Marc Mesh Megathread

[smallsmx3]

bluecollarlacrosse.com is now up and running......The site is not completely finished though. You can not place an online order but the site does explain their product a little more for those of you interested. I ordered a marc mesh kit a while back and should be recieving it here shortly.....Once I use it I will post a review

[JUiCeD]

sweet marc mesh is cool

[Mayhem]

id get some if it was 37 bucks for a kit

[WinnytheSully]

I tried it at the Face-Off Classic, it's nothing special. I'm going to stick to my jima which costs one tenth the cost of this crap they're selling.

[laxngoalie]

aren't multicolor pockets illegal?

[WinnytheSully]

Yah, and you should have seen the guy at the face off classic going on and on about the multi colors, but left out the part about it being illegal.

[conorgillhero12]

ya you cant have multi colored mesh only in NLL and thats why the homepage is a NLL guy just get jima its just better more legal and cheaper

[falconlax1]

man this sucks I would definitly would get some 2 color mesh if wasnt illegal

[Bretmac]

ya you cant have multi colored mesh only in NLL and thats why the homepage is a NLL guy just get jima its just better more legal and cheaper

have you used marc mesh for an extended period of time....if not dont say sometihngs better. personally i love the stuff and it is extremely worth the price

[Bretmac]

One of the guy who works at my local store is good friends with these guys news on the mesh is hopkins and hobart players are using it now.

[LAX MONKEY]

have you used marc mesh for an extended period of time....if not dont say sometihngs better. personally i love the stuff and it is extremely worth the price

i totally agree, anyone who swears jima over this is an idiot(no offense). Marc mesh is by far the most durable and consistant mesh i have ever used, and i have sworn by jima for a long time. Albeit i got my pieces for free, i would spend the 37 for marc mesh anyday. You just cant compare it to anyother product out there.

[gfkeeper28]

Blue Collar Lacrosse is committed to providing only the top line Lacrosse stick heads. All of our sticks come with a letter of authenticity signed by both the stringer and player but only after the player fully tests and approves it. They are properly pinched or widened to the exact dimensions that the player uses. They are laced with the exact same style and quirks that often result in the addition of time and care that go into the meshing of every Blue Collar Lacrosse stick.
Pretty cool actually. They have a number of NLL players you can get your pinched/strung stick like. Includes goalies too.

[Mayhem]

guys, field players can use marc mesh too. cause i think they have it in plain old white. Im a little short on cash so if anyone wants to you can just send me a kit for free and ill post a well thought out review of it. haha jk. but seriously...

[Hovallax41]

I heard they sell marc mesh for upwards to 60? I tried it at the face off classic also, nothing special.... unless you like multi colored mesh.

[DaStringer]

irony? blue collar lacrosse, and 37 dollar kits? jw haha. maybe its worth it

[m2daRizzle]

everyone stop saying this mesh is illegal. they offer it in white too...

[defense4life13]

Yah, and you should have seen the guy at the face off classic going on and on about the multi colors, but left out the part about it being illegal.


I WAS THERE TOOO!!!! i wanted so badly to be like "um excuse me sir, do you plan on telling these kids that it is illegal to have multi colored mesh in outdoor lacrosse?" while hes preaching to like 30+ kids

[conorgillhero12]

ya but some people are gonna buy it for the color and for 37 dollars im getting jima and if you want durable get cata or canadian and Bluecollar should just be quiet about this butter on the mesh that to me seems like less traction but i will stick with JIMA its my favorite and no one try to convince me outherwise

[m2daRizzle]

ya but some people are gonna buy it for the color and for 37 dollars im getting jima and if you want durable get cata or canadian and Bluecollar should just be quiet about this butter on the mesh that to me seems like less traction but i will stick with JIMA its my favorite and no one try to convince me outherwise

the mesh butter is actually kind of tacky, wax like substance. it gives more grip. I agree with you though, 37 bucks isnt worth it for a piece of mesh, especially when you can get jima or stringers shack for a fraction of the price.

