I HEART CSU LAX!

[FCLax]

ahh...sittin in fourth period checkin out lax pics online..figured i'd see what's new with the hometown boys here in foco...checked out the CSU site after not lookin at it for a month or so, and i came across a pretty big gallery of last season's pics...i found myself drooling over their helmets and gloves, once again..they may look sick in the pictures, but they're even sicker in person..one advantage to having probably the best USLIA team in the same town as you is that we scrim with them all the time..i've actually played with their freaks and cpx's on (which they have now, EVEN COOLER than the cpro's in the pics)...heavenly :naughty: haven't found a single jerk on the team, they're all willing to give their 2 cents and help out and help to make our lax organization even better...coolest guys ever...figured i'd express my love for CSU and their lacrosse program and see if anyone else shares this love :)

btw, flip's probably THE coolest coach i've ever met in my entire life...i mean, who couldn't be cool with that hat?!

http://csulacrosse.com/2004/pictures/05-14-04_BYU/images/DSC_0156.jpg
http://csulacrosse.com/2004/pictures/05-14-04_BYU/images/DSC_0377.jpg
http://csulacrosse.com/2004/pictures/05-14-04_BYU/images/DSC_0077.jpg

[Orange]

Their equipment is sick. The helmets remind of the St. Louis Rams ones. How did they get them two colors or is that some sort of decal? Sweetness.

[layingthelumber]

Hey is there a player on the team with the last name rickles? I know he is going to CSU, he used to play for my hs team

[FCLax]

yea, it's just a sticker, but it makes them look way cool...and i agree, they do remind me of the st. louis rams helmets

as for the rickles guy, i personally don't know of a guy with that last name and they haven't released their 05 roster on the internet yet

[faceitoff]

Colleges usually do that with professional sport team logos. Look at Georgetown, for example.

[mr laxplaya33]

I personally live in colorado but dont follow them much. They have kool gear though. I did go to one of their games and they were aight. Anyways how good do they normally do? as far as record

[layingthelumber]

Mr laxplaya, who do you play for? I live in denver and i sometimes follow DU, but besides that I really dont follow anyone. I have played with a ton of CSU players and alum in my fall, and summer mens legue (sp)

[FCLax]

let me put it this way...last season, they lost two games, both of which were to UCSB, which was the finals and a reg season game..and most games they won were no less than a 4 or 5 goal lead..

2004 Game Results
5/15 UCSB - L: 7-8
5/14 BYU - W: 16-10
5/12 Michigan - W: 11-7
5/11 Simon Fraser - W: 23-6
5/1 Colorado - W: 10-9
4/30 Utah - W: 24-4
4/24 Lindenwood - W: 25-1
4/17 #5 Colorado - W:8-7
4/16 Utah State - W:21-6
4/10 Boise State - Cancelled
4/09 #5 Brigham Young - W: 14-8
4/04 #1 UCSB - L: 8-10
4/03 #15 MN-Duluth - W:22-4
4/02 #4 Michigan - W:11-4
3/27 #19 Utah - W: 19-4
3/20 #10 Simon Fraser - W:24-6
3/19 Washington - W:12-5
3/18 #21 Chico State - W:20-3
3/16 Pacific Lutheran - W:24-4
3/13 #3 Sonoma State - W:10-6
3/12 #9 Oregon - W:15-6
3/06 Wash U STL - W:21-1
2/29 Colorado Col. - W:11-6
2/28 #16 Texas A&M - W:22-8
2/22 #5 Colorado - W:15-4
2/19 Northern CO - W:19-1
2/07 Arizona State - W:24-7
2/06 #7 Arizona - W:9-4

CSU lax rocks my socks :OMG:

[unta8]

E-ROCS A PIMP

[FCLax]

glad to see i've got some fans out there!

[kryptic]

I think Michigan has some pretty cool gloves....except I'm not much of a Warrior Fan..I got to play in their equipment..

http://www.laxshots.com/Gallery.aspx?GameID=633&ID=471

[mr laxplaya33]

layingthelumber I am stilll a young teen and play for the a local team in a suberb of denver

[stxbionic42]

michigans gloves are hot. on fire. CSU's gloves are hot too.

[shrekjr]

Looking for a freshman at CSU named John Donnally. Anyone know if he is playing this spring? If so, CSU is coming to Texas next month and we'd like to go watch.

[lklax]

hey does anyone know if CSU is a junior college or what? Im sure this is a stupd question and i have no clue what i am talking about. I was thinking about going to college for 2 years out west. And CSU is sweet so......

Thanks alot for the help


Also if you go there will the years you play count for elegibility.

[layingthelumber]

No CSU is a State University, hence the name Colorado Statet University, although Ft.Lewis college in colorado might have a two year program, and they have lax.

[CornerPicker22]

Nope fort lewis is a four year college. They play MDIA-B USLIA ball.

Btw noone knows yet who's on the roster.. but their team is bursting at the seems and I'm sure they'll have a travel roster.

Best part about CSU is they're all mostly colorado boys.

Now here's another q... Could CSU beat a low end D-1 school like bellarmine or drexel?
Anyone know if Flip is trying to get them up to D-1?

