One Piece carbon fiber goalie head

[laxngoalie]

http://www.e-lacrosse.com/2005/conv2/pages/209.htm
THE HOLY GRAIL (sp?) :lol: :clap: :lol:

[hankooklax]

haha yeah i saw that. its pretyt cool looking, but i wonder if this once piece idea will hold up. honestly i think that this would be so easily broken... watever

[laxngoalie]

why would it be weaker, i mean it may be stronger because theres no seam between head and shaft, but replacement would be a crazy negative

[joeyp2003]

well considering they tried the whole carbon fiber shafts back in the day (i still have one) i love it but im scared to use it because they have a reputation to just shatter, i have no idea why they are trying this all over again

[Stonewall35]

I wouldn't mind trying one out if the head is 15" wide and 28" long (like many wood goalie sticks these days), provided that there are enough holes for stringing both mesh and traditional pockets.

[RockStar]

Wanna know how well carbon fibre stands up to a contact sport?

Watch an NHL game....I've seen three sticks break on the same shift.

Break the head, replace the stick?......Don't like it, especially since you're probably talking about a $200 stick.

Stonewall's onto something too. If they're going to ask you to pay big bucks for it, why don't they do something to actually make it better than the tupperware sticks that everyone already uses..... Why the hell don't they make them at least the same size as the old wood goal sticks? With carbon fibre, Weight is no longer an issue.

(I'm just hoping they'll spot an opportunity from this, and start making composite "woodsticks".

If I could get a synthetic Indian-style stick that weighs less than tupperware, and can be formed with an offset head .......geez, I bet half of the Canadian pros would go back to them. they'd be deadly for box attack! Sadly, it just wouldn't bring the pain like real wood on defense)

[MClothier]

it just looks like a goalmaster on a composite shaft... and we all kno the last composite goalie shaft stx made sucked(the throttle) ur better off just gettin a nemesis and a krypto...

[OutBurst]

I am not a fan of the scoop nor the shape of the head in general. If it were shapped more like the Money or Eclipse I would buy it instantly. If it breaks, they replace it. That's it, done deal. Their problem to get me a working stick in a reaonable amount of time. I always carry around a backup stick so I don't worry about breaking a head.

[layingthelumber]

as I remeber didnt the old carbon fiber and compsite shafts break really easly in the cold??

[spark_goalie]

it looks ok but i would never get it unless it was strong

[MClothier]

the old one, the throttle (i can post pics soon...) didnt break in the composite part, but at the part where the aluminum shaft (the part the connects the shaft to the head bc the shaft is really thick) met the composite shaft often broke apart. and it was very heavy- heres a tip: stick with metal shafts, carbon shafts are all hype and way too expensive.

[Aesop Rock]

This one piece fad is starting to die in hockey, people pay $120, play some games, "look cool"( because the one piece offers 0 advantage) and then it snaps. I doubt it will work when the stick is getting hit with shots, and slashed, where in hockey it doesn't get hit, and still breaks.

[OutBurst]

In hockey sticks get hit, slashed, and come in direct contact with a solid piece of plastic. Hockey sticks go through more than goalie sticks.

[RockStar]

.....( because the one piece offers 0 advantage)......

I disagree that there is zero advantage. I think wrist shots are faster because of the whip/snap action.

Sure, slapshots haven't improved. Bobby Hull used to crank 100 MPH plus with wood stick and no weight program. Even in beer leagues, there are guys who approach 100 MPH on slapshots.

However, I've sat near the glass a few times for pro hockey and major junior during the last few years. With the composite sticks, I swear the wrist shots look a lot faster nowadays....The hardest shooters maybe aren't much faster, but there seems to be a lot of guys with way more zip on the shots than before.

Anyhow, this material has a long way to go before it's worth paying for.

[Paul_Gait_RULZ]

faster maybe....but thew safest place to be now is in front of the damn net....No one seems to snipe like they used to.....Think golf....old weak ppl use graphite for increased power, while stronger ppl use metal shafts for accuracy and control....I for one have a harrow box and a goalie cut down...I do not notice flex too much but i mean in lax the flex is all where the screw is. I don't know about the solo or this...but I cannot see it get further than women's lax and goalies due to the checks and slashes

[onlyliving4lax]

Throttle

http://www.bacharach.com/products/625

[Aesop Rock]

I disagree that there is zero advantage. I think wrist shots are faster because of the whip/snap action.

Sure, slapshots haven't improved. Bobby Hull used to crank 100 MPH plus with wood stick and no weight program. Even in beer leagues, there are guys who approach 100 MPH on slapshots.