[Bretmac]

ya but some people are gonna buy it for the color and for 37 dollars im getting jima and if you want durable get cata or canadian and Bluecollar should just be quiet about this butter on the mesh that to me seems like less traction but i will stick with JIMA its my favorite and no one try to convince me outherwise

it doesnt stop saying those things bro the wax ads more traction you cant keep judging with out using it

[defense4life13]

if u want us to use it so bad send us some, id love to try it but i just dont wanna dish out 40 bucks for mesh.

[Bretmac]

i would love for you guys to use it ... but i know you guys cant/wont buy im jsut asking for you guys to stop ripping on it

[CHSLAX22x]

if i had the money to spend i would definitley look into getting a stick pinched and strung by a pro player, just to get a look at what they use

[Titanoh]

I'd personally love to try this mesh and I'd probbably like it too, I just can't afford $40 for mesh. Guys, don't go saying the mesh is crap just because of the price. The price is horrible jacked up though, it cost like 25 cents to make that.

[Bretmac]

I'd personally love to try this mesh and I'd probbably like it too, I just can't afford $40 for mesh. Guys, don't go saying the mesh is crap just because of the price. The price is horrible jacked up though, it cost like 25 cents to make that.
actually it cost alot more than 25 cents

[Mavericks4TW]

i would love for you guys to use it ... but i know you guys cant/wont buy im jsut asking for you guys to stop ripping on it

bret, I got an order form at the face-off classic but lost it, is there any way I can still order it from them? I'm actually curious to use it

[Bretmac]

ill ask them about it pretty soon ill keep you posted

[defense4life13]

yea common titanoh it probably cost like 50 cents, lol. just messin bretmac. i would like to use it, if only i were rich....

[Hounds4life]

well if this mesh really is durable enough it would be worth buying because then you would never have to buy new mesh to replace it. but i doubt some1 is gonna need like 10 pieces of hard mesh because the old mesh wears out

[lacrossemonkey8]

maybe the $37 dollars is just an introductory price and will go down once bluecollarlacrosse can pay off the cost to research the type of mesh in the first place. over time, it may become cheaper to produce and we will see everyone using it but for now i think for the majority of the lacrosse community, especially those who are not members here at TLF will not know any difference and save themselves a lot of money due to ignorance (because it seems to me that the majority of laxers don't keep up with the best types of mesh like we do here).

[AttackTC]

So from what I understand per blue collar's website, this mesh breaks in to your throwing style? Can some one enlighten me about this, and how the mesh breaks in differently for different individuals.

[TigerLax29]

Here's what I don't understand-

Per their website, this stuff...

" * Mesh Butter has a quick break in time (1 hour or less)
* Mesh Butter gives the mesh a unique memory that customizes the mesh to your very own signature catching and throwing style
* Mesh Butter increases a mesh's typical lifespan
* Mesh Butter grips the ball providing added friction giving you a capability to spin the ball when taking a rip
* Mesh butter makes mesh 4x more resistant to water. The key is preventing bag-out.
* Mimics a traditional pocket better than any other mesh"

But all the same is true of the spray stuff I got from stringers shack and I can buy 6 pieces of mesh and a can of that stuff for the same price as one of these kits. So what's better about this stuff that makes it worth so much more than the way I'm doing it already?

Honestly I'm not trying to bash it, I really want to know. If there's something better out there I'm open to giving it a shot but the SLSDC with some of that spray on it does everything they say this stuff does at a significantly lower price. Anybody know how it's different?

[ramgoalie9]

Why such a steep price tag? I saw about 60 strung heads w/ this stuff at the face off classic and it didnt look as amazing as a 37 dollar product should

[AttackTC]

my friend works in the front office for the Portland Jax, and he said the players absolutely rave about how awesome this mesh is, has anyone here used it and could maybe do a more in depth review?

