Dano sets D1 point record

[moondog]

With Duke's win today, Matt Danowski set the D1 point total at 347 points. How many do you think he will end up with at the conclusion of Duke's season?
2 goals, 5 assists today--

[QBYattackmen15]

umm, not sure about end of the seaosn, ill guess...close to 360.so thats my guess 360 pts by the end. good for him though. poeple are gonna water it down because of the amount of games hes played though, but if you think about it, hes still insanely good..obviously

[lax 24]

hes had an extra season they should have a * next to his name

[Native]

I was there! I just wonder if they'll give the record to him because of the extra season.

[spenny]

hes had an extra season they should have a * next to his name

exactly. give a lot of guys those extra games and he still might not be first

[MiddieMan05]

i think they should let him have the record, but there should be an asterisk saying he got an extra half a season in. But even with the extra season, take away the 26 points from 2006 and he still has 321 points. Assuming they get to the Championship game and Danowski continues at 5 points a game, he'd finish with 336, a ridiculous number anyway.

EDIT: after searching Joe Vasta on google, i found his stats and its amazing he scored 108 points in only 17 games. That's just amazing.

[Bluejayfan2]

Any record should account for the number of games eligible to play minus a 5th year minus a scheudule that puts three patsy opponents every year. Sorry but when Duke gets a 5th season and three extra games compared to most programs, this record doesn't just get an asterik it gets a huge black star!!!!

[Bluejayfan2]

Here's what the last 5 regular seasons look like for the big boys which I graciously included Duke. Numbers include ACC tournament. Princeton is the last column

Year Regular Season Games Played including conference tournament if applicable
DUKE Hopkins Syracuse North Carolina Maryland Virginia Princeton
2008 17 13 14 13 14 13 13
2007 16 13 13 13 15 16 13
2006 8 12 12 13 13 13 14
2005 16 12 12 13 14 13 12
2004 13 12 13 13 14 13 12
Total Games 70 62 64 65 70 68 64
Games/season 14 12.4 12.8 13 14 13.6 12.8


forgive me BUT any Duke records are tainted by a 5th year and an inflated schedule not to mention quite a few week sisters. Year in and Year out Hopkins and Syracuse play a tough schedule with little opportunity to load up on weak opponents. Until the NCAA standardizes on a fixed number of regular season games, what do records mean?

[helix28]

why shouldnt they isnt what the ncaa gave duke the same thing as having 5 players on your team redshirted so they cant polay that season.....

[Jakelax]

yeah with 8 games he got to play in his ''redshirt'' year.

[Bluejayfan2]

why shouldnt they isnt what the ncaa gave duke the same thing as having 5 players on your team redshirted so they cant polay that season.....



In its purest sense redshirt allows athletes to complete 4 years of eligibility in 5. This allows for injuries, bad grades, diciplinary issues. It wasn't intneded to give athletes and extra 1/2 season to lay claim to the record books********************

[lax-crazy]

Duke is in the ACC, they don't play a weak schedual, I would say they have a much harder schedual (after the ACC tournament) than almost any other team. Even if you take away the extra year of games, he still would be fairly high on the point list, but not that high. He had 2 90+ point seasons, and maybe a 3rd one this year. That is just nuts. He is still an incredible player and the # of points over his carreer may be inflated due to the ammount of games he has played, but he is still hands down an amazing player.

There was a better way to look at how good he is, and that's to look at his points per game average. He finished like 19th over all, which is just crazy still.

[stegmakk]

I agree with the extra year argument to add *.
I do not agree with a schedule issue.
Either way, he's still darn good.

[Bluejayfan2]

I appreciate that the ACC is good this year and in no way mean to disparage Dano or Greer. Others have pointed out the other ways to measure the records as points per game. Basically I have a problem with the NC2A and the Pandora's box they opened with their decision. Record books are only one part of this. This decision could mutate across other sports such as football and Basketball where the $ are much greater. Athletes now have a legal basis for extending their college athletic careers whether deserving or not. Universities will be complicit in supporting future challenges because it may serve their financial interest. Records fall. I get it

[spyopticgoggles]

hes had an extra season they should have a * next to his name

then if virginia wins the nat. championship this year they have an asterix next to it, since lamade and petit are 5th yr seniors.

dano is still really, really good.