[novi26]

if that did happen, would the club teams players automatically make the team? i was just wondering as i 1) love CSU 2) might go there

[CornerPicker22]

if that did happen, would the club teams players automatically make the team? i was just wondering as i 1) love CSU 2) might go there

Nope, although they claim on the university page that they make no cuts, Flip makes some 'forced shrinkage' on the roster (he says so on his journal on the csu website www.csulacrosse.com).. simply too many go out for the team and drink or make fools of themselves, etc..

BUT that doesn't mean necesarily everyone's NCAA material. They can and have beat quite a few DIII and a couple of DII schools (don't think they've ever played a dI team yet). Some of the guys on last years roster were on some of the worst teams of our state.. and by bad I mean constant running clock games with scores well above a 10 point difference...

[elementsk8r070]

u know whats freaky? i used to have the exact same stick combo as the guy in the 2nd pic. torque, hard mesh and a green dont forget green kpro diamond

im lovin the custom freaks

[camthraxFHK]

CSU is a cool Lacrosse team. I saw them play the ducks last year and they are way above the normal clubs. I honestly think that UCSB and CSU could bring it to lower level dI schools, especially Bellarmine. Mostly because there are DI teams that arent that good. CSU has a few DI transfers anyway (Tim Farqhar).

[Orange]

The guy with the torque/kpro diamond's number is 12 but his cleats have number 13... weird?

[lklax]

Just trying to figure things out hear because the school is looking pretty good to me, are they a club team? Because I saw they play Virginia Tech which is club. Im really confused. Sorry for the confusion.

[novi26]

yes they are a club team as of now, maybe they will move up, but probably not very soon

[faceitoff]

The guy with the torque/kpro diamond's number is 12 but his cleats have number 13... weird?

Good eyes. CSU does have sweet equipment, though. Even their shoes kick ***.

[Middie_Hero19]

I think I remember seeing CSU practicing once. I live down here in pueblo. It was before I played so I didnt really notice. Anybody else live in Pueblo?

[CornerPicker22]

I think I remember seeing CSU practicing once. I live down here in pueblo. It was before I played so I didnt really notice. Anybody else live in Pueblo?

Actually, CSU-Pueblo (there are two campuses, Fort Collins is the sweet one) is probably who you saw practicing.. They play USLIA-B along with fort lewis.

And btw, Pueblo is a name of a town here in Colorado

[Middie_Hero19]

Yes I know CornerPicker22, I live in Pueblo Colorado. I saw the CSU Pueblo practicing.

[FCLax]

ah yes...BUT! the main difference is this..
http://www.travelnewhorizons.com/F9-CSU/Ram.gif=SICK

http://csubookstore.dotpitchstudios.com/images/template/logo_main.gif=...not so sick

hehe

[tokiolax]

yes they are a club team as of now, maybe they will move up, but probably not very soon some clubs might be better than some division teams...but its all up to the school. my hist. teacher said divions are made up of involvement and stuff like if they hand out scholarships. not if they are good or not.

[Ravaging Beast]

I don't see any of the men's club teams going DI until Title IV is removed. Schools can't have another men's sport. Michigan had a virtual varsity team, but they can't give scholarships. They are ALMOST treated like a DI team by their school.
On another note, UC Santa Barbara killed DII NDNU from California 15-4 today. Another victory for club ball over varsity lacrosse. UCSB will also play DIII Whittier on Feb 19 at Whittier.

[CornerPicker22]

UCSB will also play DIII Whittier on Feb 19 at Whittier.

Yeah that'll be a good match, but I bet Whittier will kill UCSB.

[MinesGoalie45]

CSU plays in the USLIA MDIA....which is a Virtual Varsity sanctioning body. Their conference is the Rocky Mountain Lacrosse Conference, which they, along with CU, BYU, University of Utah, and Utah State are Div A (MDIA version of Division 1). Also there is a Division B conference of Montana State, Boise State, University of Wyoming, Colorado School of Mines, University of Northern Colorado, Utah Valley State, Western State, Ft. Lewis, and CSU Pueblo.

A few of these teams, Colorado School of Mines and BYU, used to be Varsity, however with Tittle 9, they were cut through the years, and took their place in the MDIA. Alot of MDIA players are good enough to play D2 or D3 ball, however elected to go to the schools that they wanted to go to, or didnt play lacrosse in highschool and picked it up in college like I did.

check out www.uslia.com or www.rmlax.com for more information.

[Z12/AM]

Gloves, helmets, color schemes are sick BUT,
I gotta go with the boys in Provo,

BYU

[Ravaging Beast]

Yeah that'll be a good match, but I bet Whittier will kill UCSB.

I hope you are kidding. Whittier lost to BYU last year, and UCSB is looking better than ever before.

[FCLax]

Gloves, helmets, color schemes are sick BUT,
I gotta go with the boys in Provo,

BYU

When's the last time BYU beat CSU? :agree:

[CornerPicker22]

I hope you are kidding. Whittier lost to BYU last year, and UCSB is looking better than ever before.

Regardless, I'd pick a TOP 10 NCAA DIII over a USLIA champion team. Whittier also lost to BYU with no starters :lol:

[MinesGoalie45]

Regardless, I'd pick a TOP 10 NCAA DIII over a USLIA champion team. Whittier also lost to BYU with no starters :lol:

I would also pick a top 5 D3 team against the lower ranked D1 teams....thats not the best comparison ever. Anyways, MDIA (not USLIA) is extremely competitive, and im pretty sure CSU could hang as a D1 team

[lax_crazy027]

anybody know if they sell those hats flip's wearing?!