[conorgillhero12]

it doesnt stop saying those things bro the wax ads more traction you cant keep judging with out using it

i said i havent bought it but ive used my friends so not worth the money

[conorgillhero12]

this doesnt have much to do with marc mesh but you buy a 5 dollar drink at a baseball game and guess how much the ice, cup, drink, cap, and straw costs the vendor. 15cents so how much do you think a regular old piece of mesh with this crappy wax on it im guessing like 3 dollars since jima sells it for like 7 just think they are charging 30 extra dollars for a wax coating NOT WORTH IT and i have used it on my friends stick STILL NOT WORTH IT

[VianneyLax22]

the reason it costs so much is because they use "military grade nylon" but my question is: If it is covered in wax who cares if it is military grade or just regular nylon?

[TigerLax29]

the reason it costs so much is because they use "military grade nylon" but my question is: If it is covered in wax who cares if it is military grade or just regular nylon?

"Military grade" is a term like "surgical stainless steel" and "aircraft grade alloy" that is thrown around a lot but doesn't really mean much if anything. All it means is that adheres to some standards and specifications which are not necessarily good ones or appropriate for the application. I've seen a lot of "military grade nylon" in different uses that certainly is anything but what I would call high quality.

As a side note I looked at the website and didn't see where they said it was military grade, all they said was that their sidewalls were made by the same people that make ropes for the military. Again that doesn't mean anything since military stuff is made by the lowest bidder and it doesn't specify that it's the same type used for any application that would prove anything. Maybe it's made by the company that makes jump ropes for the military, who knows. Besides, Lamborghinis are made by the same company as Volkswagens but I'm not going to race a Rabbit against a Murcielago.

[VianneyLax22]

The MM is unmatched by any other product available. Players whose salaries depend on performance choose the Marc Mesh.

1. The only question I feel that deserves a response is the pricing. Every material that goes into a Blue Collar Pocket is of top quality. The mesh itself is the only, 6.6 DuPont Nylon available, that I know of. If you ever want to test a mesh for quality stick it in a pot of boiling water; a lesser quality mesh will shrink and will bag out when used in wet conditions; not ours. 6.6 nylon was invented for the US Military to use in their parachutes and is also used to make the stick head itself.
2. This mesh is done by hand, not sprayed by machine. If a machine could do the work then we would buy it and pass on the savings.
3. The final price was calculated by me. If you knew all that was involved in putting together our product then I am sure you will agree it is fair. I would say it is the most important piece of equipment and the cheapest. Send us a stick that you don’t use and for $60 we will turn it into your starter. After the current meteoric success of Marc’s product I said to him that people would probably be willing to pay you $100 to string a stick. His reply was that he would never take it. When you look at the entire cost of a season, if you want your game to hinge on a $4 mesh, then that’s your business.
When you complain about the price are you also including money wasted standing at the end of the bench? The way I see it rather than displaying your ability to ramble on about something you know nothing about and posting them for the whole world to read; maybe you should share your thoughts with the person standing beside you at the end of the bench. Chances are they will have a $4 dollar mesh also and both of you can pat each other on the back for a full 60 minutes. Just be sure to shut up between quarters and time outs; but you probably already know that

you can refer to this thread http://www.lacrosseforums.com/showthread.php?p=1460578&page=2&highlight=marc+mesh post # 18 for the quote about military grade nylon

also note in the last paragraph of the quote how they imply that you can't be a good player unless you have marc mesh what a joke

[Titanoh]

The main downfall of this mesh is the price, sure, NLL players can use it because they get it for free, same with Hopkins guys. The price just isn't resonable for the average lacrosse player. I hope the $37 is just an intorductory price, because I want to try this (maybe if it drops to $15).
And about the post above me (the quote), frankly, I could care less what my mesh is made out of. He said something about a lower price mesh will bag out, stringers shack anyone? No offence, but this guy seems like a jerk after reading that thread (the one linked).

[TigerLax29]

you can refer to this thread http://www.lacrosseforums.com/showthread.php?p=1460578&page=2&highlight=marc+mesh post # 18 for the quote about military grade nylon

also note in the last paragraph of the quote how they imply that you can't be a good player unless you have marc mesh what a joke

Thanks for the link.