[laxer6]

Coming up with these leader books is stupid. The game is totally different from 20 years ago plus competition is a lot tougher. Defenseman are much more athletic than they were 20 years ago plus there is more than just 5 dominate teams. Also your schedule argument is weak due to the fast that Duke schedules these extra games. The fact that Georgetown or Hopkins puts less games on their schedule hurts their players when it comes to individual awards but these teams are arguably fresher for playing less games. In the 2005 national title game Hopkins was playing their 16th game and Duke was playing their 20th so should we put an asterik next to them since they played less? Everything about these record books is flawed we don't need to single out Dano he has had one of the greatest careers we've ever seen and we as fans are very lucky to see this kid play.

[lax-crazy]

Coming up with these leader books is stupid. The game is totally different from 20 years ago plus competition is a lot tougher. Defenseman are much more athletic than they were 20 years ago plus there is more than just 5 dominate teams. Also your schedule argument is weak due to the fast that Duke schedules these extra games. The fact that Georgetown or Hopkins puts less games on their schedule hurts their players when it comes to individual awards but these teams are arguably fresher for playing less games. In the 2005 national title game Hopkins was playing their 16th game and Duke was playing their 20th so should we put an asterik next to them since they played less? Everything about these record books is flawed we don't need to single out Dano he has had one of the greatest careers we've ever seen and we as fans are very lucky to see this kid play.

some very good points here.

[Run-DMC]

I agree with the * by Danowskis name but not with the scheduling. Records are made to be broken. He wont stay there forever

[TrapDoor]

Forget the asterisk. The record books are scattered with faults. The guy he just beat, the one that went to Air Force, Joe Vasta? Many of his games were against Division 3 opponents. When you play so many unbalanced games like that, I'm sure the stars could shine brightly enough and compile enough points to make the equivalent of half a season. And laxer6 is right. Duke schedules more games, they have a past of scehduling more games, they're allowed to schedule more games. You can't complain simply because of the # of games they schedule a season. If other teams wanted so many games, they could have them. Heck, in Vasta's final year, he had 17 games (Not sure if that includes tournament, but I'm assuming not). And considering how much the game has changed since then, I don't see why Danowski doesn't deserve the record. Well, I see why, but I still believe he deserves it, fair and square.

[chrishoke]

Interesting debate. Good points made by all. I could easily support excluding the eight games from the canceled season. I have had the privilege of watching Dano in Durham during his career and he is amazing and a joy to watch.

[Dub C lacrosse]

I thought it was Zack Greer?

http://www.lax.com/stories/2076

[viking goalie]

I thought it was Zack Greer?

http://www.lax.com/stories/2076

greer took the goals record and dano took the points record

[thedamnedfan]

Danowski has only played 6-8 more games than a normal season. Not to mention he didn't play against Presbyterian this year, and a team or two last year.

[Bluejayfan2]

There is an overall analysis by a Cuse fan on their forum comparing points per game , total goals and total games. Basic conclusion is that DAno and Greer wouldn't hold the records if Gates and Powell played the same number of total games. Look it's an interesting debate and I for one am not disparaging the Duke players as they have added to the game. They have been part of two great championship games that any sports fan would appreciate. It will be good for the group of 5 to graduate and move on so the NCAA, Hollywood, the media and Duke University can get the feel good story to finally move on no matter its outcome!

[laxer6]

But Gary Gait played in an era where you can dive through the crease, Defenseman weren't that athletic plus after you played a few tough teams the rest were gimmies. Georgetown is the only team to beat Duke,Score more than 10 on them and hold them to less than 10 goals.Georgetown is not in the NCAA tournament. The game now is so much deeper than it was 10 or 20 years ago.I could make the argument that if the Gaits and Powells played now they would have less points than what they finished their careers with.

