsilaxer131

04-15-2008, 03:34 PM

Never said you knew nothing about the sport, just said the college game. Just from your rants about "1/2" of Duke's team being fifth years shows you don't know whats going on this year. Dukes top goal scorer is a legit senior and their second highest is a sophomore. Quinzani scored 7 against UVA, which no one else can say this year regardless of age. Your argument that Syracuse is a young team is ridiculous as well, as I have already pointed out. Duke is the class of the NCAA this year, and I am most definitely not a Duke fan.

Prof. Mushroom

04-15-2008, 04:04 PM

no i didnt 4get

i was just making a point that the young syracuse team is right up there with duke that has 1/2 a team that should be out of school by now

According to the rankings, yes, Syracuse is right up there with Duke. But the rankings obviously don't tell the whole story. You said so yourself by making this thread complaining about how Hopkins doesn't deserve to be #7.
Let me refer you to yet another post by lax-crazy which addresses this.
I love Syracuse a lot, but anyone who thinks they are a better team than Duke is just fooling themselves.

lets look at common team scores.
Duke 17-6 over hopkins 19-9 over UVa 21-8 over loyola 7-11 lose G-town
S.U 14-13 over hopkins 13-14lose UVa 13-8 over loyola 9-8 over G-town

I will just do the point difference +1 for each goal over the other teams and -1 for each goal under the other teams

Duke comes out +8,+10,+13,-4= +27
S.U comes out +1,-1,+5+1 = +6

You have to be kidding me on that. Duke outscores Cuse 27-6 on common ranked opponents. So Cuse is ranked above Duke? Sorry man I love Cuse and all, and hop they face Duke in the finals, but to think that Cuse is better is just not giving credit to Duke.

I think 'Cuse is a very good team, but Duke is playing on a higher level than anyone else at the moment.
The Prof.

MNM19

04-15-2008, 04:10 PM

SULax47- lsilaxer131 is completely correct. Your recent all caps posts are a little much, but more importantly, some of the statements you've made are absurd. Duke has 5 kids on the team that were seniors last year; hardly half the team. Greer is a legit senior, Quinzani is a sophomore, Crotty is junior...the list goes on. Take a chill buddy.

This, along with your comments about a "young" Syracuse team lead me to be believe that you are, in fact, not very knowledgeable when it comes to college lacrosse. Maybe you know a lot about the sport, but you have done a good job at proving you don't know much about the current college game.

EDIT- Prof. Mushroom and lax-crazy couldn't have been more dead on.

big52daddy10

04-15-2008, 07:43 PM

laxer6

04-15-2008, 07:45 PM

Hopkins and UMBC jumping in the polls hurts but watching Bucknell drop 5 spots even though they won this week hurts me more. Duke is the top team in the nation though. 15 or more goals on Maryland,UNC,Virginia and Johns Hopkins amazes me, and the fact that they have only given up more than 10 once ( I believe) gets me even more. Also Duke has better balance than the orange which helps give them the lead in my eyes.

Also SUlax welcome to the boards but you have to realize most of us here are established and know a lot about college lacrosse. Don't take comments personal we just love to argue, especially about teams we think are undeserving of their rankings. Also don't use caps or things like 4get, it really annoys us.

big52daddy10

04-15-2008, 07:59 PM

yea no doubt Duke is #1. they crucified UVa, the "#3" team in the nation.....the orange are for real though, they've got the talent and the experience to go far. Plus, the defense is back and they're playin with a chip on their shoulder

MNM19

04-15-2008, 07:59 PM

Hopkins has by far the hardest schedule in D1 lacrosse...week in and week out they are playing teams like Maryland, Duke, and Syracuse....they hold big wins over princeton, albany, UMBC, and maryland....they are definitely top 10 in my book and once again belong in the NCAA tourney

Hopkins plays a tough schedule, I'll give you that, but let's be honest here. Albany is not as deadly as it was last year. Same goes for UMBC, and Maryland is young team. Like I said: tough? yeah. By far the hardest? I don't think so.

laxer6

04-15-2008, 08:07 PM

But does Syracuse have the experience to go far? The juniors and seniors on this team have never played in a title game, they are the only 2 classes to see a final four and the sophmores haven't even seen the post season. Duke's top classes have seen at least 1 national title game, Virginia juniors and seniors have won a title and the JHU seniors have won 2 titles. 50,000 people is alot, I know it wont get to Duke but will it to Syracuse?

big52daddy10

04-15-2008, 08:16 PM

oh no doubt dude, duke is gonna be in the final four, but i think syracuse, so long as it doesnt run into those teams in the first 2 rounds, will be in the final four....

laxer6

04-15-2008, 08:36 PM

big52daddy10

04-15-2008, 08:44 PM

true laxer, but based on their performace last week against cornell, id still pick 'cuse to win that game....i think cornell has just been hit to hard by graduation, losing guys like matt mcgonagle, mitch belisle, and david mitchell really hurt them for this year.

lax-crazy

04-15-2008, 08:52 PM

Syracuse should get the 2 seed. I think this team will be in the final four possibly the title game. One thing that can kill them in that final four game is if you go up against a team like Cornell who has more players that have played on that stage.