My point is still the same. The fact that it's made of 6.6 doesn't really prove anything and that it's the same stuff used in parachutes doesn't prove anything either. It's a different application and no matter how severe it is, it doesn't change anything. I've used different forms of kevlar, carbon, and fiberglass textiles before and all have excellent uses like in bullet proof vest etc but that doesn't make them a great mesh product, the demands are completely different.

Honestly, I'm not trying to bash the product but the statements they make just smack of sales jargon. On top of that the guy's attitude in that thread doesn't make me want to send him money. I'm perfectly open to the concept but I can't find where anyone has even claimed benefits over the setup I've got at the moment. I guess all that playing time I've been getting has been a fluke since my stick has $4 mesh.

[laxmj1992]

6 pieces of jimalax mesh - around $30.
Mark mesh (white, no kit) - $30.

The 6 pieces of jimalax mesh are going to last you longer than the 1 piece of mark mesh. It's not worth the price, it is completely overpriced. If this mesh were $10 (they probably still would make a profit, seeing as it costs probably $1 for materials) I would buy it. But 6 pieces of jimalax mesh will last me longer.

[Bretmac]

guys i can assure you it costs alot more than a dollar to make

[Mavericks4TW]

guys i can assure you it costs alot more than a dollar to make

in addition, if it is as great as they say, they would try and make it as cheap as possible for people to use and spread to their friends, so it can't be that cheap to make

[Bretmac]

exactly maverick still trying to get a hold of them for you

[canuklax]

I have some and i think its great!

[Mavericks4TW]

exactly maverick still trying to get a hold of them for you

thanks a lot, it your opinion do you think it's good for defense if you want very little whip or is it more suited for short sticks?

[Bretmac]

well i have it in my box stick so im not sure but i guess it could be

[laxplaya77]

Okay i dont know much about this marc mesh or whatever but it sounds like the "coating" or w/e its called would make it similar to some GII 10 Diamond Coated from stringersshack. Correct me if im wrong, but i think the GII 10D coated would hold up a lot longer than this.

[Bretmac]

you are wrong no offense to ben i love his mesh but this mesh's coating is far superior its like a waxy substance but it stays on no matter what im talking canadian mud bath after our snow melted

[laxmj1992]

in addition, if it is as great as they say, they would try and make it as cheap as possible for people to use and spread to their friends, so it can't be that cheap to make

No, they would overprice it so they can make the maximum profit. They realize that some people (like yourself) go crazy over it and tell all their friends, regardless of the price.

[laxmj1992]

guys i can assure you it costs alot more than a dollar to make

You're missing the point. Marcmesh's claim to fame is that it is made out of 6.6mm nylon or whatever it is made out of, because it is "military grade" and will last a lot longer than regular hard mesh. This is true, 1 piece of mark mesh will last longer than 1 piece of hard mesh. But if you buy 6 pieces of regular hard mesh for the same price as 1 piece of mark mesh, that 6 pieces of mesh will last a lot longer.

[Bretmac]

You're missing the point. Marcmesh's claim to fame is that it is made out of 6.6mm nylon or whatever it is made out of, because it is "military grade" and will last a lot longer than regular hard mesh. This is true, 1 piece of mark mesh will last longer than 1 piece of hard mesh. But if you buy 6 pieces of regular hard mesh for the same price as 1 piece of mark mesh, that 6 pieces of mesh will last a lot longer.

you sure cause ive gone through two peices of hard mesh and my marc mesh is still as nice and fresh as a new peice and ive used it more Laxmj1992 you even tried this stuff yet

[laxmj1992]

you sure cause ive gone through two peices of hard mesh and my marc mesh is still as nice and fresh as a new peice and ive used it more Laxmj1992 you even tried this stuff yet

2 pieces = 6 pieces?
You have used 1/3 of the amount I said.

[Bretmac]

yeah ok so did you want me to post agian in like 2 months when im through the peices to tell you whats up....... my point is it is very very durable.


edit this is not meant to flame/troll i was jsut stating my point sorry if it comes of this way.

[laxmj1992]

yeah ok so did you want me to post agian in like 2 months when im through the peices to tell you whats up....... my point is it is very very durable.


edit this is not meant to flame/troll i was jsut stating my point sorry if it comes of this way.