[Topcorners]

hes had an extra season they should have a * next to his name

No, you see alot of his games were cut out during the season he lost because of the Duke Alligations. You can't really tell how many points he would have tallied in the rest of those games + playoffs. The * shouldnt even be considered in my opinion.

[bpmurf25]

i agree with lax an * is needed he had extra games and that isnt fair to past and yet to come kids who want to beat the record

[laxer6]

Ok say he scores 27 points in his remaining games that means if you take away his 8 games in the '06 season he would still have broken the record would you still put an * next to his name? Let's not forget this kid didn't even make the playoffs his freshman year and he has over 300 points. How many times did the Gaits,Powells,etc. break 90 points in a single season? This kid has hit over 90 points 3 times. Think about that 3 seasons of over 90 points. It's also very likely he is going to break 100 points on the season. Do half of you posting about why he should have an * next to his name remember the last time we saw that? Almost 10 years ago when John Grant Jr. did it for Delaware. How about instead of complaining about 8 extra games you start to appreciate what Danowski has done. And are you guys complaining because you feel for Joe Vasta or because you don't like Duke?

[stegmakk]

[QUOTE=laxer6;1554911]Ok say he scores 27 points in his remaining games that means if you take away his 8 games in the '06 season he would still have broken the record would you still put an * next to his name? [QUOTE]
I think if he does this, then there should be no * and the discussion should come to an end.
Unfortunately right now, he only has the record IF you count the extra games.

I am not a Duke hater. I am a mild fan (Hofstra first...Then Cuse/UNC, and maybe Duke in my top 5 D1 teams).
I'd currently add the * not because any ill feelings, but because the truth is, he DOES have an unfair advantage if those 8 games are counted.

[laxer6]

i agree he does have an unfair advantage. Danowski played in a whole lot more games that Vasta. But when Vasta broke the record an asterik wasn't placed next to his name. If Mike French and Tony Asterino played in the same amount of games they would have been 1 and 2 on the list. I still don't know why I am arguing though both sides have valid points and we can fight this until someone else breaks Danowski's record.

[Bluejayfan2]

Ok say he scores 27 points in his remaining games that means if you take away his 8 games in the '06 season he would still have broken the record would you still put an * next to his name? Let's not forget this kid didn't even make the playoffs his freshman year and he has over 300 points. How many times did the Gaits,Powells,etc. break 90 points in a single season? This kid has hit over 90 points 3 times. Think about that 3 seasons of over 90 points. It's also very likely he is going to break 100 points on the season. Do half of you posting about why he should have an * next to his name remember the last time we saw that? Almost 10 years ago when John Grant Jr. did it for Delaware. How about instead of complaining about 8 extra games you start to appreciate what Danowski has done. And are you guys complaining because you feel for Joe Vasta or because you don't like Duke?


Yes while he didn't make the playoffs freshman year he played two or three more regular season games than a Gait or Powell Syracuse team. They had to earn their 3 games in the playoffs where arguably they were playing against defensemen who were athletic since they were from the top 12 teams.

We aren't going to settle this cause you can shoot bullets in scheudules games etc. But to the earlier point it means that future athletes have to compete against an uneven playing field. Drop the 2006 season stats and let future players at least have the opportunity to compete against 4 years and not 4 plus 8 games.

[laxer6]

All I am saying is it's ridiculous to put an asterik because of 8 games. There is a great chance by seasons end we can delete the 26 points he earned and he'll still have the title. Vasta played 10 more games than French and Asterino and you can make a great argument both these guys would have broken his record since they averaged 6 points a game but there was no asterik next to Vasta's name. They only way to settle this is to say Tony Asterino is your champion because he is your all team leader in points per game. The argument is about extra games than the record that should be most valid in our eyes in points per game which has not been broken and probably never will be.

[Dub C lacrosse]

greer took the goals record and dano took the points record

Oh!

Thanks buddy.