[FCLax]

i'm pretty sure they're just hats the team made..

[Gcclaxster67]

CSU would get spanked by any top 25 team in D1.

[CornerPicker22]

CSU would get spanked by any top 25 team in D1.

OK....? And that was your first post ever?

[lax_crazy027]

just looking at the CSU vs TT pics the CPX's are sick but i think i like the custom freeks better than the defts

[JedimasterKyle]

WOW!, I had no idea CSU was so good. I don't think they play Division I right, but even so they are good. I live in Aurora and might go there if I can get a lacrosse scholarship. If not I'll go to med school out east.

[CornerPicker22]

WOW!, I had no idea CSU was so good. I don't think they play Division I right, but even so they are good. I live in Aurora and might go there if I can get a lacrosse scholarship. If not I'll go to med school out east.

You can't get a scholarship for lacrosse at CSU cause they're a club team: aka not NCAA. They Play USLIA-MDIA which is for schools who don't have NCAA lacrosse programs. Plus, CSU is waaaay cheap for in state tuition as it is.

Furthermore, next weekend (saturday at 1:00) CSU is gonna play Colorado College (DIII).. any of you CO guys gonna go? I know I probably will.

[Viperlaxer132]

WOW!, I had no idea CSU was so good. I don't think they play Division I right, but even so they are good. I live in Aurora and might go there if I can get a lacrosse scholarship. If not I'll go to med school out east.


If you want a lacrosse scholarship in Colorado go for DU. A guy from the Vipers got a full ride there last year. FClax you probably knew him...

[hbmedic]

I'm going to see CSU play UCSB at the First 4 Invitational featuring ND vs. UNC and Cuse vs. G'Town on March 12th.. I had heard CSU was pretty good, but I would be cautious when comparing USILA teams to D3 or D1.. I think maybe you should start with D2 teams and work your way up from there.. You'd be suprised at the talent of even the worst D1 teams when playing D3 or USILA.. Remember Hobart won 11 straight D3 Championships until they went D1 and now they almost don't exist.. and its not because they suddenly suck.. its because the divisions are that much apart. The coaching, the availability of funds and research, the equipment both on and used by the players and in the gyms and rehab, as well as recovery and trainers, not to mention the recruiting and amount and availability of scholarships makes all the difference. Not to mention its hard to get the best players from Maryland and NY to go to Colorado State?! You pretty much get the scrubs.. and I'm not trying to insult USILA schools, I'm just saying when you've played lacrosse all your life, like I have, and you get recruited by Ohio State, Colorado State, UCSB, Whittier, etc.. you just have to laugh after dreaming of playing for North Carolina, Hopkins, Syracuse, and Princeton all your life.. Its just the view of the higher calibre players.. they want to play for the National Champion and the School that honestly will contend for that Championship..not to mention the reputation and ability to go home at Christmas and in Summer to play Hero's and wear your team's helmet.. And again, please don't attack me, I'm not trying to insult any particular schools.. Its just reality.. and I must say CSU's uniforms are pretty cool.. but Syracuse' all orange uniform with the new Orange Cascade CPro is my favorite uniform.. take care..

hbm

[Dan]

BYU is the equivalent of a good DIII team. They've played well against them, and I like the team and the staff. Jason Lamb is a cool guy, and so is their team. Tschaggeny is quite talented, and used to play at UMBC. Hopefully they beat CSU this year. I really don't like CSU. Because I love BYU. That's pretty much the only reason why.

[FCLax]

If you want a lacrosse scholarship in Colorado go for DU. A guy from the Vipers got a full ride there last year. FClax you probably knew him...

Yep, good ol Brett Kohl...prob the best attackmen i've seen in my life...full ride to DU last year, can't wait to go down to the DU field and see him and the Pioneers play again..

[TheKOB]

I'm going to see CSU play UCSB at the First 4 Invitational featuring ND vs. UNC and Cuse vs. G'Town on March 12th.. I had heard CSU was pretty good, but I would be cautious when comparing USILA teams to D3 or D1.. I think maybe you should start with D2 teams and work your way up from there.. You'd be suprised at the talent of even the worst D1 teams when playing D3 or USILA.. Remember Hobart won 11 straight D3 Championships until they went D1 and now they almost don't exist.. and its not because they suddenly suck.. its because the divisions are that much apart. The coaching, the availability of funds and research, the equipment both on and used by the players and in the gyms and rehab, as well as recovery and trainers, not to mention the recruiting and amount and availability of scholarships makes all the difference. Not to mention its hard to get the best players from Maryland and NY to go to Colorado State?! You pretty much get the scrubs.. and I'm not trying to insult USILA schools, I'm just saying when you've played lacrosse all your life, like I have, and you get recruited by Ohio State, Colorado State, UCSB, Whittier, etc.. you just have to laugh after dreaming of playing for North Carolina, Hopkins, Syracuse, and Princeton all your life.. Its just the view of the higher calibre players.. they want to play for the National Champion and the School that honestly will contend for that Championship..not to mention the reputation and ability to go home at Christmas and in Summer to play Hero's and wear your team's helmet.. And again, please don't attack me, I'm not trying to insult any particular schools.. Its just reality.. and I must say CSU's uniforms are pretty cool.. but Syracuse' all orange uniform with the new Orange Cascade CPro is my favorite uniform.. take care..

hbm

Most of the top club teams play and beat NCAA teams. Victories over Whittier, Colorado College, and Bellamire come to mind as the most recent.