Or a hungry UVa team, I wouldn't be worried about cornell after Cuse walked over them. It's facing a team like UVa that has tallent and facing them early on, due to S.O.S and all of that goodness

lax-crazy

04-15-2008, 09:12 PM

According to the rankings, yes, Syracuse is right up there with Duke. But the rankings obviously don't tell the whole story. You said so yourself by making this thread complaining about how Hopkins doesn't deserve to be #7.
Let me refer you to yet another post by lax-crazy which addresses this.

I think 'Cuse is a very good team, but Duke is playing on a higher level than anyone else at the moment.
The Prof.

I just realized the difference of the Duke hopkins game is 11 not 8... I have no idea where I got eight from. so it's a 30+ for duke

helix28

04-15-2008, 09:25 PM

no i didnt 4get

i was just making a point that the young syracuse team is right up there with duke that has 1/2 a team that should be out of school by now

wow just wow....... how about many teams have kids who should have been graduated for they were redshirted. its almost the same thing as what the ncaa gave the duke is just like getting redshirted.....so i have no idea what your talking about that they should have graduated.

laxer6

04-15-2008, 09:28 PM

Farmingdale class of '03 has 4 red shirt seniors, Jerry Lambe, Matt Danowski, Jon Englke and Danny Brennan. That's 4 from just 1 high school.

laxer6

04-15-2008, 09:34 PM

Lost their last game to West Genny.

SULAX47

04-16-2008, 12:58 AM

Hopkins has by far the hardest schedule in D1 lacrosse...week in and week out they are playing teams like Maryland, Duke, and Syracuse....they hold big wins over princeton, albany, UMBC, and maryland....they are definitely top 10 in my book and once again belong in the NCAA tourney

Villanova
Army
Virginia
Georgetown
Johns Hopkins
Binghamton
Hobart
Loyola
Princeton
Cornell
Rutgers
Albany
UMass
Colgate

syracuse schedule is just as tuff as hopkins

the only difference is su beats the teams on their schedule
hopkins doesnt

also........
by far desko is no saint but you never see him crying , whining and actin like a fool like that IDIOT Pietramala

viking goalie

04-16-2008, 02:31 AM

calling Pietramala an idiot is not a great way to be taken seriously, passing off your skewed opinions about JHU and biased opinions about SU as facts doesn't help either

while i agree that JHU shouldn't be #7 (closer to 11th or 12th) i disagree with SU being #1. I can't see them beating Duke, Duke has too much firepower, experience and depth to lose to a SU team that takes JHU and UVa to one goals games.

spenny

04-16-2008, 06:06 AM

according to laxpower JHU has the #1 SOS in the nation while SU is 4. syracuse deserves to be #2. duke #1
(regardless of who is playing, the NCAA made it decision and we all have to live with it, so theres no point in complaining about it)

hopkins may not deserve to be in the top 10, but they will be when the season is over, thats why the pollsters keep ranking them so high.

laxer6

04-16-2008, 08:22 AM

Syracuse has 4 opponents in the top 10. Johns Hopkins is playing 5 straight top 10 opponents 6 overall. Hopkins also beat UMBC who is 6 is one poll and they too play Loyola. Also Hopkins has Duke and Maryland on their schedule and Syracuse has Albany and Princeton who are playing mediocre lacrosse. Should JHU be in the top 10, no. Do they have a tougher schedule than Syracuse, yes. As for Desko never crying maybe he should. Petro puts his heart and soul into everything about lacrosse which is why he has 2 of the last 3 national titles and hasn't missed the postseason and Hopkins. The turn around at Cuse started with Leelan Rodgers not John Desko.

merrychristmas

04-16-2008, 08:56 AM

lax-crazy

04-16-2008, 12:41 PM

LOL give me a break about Petro. if you want to talk about whining point the finger where it belongs Tony Seaman and Bill Tierney. I like the the Cuse program but it was Syracuse that could not beat the teams on its schedule last year and it was Syrcause that was below .500 last year.