However, I've sat near the glass a few times for pro hockey and major junior during the last few years. With the composite sticks, I swear the wrist shots look a lot faster nowadays....The hardest shooters maybe aren't much faster, but there seems to be a lot of guys with way more zip on the shots than before.

Anyhow, this material has a long way to go before it's worth paying for.
While you are correct, have you ever seen a High School kid using the 80 or 90 Flex that is designed for THEM. No....Kids have to be "tough" and use the 110 flex that is designed for players like Milan Hejduk, Marian Hossa, Alexi Kovalev. The truth is these kids think this one peace is like a turbocharger on a car. The truth is the stick only helps if you do the work. You can't even count the pros, or beer leagues, those players are going to shoot that fast with whatever stick they use.

[Hawksgoalie39]

the old one, the throttle (i can post pics soon...) didnt break in the composite part, but at the part where the aluminum shaft (the part the connects the shaft to the head bc the shaft is really thick) met the composite shaft often broke apart. and it was very heavy- heres a tip: stick with metal shafts, carbon shafts are all hype and way too expensive.
I donno why everoyne hates the throttle! i love mine.

[OutBurst]

Until you break it...

[doobiescoo]

I'm a goalie in ice hockey, and I can clearly tell you that the one piece composite sticks do make a difference. They are designed with certain kick points in built into shaft. This allows the stick to bend at it's "prime spots," which translates into a better flex and a faster, harder shot. The chest protector I used to wear became useless because of these damn sticks. I got hit in the solar plexus with a shot and I went down. They DO increase shot speed.
However, after saying that, I don't know how a one piece lax stick will work. I have good feelings about it, especially if they're designed like the one piece hockey sticks. Even if the blade breaks on a hockey stick, they can just buy a replacement blade that is glued into the shaft. It's really a very effective system. If they design the heads so that if they do break, that you can cut the head off of the shaft, and put a normal head onto the shaft.
I personally think they will be a success.

[Hawksgoalie39]

I'm a goalie in ice hockey, and I can clearly tell you that the one piece composite sticks do make a difference. They are designed with certain kick points in built into shaft. This allows the stick to bend at it's "prime spots," which translates into a better flex and a faster, harder shot. The chest protector I used to wear became useless because of these damn sticks. I got hit in the solar plexus with a shot and I went down. They DO increase shot speed.
However, after saying that, I don't know how a one piece lax stick will work. I have good feelings about it, especially if they're designed like the one piece hockey sticks. Even if the blade breaks on a hockey stick, they can just buy a replacement blade that is glued into the shaft. It's really a very effective system. If they design the heads so that if they do break, that you can cut the head off of the shaft, and put a normal head onto the shaft.
I personally think they will be a success.
It doesnt make that much of a differnce with hockey goalie sticks. i guess with it depends on what you have. ive had everyone ever made and they break alot easier than wood sticks. what kind of composite goalie stick do you have? if youve never seen the montreal composite one id definatly prefer it it was better than the responce+,xhale,etc.

[PHSLaxDude]

i love the idea of a one piece stick besides the fact that if you break it on the shaft, EVERYTHINGS DONE. you can jsut pull the head off and put it on another stick. You have to buy a new stick, restring it, and get used to it all over again.

[newingtonlax36]

The whole replacement issue is true, and maybe I'm ignornant, but wouldn't it be unlikely for a goalie to break his stick. It wouldn't cost any more than most sticks, look at the composite shafts, they're not close to the price of titanium.

[doobiescoo]

It doesnt make that much of a differnce with hockey goalie sticks. i guess with it depends on what you have. ive had everyone ever made and they break alot easier than wood sticks. what kind of composite goalie stick do you have? if youve never seen the montreal composite one id definatly prefer it it was better than the responce+,xhale,etc.


I personally don't have a composite goalie stick. In my oppinion, it's not needed for ice hockey. I was referring to the players one piece composites, which do/did make a difference. A one piece goalie head would be impressive, if it was strong enough, and was very light weight. It'd make us players work harder for my goals. :bawling:

[OutBurst]

Most girls heads are $85. Most girls shafts are $85. I see a savings with the Solo over normal set-ups...

[OutBurst]

You can get the impulse,(imo one of the best heads) for like 60 bucks unstrung and a few more strung. Db803 still arouns 50, composite yeah arouns 80, so yeah still a little bit cheaper than the solo and you get your choice of head and shaft...