You no longer have to recruit from Maryland and NY to be good. You'll find that most of the team's rosters are almost exclusively from the state in which they're in...Florida and FSU specifically come to mind.

Yes, you're old and have been around lacrosse for awhile. The lacrosse world is changing. One of the best players on USC's team is from San Diego, and we've got guys who have played (and started) at Dematha, Georgetown Prep, Landon, etc. I myself am from Maryland (and played Hero's, went to a school in the MIAA) and recognize that the talent pool that NCAA schools draw from is getting bigger, but the number of scholarships is finite, thus leaving better talent to go other places. This talent might not have lacrosse as a #1 priority when going to college....a local school or one with a good program in their major of choice might be their first choice...which is why we get guys from the eastern seaboard, because of our business and international business school.

edit: and Ohio State is a varsity team now, by the way...

[Dan]

USC. I watched their game at BYU. They made me laugh, due to the fight that went on. Some BYU guy started slapping a USC guy. I know the refs that broke it up. They're good guys. Besides that, BYU wasted on USC, but perhaps they'll be better. BYU could easily fight for the top of DIII. Well, maybe not against holy Salisbury, but certainly against some mid-high teams. I don't think we're ready for Middlebury. I love Middlebury. I remember when I went to a track meet there two years ago. I didn't run particularly well. But their field was awesome.

[TheKOB]

I meant The University of South Carolina, not that other, flash in the pan school out in Southern Cal :laugh:

[waxon]

cleats are sick.

[hbmedic]

Thank you for your very intelligent and respected reply.. However, I still disagree.. although looking at rosters like Florida St. etc.. who may or may not be full of mediocre players from their respective states, that doesn't mean their a successful program.. I guess if you think just having a team is sufficient then your correct.. Competing in Div 1 or Div 3 is an entirely different ball game.. Actually the most successful team I can think of outside of teams with players from MD or NY is Whittier College here in the Los Angeles are..their roster probably has zero players from the east coast much less NY or MD.. but their ranked in the high teens in div 3.. hardly a contender.. I played with the likes of Taylor Simmers, and Ryan Wade, Mike & Torrance Hubbard.. all of which went on to play in Div 1.. My friend Mike Hogue, Brian and Tony Lignelli started the program at Ohio St.. and shunned other schools recruiting them.. I'm familiar with programs all over the US with or without players from MD or NY.. but for most part, and this may be changing but it hasn't changed yet, the contenders each year in Div. 1 or 3 are filled with players from NY or MD... but thank you. Good luck with the game****s..I guess your abreviated nickname is censored... hbm

[SDS416]

Let me preface this by saying I grew up in NY, have coached in NY, worked in a DIII athletic department office and so some of my statements may need to be taken with a grain of salt.

There is no doubt in my mind that at the DIII level, the strongest talent comes from the NY and MD area. One needs to look no further than the annual strength of Naz and Sailsbury to prove this point. They draw talent primarily from the immediate surrounding areas, as do most DIII schools. Its the nature of small budget DIII schools to scour the local HS ranks to try to find talent. DIII schools start behind the 8 ball of the premier talent because of the lack of athletic scholarships so you have to get the best of the rest so to speak. And those areas seem to have abundant talent.

When looking at the DI picture, its a bit different. Those schools, with much larger recruiting budgets and the availability of athletic scholarships, will look for talent (and find it) in a much larger geographic area. Take a look at some of the diversity now found on DI rosters, you have players from Ohio, Mass, Conn, NJ, VA and PA. that are playing on top teams. There was a time where a roster was dominated by NY or MD players, now that isn't quite the case so much. Alot of DI programs are starting to recruit outside of NY and MD simply because there is talent out there and the competition isn't as fierce. One good example of that is Brown, whose program is an up and coming one, that has recruited quite heavily from the VA area.

[hbmedic]

Very nice post SD.. and very logical.. Brown, Notre Dame, Cornell, Rutgers, UMass, I could go on and on... all of these teams have very respected programs.. but none of these teams are real contenders.. they provide some good competition but in the end they lose and go home.. which is fine.. and I'm glad players from all over the country are making D1 and D3 teams and doing well.. Don't get me wrong.. I am all for the growth of the sport, especially because I have a 2 year old and I live in Huntington Beach, CA.. fortunately all of the High Schools in my area, pretty much from LA to San Diego have teams..as well as little leagues.. and I don't want players to be frustrated or discouraged because they may never play on a Div 1 or Div 3 contender. I mean after all, why do you think the USILA was created?! So teams like Colorado State and UCSB would have a conference where they could actually compete and win so their programs would continue to grow rather than die due to their players being killed by east coast teams while being discouraged and frustrated with loss after loss.. The amount of players from all areas of the country is growing, but if you look at Rosters of teams like Syracuse, Nazareth, Salisbury, Maryland, Hobart, Hopkins, Loyola, Towson, even North Carolina, Virginia, and Georgetown.. all are dominated by players from Maryland and New York.. I haven't looked at the roster for Navy, but I'd be suprised if they were dominated by players from these areas even though I grew up 20 min from their Annapolis campus because of the strict admissions rules and the fact that you have to have a congressmen or senators letter of recommendation, providing that players would be from all over the country.. and they were truly a contender last year.. even though I never took them seriously I guess because I was so used to them losing all my life.. anyway, thank you for your well thought out and respected reply. Take Care.. hbm

[jmplax31]

One needs to look no further than the annual strength of Naz and Sailsbury to prove this point. They draw talent primarily from the immediate surrounding areas, as do most DIII schools.