Strength of schedule should be taken into account for the good of the sport if nothing less. Syrcause isn't that young. Leveille is a senior, Hardy and Nims are juniors. They have a nice blend.

Syracuse has the potential to beat Duke. There are probably only 2 other teams that do and Hopkins is one of them. The only season that counts if the post season. How many years have Syracuse fans mouthed that bit of news.

GT has already proved they can beat Duke. Hopkins and Syracuse both have the potential as well. I don't thiank anyone else has the proper mix of players to do it.

Petro isn't an idiot and it is embarassing that the post has not been edited for the remark.

Are you talking about the same hopkins that lost 17-6 to Duke? Because I am no rocket science but an 11 goal spread is a pounding.

Yes G-town beat Duke, do you honestly think Duke will come to a game un prepaired now? They destoryed teams that everyone thought might have a chance. UVa, UNC, Loyola, UMD, Hop, and Bucknell. Each team thought hey had a chance, and each time they got hands down blown out of the water.

A team needs a goalie that can go on hot streak, like Miles Kass. Is galloway good enough to go on a hot streak. I know he is consistant, but can he just zone out and become a brick wall vs. a team that shoots as well as Duke does?

MNM19

04-16-2008, 01:58 PM

Are you talking about the same hopkins that lost 17-6 to Duke? Because I am no rocket science but an 11 goal spread is a pounding.

Yes G-town beat Duke, do you honestly think Duke will come to a game un prepaired now? They destoryed teams that everyone thought might have a chance. UVa, UNC, Loyola, UMD, Hop, and Bucknell. Each team thought hey had a chance, and each time they got hands down blown out of the water.

A team needs a goalie that can go on hot streak, like Miles Kass. Is galloway good enough to go on a hot streak. I know he is consistant, but can he just zone out and become a brick wall vs. a team that shoots as well as Duke does?

Short answer- No. Galloway is good. Good enough to stop enough shots for a win against Duke? No.

laxer6

04-16-2008, 02:01 PM

Miles Kass is what won Georgetown that game. There will not be another goalie that performs that way against Duke this season. I don't think Syracuse can beat Duke though. Duke comes at you with mutiple players regardless of who gets the credit. Also the only time these two teams would meet would be in Boston. Loftus has already been in a title game so I wouldn't worry about the pressure getting to him but I would worry about it getting to Galloway.

Eclipse

04-16-2008, 02:33 PM

SULAX how do you expect to be taken seriously? You have made some of the most immature and outlandish statements in only your two days as a member here.

Aside from your need to post in all caps, lets take a look at some of the arguments you have tried to make, most of which have been successfully squashed, but ill continue to entertain you:

Duke: Duke currently lists five players that were granted an extra year of eligibility because one of the greater tragedies that sports, not just lacrosse, has seen in the last couple of decades. An average NCAA could see numerous Redshirts from injuries, academics, and the common redshirt freshman. Having some fifth year seniors is nothing new, and certainly does not qualify as "1/2 their team."

Syracuse: Syracuse top six leading scorers are all upper class men. Seven of the top eight fall into the same category. The only place Cuse could even be considered a young team is in goal, since they start Freshman John Galloway, who is backed up most of the time by Sophmore Al Cavalieri.

Syracuse ranked higher then Duke: Allow me to make this even simpler then the people above me have.

Syracuse:
Goals for: 13.7
Goals against: 7.8
Quality Wins: Georgetown, Cornell.

Duke
Goals for: 16.0
Goals Against: 6.8
Quality wins: Maryland, North Carolina, Virginia.

Pietramala:
Schmeisser Award: (Top Defenseman) 1988, 1989.
Enners Award: (Top Player) 1989.
All World: 1990, 1994.
World Champion: 1990, 1994.
NCAA Champion: 1987.
76-14 Coaching record.
6 NCAA Tournament Appearances.
5 NCAA Final Four Appearances.
2003 National Championship Game.
2005, 2007 National Champions.
Only man to every play, and coach on a NCAA Championship team.

