Goalie Slash?

[tall_chris]

(NCAA Rules)

Quick question.... Goalie slashes. Does he serve? Or does the In-Home serve? If he does serve, Can the in-home serve if the other coach agrees since there is not a backup goalie?

[TheKOB]

(NCAA Rules)

Quick question.... Goalie slashes. Does he serve? Or does the In-Home serve? If he does serve, Can the in-home serve if the other coach agrees since there is not a backup goalie?

The goalie serves it. The in home is there if the coach gets a penalty.

[rilax]

In both sets of rules goalie serves and there is a reasonable period of time to get the new goalie dressed. NFHS new goalie has a minute to warm up once he enters the field. Both coaches agreeing thing would never happen in NCAA (unless it is sub D-III ie club, sub varsity etc and even then would not be automatic). Once the penalty expires the original goalie can only come in if the other goalie comes off though special or regular substation or after a time out.

[Irish_Keep]

i play in new york, i am very agressive on ground balls outside the cage, so every once in a while ill slash a kid while out but i have only served once

[TheKOB]

In both sets of rules goalie serves and there is a reasonable period of time to get the new goalie dressed. NFHS new goalie has a minute to warm up once he enters the field. Both coaches agreeing thing would never happen in NCAA (unless it is sub D-III ie club, sub varsity etc and even then would not be automatic). Once the penalty expires the original goalie can only come in if the other goalie comes off though special or regular substation or after a time out.

I was told that I had to use a time-out to warm up a new keeper...is this true?

[LaxRef]

(NCAA Rules)

Quick question.... Goalie slashes. Does he serve? Or does the In-Home serve? If he does serve, Can the in-home serve if the other coach agrees since there is not a backup goalie?

Goalies serve their own penalties, both NCAA and NFHS. If you don't have a backup goalie, we are told to be "reasonably lenient" about allowing another player to get suited up. We've taken this to mean that you can get the new guy suited up, but if you want to get the original goalie back into the game you need to call a timeout or do it between periods (note you cannot sub on the fly if you only have one set of goalie gear since subbing on the fly requires the sub to be ready to play before he steps into the sub area). If you want to warm up the goalie under NCAA rules you need to call a TO.

Under NFHS rules, they get a 1:00 warmup, but I'm only giving that to them if they have a backup goalie dressed. If they need that time to switch over gear, they've used up their warmup time as far as I'm concerned.

There are no provisions for coaches agreeing to waive certain rules of the game, with a few exceptions:

The administrative rules that may be altered by mutual consent of the competing institutions are 1-2, 1-5, 1-10 through 1-14-a, 1-15, 2-10 and 3-3. The administrative rules that may not be altered are Rules 1-3, 1-4, 1-6 through 1-9, 1-14-b, c and d, 1-16, 1-25, 2-2, 2-4 through 2-6 and 3-8. All of the other rules are conduct rules and may not be altered.

Essentially, this covers alterable field dimensions and length of haltime. These must be agreed to in writing prior to game day.

[Laxref_36]

I was told that I had to use a time-out to warm up a new keeper...is this true?


Coach,

The short answer is yes. The NFHS rules allow for an official timeout (not charged to any team) to get the goalie ready for play. They have the full 20 seconds to substitute and then one minute from the beeper, to be ready for play. If you use that time warming up the goalie fine, dressing the goalie fine, but ready for play when that beeper goes off a second time, total time 1 min 20 seconds.

NCAA, your situation, goalie on and ready to play. Warmup is on you if you want a timeout.

[hhslax29]

I got a penalty once for "butt ending" or something like that...i still to this day dont think i did it, but thats not the point....we did not have a back up goalie so the inhome served a one minute non releasable. Im still kinda confused about it.

[LaxRef]

I got a penalty once for "butt ending" or something like that...i still to this day dont think i did it, but thats not the point....we did not have a back up goalie so the inhome served a one minute non releasable. Im still kinda confused about it.

Some leagues--especially club leagues and winter leagues--make up their own rules. Some officials also officiate hockey and can't keep the rules straight between the two. Some officials don't want to wait around the extra time for the equipment to get switched so someone else could play goalie, so they bend (break) the rules.

But the bottom line is, whether NFHS or NCAA rules, there is no provision for a player on the field committing a foul and the penalty being served by another player (unless the player committing the foul is ejected).

[CoachRob]

I got a penalty once for "butt ending" or something like that...i still to this day dont think i did it, but thats not the point....we did not have a back up goalie so the inhome served a one minute non releasable. Im still kinda confused about it.

