View Full Version : help me make a new helmet for the players
laxman21
10-06-2003, 09:36 AM
help me design the perfec helmet for players. post me your ideas on what you want to see in a helmet and also what u like from all the other helmets. e.g. maybe you like the style of the c-pro the comfort of the gait helmet and the vision and ventilation of the brine triad helmet:bye
bigDman
10-06-2003, 10:34 AM
the look of thde cpro the comfort of the giat the ventolation vision and lightness of the triad
SullyLax
10-06-2003, 02:17 PM
worddddd thatd be ultimate. as long as it doesnt look like the gait. ti cage w/ a lexan chin
lizlax22
10-06-2003, 04:43 PM
what company is this for?
lighter lighter lighter!
lax helmets are too heavy. it's a fact. i've got a c-pro, and i love it, but its still too heavy compared to my hockey helmet. the bars for the mask are too heavy-duty. i barely ever take shots in the face, i'll take thinner bars any day. lax needs to take a lesson from hockey helmets and go with lighter masks.
laxman21
10-07-2003, 07:47 AM
cheers for your threads guys. this at the moment is a pipline project. i am currently reasearching and any ideas or problems you see with current helmets. then just drop me a thread when i come into the designing stage i will post the pictures and when the first stage model is made ill post that up on here too!!
dirtnsnow
10-07-2003, 09:41 PM
I don't know. . . I don't like how my chin piece on my Gait helmet has little to no ventilation. Kinda chaffs the chin. Yep, that's about all I've got.
Longest
10-07-2003, 10:17 PM
I want something with visibility. I want maximum visibility. I have a regular Cascade, the vsiibility sucks in my opinion. CPro is not much better. I wish there was a way to move that freaking center vertical wire out of the way, I think that's my biggest problem.
Dan
SullyLax
10-08-2003, 01:56 PM
yeah, a new faemask idea, not a ripoff of cascade/brine
laxattack
10-11-2003, 01:01 PM
heres a lil sumpin sumpin ive been cooking up, the main difference is that its closer to the face and there is no verticle bar in front of your eyes, it could use a lil less support bars though
SullyLax
10-11-2003, 01:49 PM
wtf?
laxattack
10-11-2003, 06:28 PM
lol its extreme but it allows alot of vision, you asked for a new facemask design so i figurd what the hell, lets throw something out there (mind you it is done in paint...)
Reinholds
10-13-2003, 09:25 AM
i think they should make a new helmet with gel pads instead of the hard styrofoam kinda like the bauer c-3000 or something like that i have one for ice hockey
laxman21
10-13-2003, 09:53 AM
hey guys keep them comming all the ideas that you have come up with are great all this helps with the design process. this is all this info that if you have any ideas post em or draw them down like laxattack.
Weezer
10-13-2003, 10:23 AM
Everyone here seems to be saying they want to reduce weight, but if you do your research you'll find that lacrosse is now second only to hockey in frequency of concussions (closed head injuries). Check the laxpower forum for a thorough discussion on this a few weeks back that included data. For that reason I think Riddell has it right. Their new helmet is outstanding. It's heavier, but it has a Revolution (their newest football helmet) padding set-up that includes air bladders that fit the helmet perfectly to the head. It has more vision than any other helmet because the design allows the facemask more room along the sides of the face. The only complaint I hear about it is the weight, but companies are searching for lighter and lighter helmets at the cost of serious injuries. With a few more ounces Riddell has moved lacrosse helmet design ahead by years. Hopefully the other companies will get smart and follow their lead. Unfortunately, they seem to be driven by the desire to sacrifice function for aesthetics.
Longest
10-13-2003, 05:16 PM
Thx for the tip Weez.
Dan
i stand by my statement that we need lighter helmets, but your right about the concussions.... the helmet has to protect your head. in this way, i think brine has taken the WRONG approach with their new helmet. they are trying to reduce the weight of the shell by making it all skeletal. well, guess what? the shell of a lacrosse helmet weighs almost nothing. its the MASK that is heavy, and aside from adding weight, the mask also throws the balance off. the reason hockey helmets are light is not because the shells are lighter, it's because a hockey mask weighs almost nothing.
lacrosse needs to think about making the following changes in mask design:
1. lower profile. put the masks closer to the face, for better balance.
2. narrower bars. for lightness and visibility.
solving the balance issue is a huge step... right now, we have the chin cup/strap thing supporting the helmet. this system is far to archaic. a better fitting, better balanced helmet will not need the support of the chin cup to stay in place. once again, i think we ought to look to hockey... the chin is not supporting the helmet at all. it just sits comfortably on your head. it is able to do this because the helmet is well balanced and light.
lizlax22
10-14-2003, 01:09 PM
i don't like the bars realy close to my face... example, the stryks... i have tried one on it was almost closterphobic (sp?)... it just feels safer to have the bars out a little and when the stryke helmets came out that was the #1 concern with them, that the mask was too close to the face... football and hockey helmets all have the bars a good distanec from the face
DannyzLax
10-14-2003, 07:58 PM
Originally posted by bigDman
the look of thde cpro the comfort of the giat the ventolation vision and lightness of the triad
have u worn the triad? its sooo comfy
Paul_Gait_RULZ
10-30-2003, 12:34 PM
dude, a nike helmet like mario lemieux has with the air pump, it's called the quest, with a sick brim like z-pro, and a titanium gage like the triad's normal one, not the newish design the ttraditional one, or the cpx ti cage
Paul_Gait_RULZ
10-30-2003, 12:36 PM
it would be light and accepted by both hockey helmet loves and cascade lovers because it looks like both really!!!!
and it is a good hockey helmet, the itech the gait helmet uses (itech is the hockey helmet it's based on) is garbage!!!!
if they used the nike one or a ccm helmet or bauer5000 or the mission it would look awesome, but they chose the ****tiest hockey helmet to base it on....