I am not arguing that it is not very durable, I am just arguing whether or not it is 6x more durable than jimalax hard mesh.
I guess none of us really know the answer for which one is more worth the money (6 pieces hard mesh vs. 1 piece markmesh). Somebody should do a durability test on both.

[Bretmac]

ill try to the best of my ability for that.... not usre if im gonna buy that many hard mesh pecies but i may have to

[spenny]

guys. drop this line of discussion.
laxmj, you think its overpriced, brett doesnt.
its clearly expensive. ive seen the stuff, its obvious to me that its more expensive for them to make than regular mesh. perhaps they are recouping their development costs, so it may not be fair to say they are overpricing it. they may also be asking for a premium because it lasts so long.

whatever the reason, theres no point in you guys discussing it further, your minds arent going to be changed, so lets drop it now.
thanks.

[BeaverFondu]

Okay i dont know much about this marc mesh or whatever but it sounds like the "coating" or w/e its called would make it similar to some GII 10 Diamond Coated from stringersshack. Correct me if im wrong, but i think the GII 10D coated would hold up a lot longer than this.

i doubt the GII mesh would last longer, i've had one piece in since the beginning of the season (march 1st). i've worn holes into the middle of the mesh where it has started to tear, so now i have half 10D and half 8D.

[RIT37FO]

I will be reviewing this mesh shortly

it will be paired against stringers shacks mesh and jima lax mesh

[stinisonfire]

in addition, if it is as great as they say, they would try and make it as cheap as possible for people to use and spread to their friends, so it can't be that cheap to make

There's a reason Ferrari Enzos cost a helluva lot more than a Honda Accord

[feltslave]

I am no expert on nylon and am quite sure none of us posting on this site are either. I am not sure any of use are qualified to post any facts past our opinions.

The postings about the cost are true, they cost 'x' amount. What does the 'x' buy anyone? If I know it will improve my ability to pass at a constant, shoot the same always regardless of conditions (now I am talking field), if I know it maintains over time the integrity of the shape, form, at a fractrion of my replacent time and cost, why not?

You guys are hung up on the single unit price point. If it lasts longer why not?

Why are hockey sticks now $100-$200? Why were they once $15 at Canadian Tire, now I struggle to find under $100. The major companies have all proven technology pays.

So, Marc Mesh has a patent. There must be a reason to protect the patent? I am guessing none of these guys are fueled by money, because let's get real here everyone, the agme of lacrosse is not the place to become multi billionaires. Even with spread of youth, high, collegiate & pro lax players, this can not be a get rich scheme.

The postings are both helpful and not. I offer, without trying one can not offer their opinion, unless of course companies like Jimilax, or others are posting under fake names to throw the 15 year old audience of the scent of the next generation of technologies.

Sad we can't see who is really posting these bad threads, think we would all find Jimilax employees here?

So - I am 35. I played my 4 yrs of NCAA ball (long stick-pole). I know technology and the evolution of next generation products (Nike-Shox, Reebok Synthetic hockey sticks, hybrid vehicles, etc), and can assure all the readers, wether it is MARC MESH or another product in the game of LAX, change WILL happen, products will evolve, but be educated and try the products to form your own opinions, and not be scared by price points.

For the money making schemes, just stay up past 12am, and watch info-mercials, but for products made for functionality, try then write.

I say to the readers, if you block out the cost discussion, who here has the backing to challenge the technology and the patent of this mesh? NOt sure many, besides the possible Jimilax employyes posting here.

Oh - and maybe insidelax.com, can trace the IP addresses of the disruptive posters at our request to see who is behind the bashing?....who knows, maybe I will just ask them to?.........:thumbsup:

[Bretmac]

You guys are hung up on the single unit price point. If it lasts longer why not?

Why are hockey sticks now $100-$200? Why were they once $15 at Canadian Tire, now I struggle to find under $100. The major companies have all proven technology pays.