I have no idea what "butt ending' refers to. Maybe he thought you were "PRETENDING" be be a GK.
:lol:

But to assess YOUR penalty against the in-home was incorrect. Since you were the identifiable player who committed the penalty, you should have served the penalty. It's your team's bad luck if you have nobody who can replace you in goal. The ref should have told your coach to get a substitute geared up and in goal, and use a time out if that takes more than one minute.

A GK IS TO SERVE HIS OWN PENALTIES. IT IS NOT THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE IN-HOME TO SERVE THE PENALTY OF A PLAYER WHO IS CLEARLY IDENTIFIED BY THE REFEREE, EVEN IF THAT PLAYER HAPPENS TO BE THE WORLD'S GREATEST GOALKEEPER. That's the take-home message from this post. :dummy:

[hhslax29]

I have no idea what "butt ending' refers to. Maybe he thought you were "PRETENDING" be be a GK.
:lol:

But to assess YOUR penalty against the in-home was incorrect. Since you were the identifiable player who committed the penalty, you should have served the penalty. It's your team's bad luck if you have nobody who can replace you in goal. The ref should have told your coach to get a substitute geared up and in goal, and use a time out if that takes more than one minute.

A GK IS TO SERVE HIS OWN PENALTIES. IT IS NOT THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE IN-HOME TO SERVE THE PENALTY OF A PLAYER WHO IS CLEARLY IDENTIFIED BY THE REFEREE, EVEN IF THAT PLAYER HAPPENS TO BE THE WORLD'S GREATEST GOALKEEPER. That's the take-home message from this post. :dummy: haha, thanks for clearing that up. Thats the first and only penalty i have ever gotten so i was new to the procedure, when you dont have a back up. Thanks again.

[Stonewall35]

The way we call it in Canada (under ILF rules), the referees will designate two in-homes before the game starts.

One in-home will serve bench penalties and/or gets credit for goals if the scorer can't be identified.

The other in-home is used as a "designated defender." This player is used to serve the goalie's penalties unless the goalie is ejected from the game. The reason for the "designated defender" is due to a liability issue since not every team dresses two goalies. If a player is not properly equipped to play in the goal (chest protector and throat protector tied to helmet) and he suffers a life-threatening injury because of it, the referees and the coach of that team will have a lawsuit filed against them.

Also, if the referee has to allow an "unofficial" 30 second time-out to get a player dressed in goalie gear, that is like giving that team an additional 30 seconds to plan strategy.

I feel that the "designated defender" rule speeds up the game in this regard, even though goalie penalties don't happen very often.

On the other side of the coin, teams can still keep their #1 goalie in the game, regardless if he has a penalty to his name.

[LaxRef]

I have no idea what "butt ending' refers to. Maybe he thought you were "PRETENDING" be be a GK.


"Butt ending" is when you hit someone with the butt end of the stick. It's technically a slash.

[LaxRef]

The other in-home is used as a "designated defender." This player is used to serve the goalie's penalties unless the goalie is ejected from the game. The reason for the "designated defender" is due to a liability issue since not every team dresses two goalies. If a player is not properly equipped to play in the goal (chest protector and throat protector tied to helmet) and he suffers a life-threatening injury because of it, the referees and the coach of that team will have a lawsuit filed against them.

We won't allow them to play without a legally-equipped goalie either. We just have to give them some time to switch over the gear. If they want to switch back they need to call a timeout or wait for the end of the period.

[faceitoff]

I've been slashed by a goalie before.

[Mavido]

This happend last year, we were beating this team 14 to 1, but the keep steped out and tomahawked a kid that was going to quick stick it in, he got the penalty but so when they put in the back up they couldnt put they're regular goalie back in b/c they only had one chest protecter, at the field, and they didnt have any time outs left..

It was 14 to 1 going into the 4th, we beat them 29 to 1... very un sports men like, but they were trying to hurt people, so we made them cry.

[LaxRef]

This happend last year, we were beating this team 14 to 1, but the keep steped out and tomahawked a kid that was going to quick stick it in, he got the penalty but so when they put in the back up they couldnt put they're regular goalie back in b/c they only had one chest protecter, at the field, and they didnt have any time outs left..

It was 14 to 1 going into the 4th, we beat them 29 to 1... very un sports men like, but they were trying to hurt people, so we made them cry.

I assume it was already the fourth quarter when the goalie got the penalty, and I assume that your team didn't call any timeouts so that the other team couldn't use your timeout to switch the goalie gear back.

What would have been really mean is to call a timeout, wait until the backup goalie had the stuff about half-off, then run your team back on the field and tall the officials you're ready to go. Then they'd have to have their team on the field--including their goalie--in 20 seconds or they'd get a delay-of-game penalty!