So very true. I go to Nazareth and I can tell you that 85% of our team is from NY. Infact I would say 60% of the team lives less then then an hour and a half away from here. Naz does not need to go anywhere else because most of the best lax players in the western part of NY that want to go to an DIII school come here, or are recruted here strongly. So many players here could play at the DI level if they needed.

Yet there are exceptions. A few stars on the team now are from out of state, but it seems like it's alomst a rule that if you are from out of state, then you are an impact player. So it goes to show that the few players Naz tries to go for out of state must be very good impact players.

[Dan]

Just look at the BYU vs. Towson game. I think it was Towson, either that or Loyola. Anyway, BYU got murdered. That was at the West Genessee tournament, I think. I speak of BYU a lot because I will probably end up playing there, as long as I keep my rate of improvement up. The best club teams are western teams, but a lot of the best football and basketball teams are too. A lot of that has to do with Title IX, but the fact is that those eastern powerhouses will attract the eastern players. However, that really does make sense.

Powerhouse wise, I can think of a few that I really view as that. Maryland, Johns Hopkins, Virginia, Syracuse and Princeton. Those teams are consistently good, except Virginia had a rare down year. I don't really think of Towson, Loyola, Duke, UNC other similar schools like that. While good, they aren't GREAT. Syracuse is the very image of consistency. 22 straight final fours. But they may not have one this year. I'm nervous about it.

[hbmedic]

When I was in HS and College the Final Four was always Hopkins, Princeton, Syracuse, and North Carolina.. Although Carolina hasn't been there for while I still think of them as a powerhouse because I grew up respecting them so much.. My friend Ryan Wade who played at Severn in Maryland played there and won the National Championship in the early 90's.. Those 4 teams were the most influential teams and programs in my lacrosse life.. I tried to emulate these teams and watched countless video as well as attending games to gain knowledge about the game, moves, dodges, and shots.. they were invaluable to me.. thanks for your time and consideration.. hbm

[SDS416]

Very nice post SD.. and very logical.. Brown, Notre Dame, Cornell, Rutgers, UMass, I could go on and on... all of these teams have very respected programs.. but none of these teams are real contenders.. they provide some good competition but in the end they lose and go home.. which is fine.. and I'm glad players from all over the country are making D1 and D3 teams and doing well.. Don't get me wrong.. I am all for the growth of the sport, especially because I have a 2 year old and I live in Huntington Beach, CA.. fortunately all of the High Schools in my area, pretty much from LA to San Diego have teams..as well as little leagues.. and I don't want players to be frustrated or discouraged because they may never play on a Div 1 or Div 3 contender. I mean after all, why do you think the USILA was created?! So teams like Colorado State and UCSB would have a conference where they could actually compete and win so their programs would continue to grow rather than die due to their players being killed by east coast teams while being discouraged and frustrated with loss after loss.. The amount of players from all areas of the country is growing, but if you look at Rosters of teams like Syracuse, Nazareth, Salisbury, Maryland, Hobart, Hopkins, Loyola, Towson, even North Carolina, Virginia, and Georgetown.. all are dominated by players from Maryland and New York.. I haven't looked at the roster for Navy, but I'd be suprised if they were dominated by players from these areas even though I grew up 20 min from their Annapolis campus because of the strict admissions rules and the fact that you have to have a congressmen or senators letter of recommendation, providing that players would be from all over the country.. and they were truly a contender last year.. even though I never took them seriously I guess because I was so used to them losing all my life.. anyway, thank you for your well thought out and respected reply. Take Care.. hbm

I find it interesting that every team you named as not being what you consider real contenders is in the first media poll of the season. Navy comes in at #7, Cornell at #9, ND at #10, Rutgers at #11, UMASS at #15 and Brown at #20 (I am telling you watch for Brown, they are going to upset somebody this season and shock alot of people). I think that you would have to consider a top 20 team a contender, especially now when the level of talent between squads is so close. Certainly some of these programs are just starting to take off, but I think it shows that the available talent in other areas of the country is growing.