So, Marc Mesh has a patent. There must be a reason to protect the patent? I am guessing none of these guys are fueled by money, because let's get real here everyone, the agme of lacrosse is not the place to become multi billionaires. Even with spread of youth, high, collegiate & pro lax players, this can not be a get rich scheme.


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Exactly what ive been trying to get acrosse these guys have a reason to charge this much.... all the posts it costs too much arent gonna make them change the price for all we know it could cost them 30 Dollars to manafacture this and they would barely be making a profit Guys this mesh Is legit I love i will never use another mesh for box agian.

Bret Mac

[czechinthepipes]

I have two of these mesh kits, one colored and one white (both for free). I have not had them or played with them enough to give any good feedback, but from first glance it seems this mesh is a lot more durable, and made quite well. The mesh butter seems very interesting, it feels like wax, but yet it doesn't. My dad and I have been going over and over what it could be made of.
I had hoped to be able to give a quick review about the mesh and its durability (Stin I am still working on the stringing tutorial), but seeing that RIT is going to make a review maybe I will just pm RIT my thoughts on the mesh so he has some other thoughts about it.
Overall right now I would say the mesh isn't worth $37 (for white), but hey who knows maybe after some good use it will change my mind.

[laxmj1992]

feltslave, are you an employee of bcl? You have 3 posts in these forums, all pertaining to marc mesh.
If you are, you are being a little hypocritical. Telling employees of jimalax to stop posting in this thread, but it is fine if employees of bluecollarlax (maybe you) post in here?

[feltslave]

I work for an organic yogurt company in NH, USA, so um, no ,not an employee. I played 4 yrs of lax NCAA and am asst coach in my town, ran into someone who told me about it, and am educating myself about the product as I hope the consumers who buy our yogurt do. Maybe you eat our yogurt? I do recall though a bluecollar lax guy did post here as himself and did not hide......sorry, organic yogurt job for me!

[m2daRizzle]

In the new inside lacrosse the ad said that one guy had the same mesh piece in his stick for 11 years. If this is true and their mesh is that durable then I think the 37 dollars is definately worth it. Im not sure if I believe the 11 years but if a mesh piece lasted 3-4 seasons then it could definitely be worth the money.

[destructivelax]

yeah does it really last 11 years? i'd be willing to 37 dollars for mesh that lasts that long.

[canesfan38]

has anyone tried the soft mesh, its only 10 bucks but if its just like any othr soft mesh than itsnot worth it

[TOP SH3LF]

I thought the same things many of you still do "$37 for mesh is just ridiculous" but when I saw it was in my local lax store I just had to try it at least once. From what I can tell so far the hype is true my friends. Your stick is pretty much game ready minutes after you string it without conditioning the mesh at all. I *personally* think this mesh is great, $37 is by no means cheap, but it is worth it *to me*. Everyone wants to say "Why would you buy $37 mesh?" Well my answer to that is if you can afford it and you like it better, why wouldn't you? If you refuse to buy Marc Mesh or just can't spend the money its not that big of a deal, you're game will not suffer because of it (its the wizard not the wand) but don't knock it unless you have used it for an extended period of time.

[kevidinho]

bretmac or rit or anyone that has had this stuff for awhile is there any sign of the wax wearing off?

[Bretmac]

not at all ive been using my peice 4 nights(sometimes twice a night) a week for the last month

[Mayhem]

anyone wanna sell a kit for a cheap price? i dont got 37 dollars to spend on mesh

[AttackTC]

Bretmac, do you have to string it any particular way to form a nice pocket? How about the shooters? Is the mesh soft or hard?

[k-lyte]

If anyone is looking to buy some marc mesh, they're selling it here:
http://laxzone.com/accessories.cfm?productID=336
(i'm not sure if this store is legit or not)

I'm actually thinking about getting some of this stuff. I've used stringers shack mesh and it's alright. IMO stringers shack mesh is way over-hyped, it's really not that great you guys...

[smallsmx3]

I agree w/ k-lyte. i have used SS composite mesh and ended up throwing it away. I will end up posting a reveiw over the weekend of marc mesh