How many girls buy unstrung heads?

[OutBurst]

I am right. You are right. We're all right. Okay, song and dance time now!

[fallingupstairs]

This one piece fad is starting to die in hockey, people pay $120, play some games, "look cool"( because the one piece offers 0 advantage) and then it snaps. I doubt it will work when the stick is getting hit with shots, and slashed, where in hockey it doesn't get hit, and still breaks.
i play hockey and those things are strong i play goalie and i seen people slash the goal post and them not break

[ETHS-Goalie]

Yeah i dont know about that one, i think people liek the variety of both shaft and head, which i do and you couldnt replace either

[RYU]

My friend has a Solo that I've been playing around with. If that one-piece goalie stick is anything like a Solo, then no serious goalie would consider using it.

The thing about the Solo is that it's extremely rigid - both the head & the shaft parts. There are times when you're playing that you'd like your head to be stiff, but there are also times when you'd like it to have some compliance. Scooping GBs w/ the Solo is excrutiatingly difficult. The head doesn't conform to the ground at all and catches like crazy on grass. This is probably less of a problem on low height Astroturf, but I haven't tried it.

Goalies, think about what you do w/ your sticks. Think about your low saves, especially 5-hole. Go get a metal bladed shovel. Step out onto your driveway or street w/ it. Hold the shovel like your goalie stick. Go through the motions of your low saves w/ it. Driving metal into concrete - I imagine that's what it would feel like to use that CF goalie stick, b/c that's what it feels like using the Solo.

Lax is played on grass or turf. Ice hockey is (duh) played on ice. Something thin & rigid (be it hockey stick blade or lax head) will work on ice, b/c it will slide. Not so on grass.

PS - Why is this thread in 'Tactics & Training' rather than 'Stick Tech' or 'Equipment'?

[Stonewall35]

Goalies, think about what you do w/ your sticks. Think about your low saves, especially 5-hole. Go get a metal bladed shovel. Step out onto your driveway or street w/ it. Hold the shovel like your goalie stick. Go through the motions of your low saves w/ it. Driving metal into concrete - I imagine that's what it would feel like to use that CF goalie stick, b/c that's what it feels like using the Solo.

That would be perfect for box goalies. Most plastic goalie sticks bend too much when goalies lean into their stick while in their normal box stance. To me, that bend in plastic drives me nuts. That's why I use the wood stick in box.

[RYU]

That would be perfect for box goalies. Most plastic goalie sticks bend too much when goalies lean into their stick while in their normal box stance. To me, that bend in plastic drives me nuts. That's why I use the wood stick in box.OK, I take my words back. ;-)

Perhaps there is a market for the one-piece CF stick among boxla goalies. Box goalies play completely differently from field goalies. One look at your avatar, and you can tell that you resemble an ice hockey goalie much more than a field lax goalie. Box goalies play more of a shot-blocking style rather than a shot-containing/catching style. You hold your stick head at your 5-hole rather than up on the ear. You play on low turf, carpet, or smooth surfaces rather than grass.

Maybe you can contact the company for a prototype demo model?

[RockStar]

OK, I take my words back. ;-)

Perhaps there is a market for the one-piece CF stick among boxla goalies.....

Maybe you can contact the company for a prototype demo model?

If you're going to get a CF composite stick made for box, you'd want to get it done the same size and shape as an Indian goalstick.....far better 5-hole coverage.

[Buccaneers lax]

i had one of those black carbon fiber offset stx shafts.(bought it off some kid who never used it with a shockwave for $60) i used it for a season of field and box and half way through the box season i hit a guy and it kinda shattered. what made me mad thou was the next shift i used a teammates stick got a break away and it shot funny and i missed the net, and to top it off it was the gold medal game in a tourny and we were down by 2 goals. the upside to it thou i broke a triax against the same team earlier in the tourny and my dad didnt think i could break the carbon fiber one and said he would buy me any shaft if i did. sure enough it broke the next game.

[Darkness1]

i would NOT buy it id rather stick to what i kno. good ol titanium and plastic with a sick a$$ string job

[lax4life6]

This one piece fad is starting to die in hockey, people pay $120, play some games, "look cool"( because the one piece offers 0 advantage) and then it snaps. I doubt it will work when the stick is getting hit with shots, and slashed, where in hockey it doesn't get hit, and still breaks.

dude people's hockey sticks break like once a season unless yours playing college or higher. and 1 piece sticks do offer advantages. Isnt this goalie stick like the black dragon which is supposed to be incredibly strong