[FCLax]

Certainly some of these programs are just starting to take off, but I think it shows that the available talent in other areas of the country is growing.

ah, yes, someone finally says it..Yes these club teams may not be able to hang in there with some D1 teams right now, but all those top teams are gonna have some west coast teams nippin at their butts pretty quick here..:naughty:

[SDS416]

When I was in HS and College the Final Four was always Hopkins, Princeton, Syracuse, and North Carolina.. Although Carolina hasn't been there for while I still think of them as a powerhouse because I grew up respecting them so much.. My friend Ryan Wade who played at Severn in Maryland played there and won the National Championship in the early 90's.. Those 4 teams were the most influential teams and programs in my lacrosse life.. I tried to emulate these teams and watched countless video as well as attending games to gain knowledge about the game, moves, dodges, and shots.. they were invaluable to me.. thanks for your time and consideration.. hbm


Well its certianly true that SU, Hopkins, Princeton and NC used to pretty much own the final 4 for a number of years, the times in DI lacrosse have changed. If you want to call it parity, you probably could get away with it. I think there needs to be a distinction made between eras in lacrosse to a certain extent. And the era of the big 4 or 6 is over. Look at the compartive struggles of teams like Loyola, UMBC, and Towson in comparison to their previous successes. Look at the growth of programs like Brown, Rutgers, Albany, Binghamton and Hofstra and their successes. Its a much tighter field now.

[SDS416]

ah, yes, someone finally says it..Yes these club teams may not be able to hang in there with some D1 teams right now, but all those top teams are gonna have some west coast teams nippin at their butts pretty quick here..:naughty:

Well, I wouldn't go so far as to say pretty quick, but its not outside the realm of possibility. The real challenges for the teams basically west of the Mississippi is that they will be fighting with existing, well known, east coast programs for talent. And until those areas develop enough depth of talent so that even if the top 10% is skimmed off by east coast schools the talent base is still deep, it will be an uphill battle to develop a respected program.

As far as club programs go, the top club programs would struggle to stay with the top programs in DIII, for means of comparison. Quite frankly you could probably take the top 5 or 6 DIII squads, and Lemoyne from DII and stay with anyone in the bottom 10 of the top 20 or 25 of DI. Not saying you would beat them, but you wouldn't get blown out by any means. I don't think you can say that for the teams at the top level of club lacrosse.

[FCLax]

i totally agree with that..i didn't really mean pretty quick when i said it, i meant in up to the next 5-10 years..

[hbmedic]

You know what.. I have never said that No players come from outside of Maryland or New York.. I've only contested that the majority of players, especially starting players at top contenders and even at obscure schools, are from these two states..

Now.. Regarding the rankings and their ability to contend for the National Championship.. Every year there are teams in the top ten that do well during the season and maybe upset one of the top teams (Hopkins, Syracuse, Princeton).. but when it comes down to it with the exception of last year's Navy team.. they don't even end up in the final 4.. Still, even with the run of Navy last year, Syracuse came out on top.. This year you've got Georgetown with a pre-season ranking of 3.. Hopkins is 1, Syracuse is 2.. MD & NY.. Princeton, Maryland, Carolina, 4-5-6.. all 3 teams are dominated by players from Maryland and New York.. Then you have Navy, Virginia, Cornell, and Notre Dame.. 7-8-9-10.. I would say I am suprised by Notre Dame and I don't know their roster but I wouldn't be suprised if they didn't have a majority of players from NY or MD.. I'd bet their drawing most of their talent from Ohio.. but I don't really know.. Never the less.. just to clarify, I only consider true contenders out of the Top 10 to be Hopkins, Princeton, Syracuse, and Carolina.. I don't even think Georgetown will hold or represent their #3 ranking in the final 4.. I guess I'm just biased..

As for Virginia, Raine.. I'm suprised they are in the top 10.. they are a team that is in the middle of a rebuilding period where they need to carefully recruit some top players somehow.. after all, they lost to Denver last year.. that is embarrassing.. I'd rather lose to Hobart.. even though Denver is ranked #19 this year (pre-season) and Hobart is 20.. Just my opinion.. not meant to insult or dispute anyone else's opinion.. thank you.

hbm

[hbmedic]

I'm sorry, I have to correct myself.. the poll I cited in my last post was a Maryland Lacrosse Poll and is not the NCAA Div. 1 Official Preseason poll.. the official poll is as follows..

1. JHU (MD)
2. SU (NY)
3. PU (Practically in NY)
4. USNA (MD)
5. UMD (MD)
6. GTU (Practically in MD)
7. UNC
8. UVA
9. CU (NY)
10. ND
11. Towson (Maryland)
12. Rutgers (Practically in NY)
13. Duke
14. OSU
15. UMass
16. Army (NY)
17. Loyola (MD)
18. Penn (Right in between)
19. Brown
20. Hobart (NY)
21. Penn St. (Right in between)
22. Villanova (Right in between)
23. Dartmouth
24. Denver (WTF?) (insert what or who, same difference)
25. Hofstra (NY)


Okay, so out of the entire NCAA pre-season poll of 25, 11 are from NY or MD.. and 5 of which are in the top 10, and 4 of which are in the top 5.. Not to mention after I get my yearbook I'll be able to exactly see how much of the teams outside of the MD & NY teams are in fact built of MD and NY Players.. that will be interesting.. maybe I'll be proven wrong.. but I don't think so and I know you don't think so either.. take care.. hbm.. Parody is happening and growing, but not yet.. hbm

[SDS416]

And I never claimed you said no players come from places other than NY or MD...I just think its highly myopic of you to clearly fail to give the credit that is due to the outstanding talent that comes from other states.
Syracuse's run of 22 final 4's makes fall into the perrenial conteder category certainly and it transcends eras of college lax. And certainly Princeton and Hopkins have a number of final 4 appearances in recent years...and in the case of Hopkins have pulled off a couple of pretty big choke jobs when it counted. But to say that SU, JHU, Princeton and NC are the ONLY CONTENDERS IS IGNORANT! If more than 1 of those 4 makes the Final 4 I'll eat my hat.
SU is rebuilding big time, Hopkins can't be trusted to get the job done when it counts, Princeton will have a VERY large fight to even make the tournament from within their own conference and is no sure lock for an at large, and NC aside from Prossner is a question. This may be the most diverse year in terms of the sheer number of teams that could make it to the tournament, and its a great thing for the sport.
I think you need to broaden your horizons and take a good hard look at some other programs and players.