Paul_Gait_RULZ
10-30-2003, 12:39 PM
the problem with having bars close to the face and narrowing them is because lacrosse balls compress and can go through and bent the bars easy, thus why they are thick, being too close to the face is pretty bad, but i like the triad's idea to have the top of the middle bar ONLY come in close to the face!!! if you want, a cool thing to do is add a NLL pro cage by STX on a field bucket and it is really light, strong and great vision, but just make sure it's allowed!!! CHECK TOM RYAN"S BUCKET IN CREASE MONKEY PICS HE"S GOT IT LIKE THAT TOO< THAT HOW MY STRYKE IS NOW!!!!
CDLax2
11-22-2003, 12:10 PM
dude, are you kidding me? this is a joke. Are you doing this in your garage or for a company? Do you even expect something like that chickenscratch to sell? Sullylax said it best when he said "wtf"
laxattack
11-22-2003, 01:15 PM
no need to flame man.... jeez
CHMiddie
11-22-2003, 01:28 PM
The mask has to have more visiblilty. i think the c-pro helmet is fine. add a triad chin strap and a NEW design for a facemask and your done. i dont totally like the triads mask but at least brine tried to improve it. ide like to see cascade try like that.
laxattack, are you drunk? like what the hell is that picture...???
Paul_Gait_RULZ
11-24-2003, 10:38 AM
dude, i agree most of the weight to any bucket is the cage, but for some reason, american guys love the thick bars and constricitng chin parts, i just slapped a pro cage by stx meant for a hockey helmet on my old stryke infinity (the reason i got it in 2001-2002 is because it was the only helmet allowed in box other than ok then...now c2andcpro are too.)
it's soooo light and sweet, if you are allowed, you should try it it's nice,
props to brine for one thing i notice on my stryke with the pro cage,
the bar by the eyes in the middle is closer near the eyes and further away elsewhere, the closer it is to your eyes the less you see it!!!!!
CDLax2
11-24-2003, 03:06 PM
Originally posted by laxattack
no need to flame man.... jeez
buddy- im not, I just think that that picture looks like something a crack addict did in 1st grade
CDLax2
11-24-2003, 03:07 PM
Originally posted by LSM
laxattack, are you drunk? like what the hell is that picture...???
HAHAHAHA- finally someone else thinks like me - I was starting to worry :clap
Paul_Gait_RULZ
11-24-2003, 04:36 PM
the key is to reduce the cage weight.....
the helmets are fine, perhaps a little air pumped in like the nike hockey helmet lemieux wears would be cool so its snug...
but the designs have reached their peak, and the shell is important....
the next step may be to reduce the ear area, and make it either more open, or thinner???
who knows, i just think c-pro and cpx and all others are thinning the shells, when the weight is in those football cages used in lax... the stx mask is light weight and its durable!!!! works on my stryke just fine....
say i am on crack or whatever.... until you were my stryke, you have no clue...
the infinity helmet is sooo light without that cage... and the c-pro shell is even lighter than the infinity... yet the cage is sooo thick and heavy, why????
thinner,lighter, stronger metal??? i think so!
DrDetroit
11-24-2003, 05:05 PM
well take into consideration that the face mask needs to hold up. i think it is all a matter of finding a way to have a few bars as possible without leaving too much space for a ball to peak through. and maybe instead of a single bar down the middle, maybe move the two side vertical bars in more, like a running backs helmet.
Paul_Gait_RULZ
11-24-2003, 05:10 PM
for sure dude, it is mostly the cage that matters in today's buckets!!!!
livin4lax09
12-26-2003, 10:40 PM
Originally posted by laxattack
heres a lil sumpin sumpin ive been cooking up, the main difference is that its closer to the face and there is no verticle bar in front of your eyes, it could use a lil less support bars though
HAHAHA......that's great. I get what he's saying, and I applaud you laxattack, but when you look quickly...god it looks like a drawing my 3 year old neighbor did. Except he's progressed to color.
Paul_Gait_RULZ
12-26-2003, 10:46 PM
i agree but its only near the eyes i want lots of distance at the nose and chine...kinda like the brine curved middle bar idea near the brims...
Stonewall35
09-08-2004, 06:17 PM
How about a helmet strictly for goalies only, box or field.
Take the shape of a Harrison goalie mask (like the mask Felix Potvin of the Boston Bruins uses). From there, shorten the length of the drop (from the bottom of the facial opening) to 2.5" inches.
For the cage, use the bar spacings similar what Derek General has in this picture with the Albany Attack mask.
http://users.aol.com/maskman31/fcat.jpg
xSURFERx
09-08-2004, 08:46 PM
the cpro but lighter