Stop posting this garbage.

big52daddy10

04-16-2008, 02:41 PM

yea no way 'cuse is #1, duke definitely is. as far as other teams are concerned, i see georgetown as the hallmark of inconsistency, navy has lost its offensive firepower of last year, even though the D is great, and maryland is just too young....though watch out for them in a year or 2. they'll probably be contenders. JHU deserves to be in the top 10 btw

MNM19

04-16-2008, 03:42 PM

JHU deserves to be in the top 10 btw

No. No one with a losing record should be in the top 10.

tomxtr

04-16-2008, 03:56 PM

Throw out the rankings. What team wants to play Hopkins in the first round of the tournament?

stegmakk

04-16-2008, 04:01 PM

Arguing Duke/Cuse for #1 is like arguing that the blue BMW with the polished chrome interior is better than the orange BMW with the natural wood...
there are bigger issues..
now...wasn't this thread about hopkins :evil:

laxmaniac101

04-16-2008, 04:24 PM

No. No one with a losing record should be in the top 10.

you cant really call hopkins record a losing record because they were 3 goals away from 7-2

big52daddy10

04-16-2008, 05:00 PM

duke is definitely number 1...'cuse is not #2 in my book

lax-crazy

04-16-2008, 05:43 PM

Throw out the rankings. What team wants to play Hopkins in the first round of the tournament?

hahaha I can name 5 teams Duke is at the head of that list

laxer6

04-16-2008, 11:08 PM

Who cares if Hopkins is 3 goals away from 7-2, Ohio State is 3 goals away from being undefeated so we should make them #1 in the nation.

Prof. Mushroom

04-17-2008, 01:22 AM

you cant really call hopkins record a losing record because they were 3 goals away from 7-2

Yes...I can and will call their record a losing record, because they didn't score those 3 important goals, which caused them to lose, which along with their other losses makes their record 4-5...and that is a losing record. There are a boatload of teams in which one or two goals has been the deciding factor in a game, and ,ultimately, their record. Take UAlbany ,for example, four of their six losses have been one-goal games. A couple points is the difference between them having an excellent season or only a mediocre one.
Regardless of how close the game is, a win is a win and a loss is a loss.
That is like saying Hop was 21 goals away from having an undefeated season.
OSU was only 3 points away from an undefeated season...
The Prof.

MNM19

04-17-2008, 05:08 AM

Yes...I can and will call their record a losing record, because they didn't score those 3 important goals, which caused them to lose, which along with their other losses makes their record 4-5...and that is a losing record. There are a boatload of teams in which one or two goals has been the deciding factor in a game, and ,ultimately, their record. Take UAlbany ,for example, four of their six losses have been one-goal games. A couple points is the difference between them having an excellent season or only a mediocre one.
Regardless of how close the game is, a win is a win and a loss is a loss.
That is like saying Hop was 21 goals away from having an undefeated season.
OSU was only 3 points away from an undefeated season...
The Prof.

Prof. Mushroom...thank you.

Laxmaniac...I honestly loled at your comment. The absurdity of it is off the charts. Their record is 4-5, and you basically said "well, they almost won, so they don't have a losing record." Guess what! A loss is still a loss. Whether its by 1 goal, or 100 goals. Its not a W, therefore its a loss. WOW...:jawdrop:

Laxmaniac, you and Les Miles should get together sometime. According to him, his LSU team was undefeated because they only lost in overtime twice. I would love to hear that conversation.

Hounds4life

04-17-2008, 09:52 PM

I agree hopkins is obsessed over by kids who dont know any other teams and just like hopkins because theyre good and theyll stop liking them when theyre bad. But to defend hopkins, they do have the hardest SOS, but i think they should be like just out of the top 10, like 13-16 maybe

merrychristmas

04-18-2008, 10:19 AM

I don't see any ACC teams on the Syrcacuse schedule.

laxer6

04-18-2008, 11:22 AM

Syracuse only plays Virginia but on the other hand Hopkins plays all 4 ACC teams. Hopkins has a hard SOS but they don't deserve to a top 10 team right now. When this poll was made Bucknell(who has lost since than) only had 2 losses coming from Duke and Navy, they were number 10 the week before and they won that week. Bucknell dropped 5 spots but Hopkins jumped into the top 10 even though they are 1-5 in their last 6 games. UMBC does not deserve to be ranked that high and to me that Hopkins win over them does not look as good. Impressive but how many blue chip recruits are on JHU and how many are on UMBC? Hopkins should have smoked them but they have no heart and they don't deserve to be in the top 10 the voters are just spoon feeding them.

spenny

04-18-2008, 07:21 PM

Prof. Mushroom...thank you.

Laxmaniac...I honestly loled at your comment. The absurdity of it is off the charts. Their record is 4-5, and you basically said "well, they almost won, so they don't have a losing record." Guess what! A loss is still a loss. Whether its by 1 goal, or 100 goals. Its not a W, therefore its a loss. WOW....

mnm, all losses are created equally, but not all wins.