[SDS416]

I'll be the judge of what I do and do not think, thank you.

[hbmedic]

Geez', you don't need a tissue do you?! I can take whatever I want from players outside of Maryland and New York because they haven't consistently proven themselves yet, either as individuals or as teams.. Until they do I can make my generalization and it will be justified.. You could've said the same thing about the preseason rankings last season.. you could've said that Syracuse wasn't going to make it.. You could've said Maryland is.. but you would've been wrong. Regardless of the status of the teams I spoke of somehow they always end up in the final 4.. whether its the quality of the players recruited, a late season warm up on the part of the teams, Coaching, Support resources of the schools or whatever you want to atribute it to.. these teams end up winning when it counts.. So you can hope for parody if you want to.. and maybe it'll make you warm and fuzzy and get you excited during the season that it will be an exciting and competitive season, these 4 teams will be right there in the end no matter what.. but I'm not going to eat my hat because thats why they play the games.. but I would be willing to bet.. Don't get so offended.. I've already stated that its just my opinion.. and my opinion is very educated and backed up by history.. I've been around a long time.. hbm

[jmplax31]

keep it nice in here guys!

[SDS416]

You know, I should have paid attention to the PM's that I got from others that suggested I ignore you and to "not feed the troll"...but since you've decided to play the smartass bigmouth card again...lets go....

You need to check your ego at the door. If you think your crap don't stink because you've been around the sport for X years or because you grew up in Maryland or any other load of crap you can come up with, you are sorely mistaken. Plenty of players from states other than NY or MD have played the game and proven themselves to be more than adequate (and note the sarcasm in the use of the word adequate). And as for programs, check your map, because Princeton is in NJ, North Carolina is in North Carolina (figured you probably needed the clarification).
Your ignorance is only exceeded by your arrogance.

[hbmedic]

Yeah, and hopefully all of those people that pm'd you will see that I am not the insulting one.. I just stated an opinion based on Fact and your offended by that so you decide to insult me.. I won't be sucked into that again.. Instead I'm going to show you..

Here are the top 10 and some others you have cited and the breakdown of their rosters.. if your offended I can't help that, this is reality..

JHU - 15 from NY / 18 from MD / 10 from Everywhere else
Syracuse - 26 from NY / 2 from MD / 14 from everywhere else
Princeton - 13 from NY / 15 from MD / 20 from everywhere else
Navy - 23 from NY / 10 from MD / 15 from everywhere else
Maryland - 6 from NY / 19 from MD / 17 from everywhere else
G'Town - 17 from NY / 8 from MD / 20 from everywhere else
UNC - 13 from NY / 21 from MD / 8 from everywhere else incl. NC
UVA - 8 from NY / 11 from MD / 10 from VA / 7 from everywhere else
Cornell - 17 from NY / 4 from MD / 14 from everywhere else
Notre Dame - 14 from NY / 10 from MD / 15 from everywhere else
Ohio St. - 7 from NY / 7 from MD / 14 from Ohio / 25 from everywhere else
Brown - 11 from NY / 6 from MD / 21 from everywhere else..

Okay, so you can't argue with that and you can't attribute that to my "Arrogance".. Its fact, you can check the rosters yourself Mr. Sensitive.. and its 30 years I've been playing lacrosse.. so I think I know a little about what I'm talking about.. and the numbers prove it.. All of the top 10 teams have an average of 27.5 players on their rosters from either Maryland or New York..with an average roster of 42.5 players per team.. which means that on average, 65% of each team is from NY or MD.. and that leaves 35% of the rest of the roster available for EVERY Other State in the Country and Canada.. what does that tell you?! (Since I can't express my opinion, I'll just show you the facts and you can come up with your own conclusion).. okay.. So you have a nice day okay.. and try not to get so offended at someone else's opinion.. hbm

[SDS416]

well lets go another round.
The fact that you've played lax for 30 years is about as pertinent to the conversation we are having as the fact I've played for 27...its got nothing and I mean nothing to do with the discussion at hand.

Lets go back to the ice age of lacrosse you seem to be stuck in. There would have been a time where the fact that even 20 percent of a top 25 teams roster not being from NY or MD would have been laughed at as being outrageous. Fact of the matter is that your own numbers prove that the number far exceeds that.
And look at the up and coming programs in that list, such as Brown. Brown is less than 50%. So is Ohio State.
Are there a large number of players from NY and MD on rosters? Sure, I never said otherwise. What I have been attempting to point out to you is that there is alot of lacrosse talent located in states other than NY and MD and some programs are starting to see that and recruit it. You are too stuck on all that is MD or NY lax to even see that point. I pity your myopic ignorance. I'll be laughing when some kid from OH, Mass. or PA breaks your heart by beating one of your precious contenders like a drum in front of 45,000 at the finals.
Its a shame you can't embrace the fact there is alot of lacrosse talent all around this nation and some of the non traditional hotbeds are starting to be recognized. Your traditional contenders like Princeton are starting to see that. Up and coming programs are starting to recognize it.

