Failure to advance?

[LaxRef]

NCAA rules (but I believe NFHS is the same on this point).

Team A has the ball in its offensive end and the stall count is at 8. A1 passes the ball to A2, who is inside the attack area. A2 jumps from inside the attack area, catches the ball while airborne, and then lands outside the attack area just as the count reaches 10.

Ruling?

[thunder_15]

wouldnt the stall have been called off cause the attacking team is attacking the cage? i think it would be if it was aussie rules

[LaxRef]

wouldnt the stall have been called off cause the attacking team is attacking the cage? i think it would be if it was aussie rules

Nope. Once possession is established by the attacking team over midfield but not in the attack area, they have 10 seconds to get it in the attack area. This is different from a stalling warning placed on a team that is not attempting to score.

[eme]

Laxref...you are a devil. You have to decide..an airborne player is where he last had contact withthe field or ground.....OR ball has to make contact withground in attack area for it to be in....Or a player physically (one tap on the line) with ball in his possession is in the attack area.

I think I know which way you are leaning, but it would be a very hard sell!!!

[LaxRef]

Laxref...you are a devil. You have to decide..an airborne player is where he last had contact withthe field or ground.....OR ball has to make contact withground in attack area for it to be in....Or a player physically (one tap on the line) with ball in his possession is in the attack area.

I think I know which way you are leaning, but it would be a very hard sell!!!

I'm sure I can sell this one without breaking a sweat!

[Laxref_36]

Laxref,

I would say that the count is on and delay of game. I know that some could make the argument: "You are where you came from.". My feeling is that the ball has not made contact with a player in the box, or the box itself. I can see both sides of this. I, like the player, land outside the box.

[eme]

I found the answer..it is clearly stated in both the 2004 and 2005 ncaa rulebooks.

[LaxRef]

NCAA rules (but I believe NFHS is the same on this point).

Team A has the ball in its offensive end and the stall count is at 8. A1 passes the ball to A2, who is inside the attack area. A2 jumps from inside the attack area, catches the ball while airborne, and then lands outside the attack area just as the count reaches 10.

Ruling?

This was, admittedly, a tricky question (but not a trick question!). Most of us are familiar with:

An airborne player—A player in midair, when playing a ball, is considered to be where he last was in contact with the field.

This is followed by several examples. However, later we see that:

Note: The requirement for advancing the ball into the attack area is met when the ball touches anything within that area. A player must be in contact with the ground in the attack area to satisfy this requirement. An airborne player who is above this area but not in contact with the ground is not interpreted as being in this area.

Thus, in the case at hand, the airborne player is not considered to be in the attack area even though that's where he took off from, and thus it's a 10-second violation.

I specifically suggested that this case be included in 4-6-d because it runs counter to the general principle that you are where you took off from. I think rule 4-15 is far enough away from 4-6 that it warrants a mention in 4-6.