When compiling your stats I noticed that for certain schools you chose to make notes for players from within that state. If you are going to do that for some you really need to do it for all of them otherwise the comparison isn't valid numerically. You chose to seperate MD, NY and other for some but not all. When you make those changes the picture for some of the programs is quite different. Unless you want to make an exception for instate recruits for all schools....in which case its a whole different picture all together.

[liveforlax19]

GOOD LORD... thos are some sweet helmets... and gloves... and cleats... the colors are sweet too...

and syracuses all orange helmets are CPX... not CPros

[hbmedic]

C'mon man.. your being ridiculous.. the other information I didn't include is that of that 35% of Everywhere else.. most of them were still from Virginia, New Jersey, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, and Pennsylvania.. Only 1 or 2 on each roster were form Ohio (with exception of Ohio State), Illinois, North Carolina, California, Colorado.. and I didn't see any from Utah, Arizona, Florida..etc.. This sport is still primarily represented in Division 1 and 3 as an East Coast, if not, Maryland and New York Sport.. And I chose to break down Ohio State and Virginia further so you would understand that those players were chosen or chose those schools simply because they were local.. I am by no means ignorant, and your insults just show your ignorance.. why don't you just state your opinion or list some facts rather than insults.. wait, I know why... because none of your "Theory" has occurred yet.. the teams are dominated by players from My or Your area. Thanks for your reply.. hbm

[liveforlax19]

how did this thread go from CSU, to maryland and how everyone in college is from maryland and NY?

i think this needs to be closed, in order to prevent hbm from his rediculous ranting and raving

[SDS416]

OK, so Ohio State and Virginia selecting in state talent is different than Maryland or Hopkins selecting in state talent? Is that your claim?

And everywhere else for the sake of argument should be everywhere else, regardless of if its Mass, NJ, etc. If you want to discuss your numbers seriously then I don't see how everywhere else can exclude certain areas. Its either NY, MD or not.

[hbmedic]

Okay, yes, so when Ohio State or Brown (those are the ones with less players from Maryland or New York) show up in the top 10 let me know.. then you'll have at least some ammunition against my point.. The fact of the matter is.. North Carolina is far from NY and pretty far from Maryland and still the team is full of players from NY or MD.. and North Carolina is in the top 10.. All of the teams in the Top 10, regardless of their geographical location to Maryland or New York are Mostly made up of players from Maryland or New York.. Brown and Ohio State are Not in the top 10.. and Ohio State has as many players from New York and Maryland as they do from Ohio (14).. and I'd be interested in knowing what percentage of those two groups of Ohio State players are starting players.. I'd be willing to bet a majority of the starters are the ones from New York or Maryland regardless of the makeup of the teams roster.. but I have no way of knowing that or getting that information..

Why is this such an us vs. them argument.. we are all lacrosse players.. why can't I be proud to be from Maryland? Why can't I point out facts and statistics and rosters just because you don't happen to like the outcome?! It doesn't make sense.. Is this a communist message board because you should make sure people know that when they register.. thanks for your time and consideration. hbm

[blckout20]

Ok...I'm getting in on this.

I agree with the HB that Maryland and New York are the two most dominant hotbeds in lacrosse to this current day. At some point in time this will change due to geographic reasons, players in California, Texas, Florida can play all year round which makes practicing easier. But as of right now the best players, teams, and more importantly coaches are still in New England / East Coast and mainly Maryland and New York.

Now the majority of top college players still do come from Maryland and New York. While there are still several amazing players that aren't from Maryland or New York, Matt Russell comes to mind, when you have such prominant hotbeds for the sport schools will naturally recruit from these areas because it is simply more practical to do. In fact, a lot of players from outside of these hotbeds that are being recruited by top NCAA schools are probably going to camps in Maryland and New York to be seen by these top schools or playing for tournament teams that play against teams from these areas. A good friend of mine was recruited and now plays for Maryland and he would go down to Maryland to play in local camps there because the competition to display your talents against in the area isn't at the caliber that coaches are looking for.

While, the majority of players are still coming out of New York and Maryland, there is no doubt and I think we can all agree that more players are coming from a bigger variety of locations and smaller hotbeds are starting to come into effect. Southern CT has some very dominant teams including Daniel-Hand, Darien, and New Canaan. It takes time for a sport that for so long was pretty much dominated by two distinct areas to have worthy competition spread throughout the country and I think we are on our way to this point but while times are changing we are not there yet.

Some facts that I found that might contribute to the converstaion in some way:

2004 High School All-Americans*

Cali - 18 All-americans
CT - 13 All-americans
Florida - 7 All-Americans
Maryland - 25 All-Americans
Mass - 20 All-americans
New York - 44 All-Americans
Ohio - 8 All - Americans
Penn - 21 All-Americans
Texas - 8 All-americans

*info taken from laxpower.com 2004 Men's HS All-Americans
(note - does not account for population of state)

2004 HS Nat. Ranking*

NY - 9 Top 25 Teams / 4 Top 10 Teams
MD - 8 Top 25 Teams / 4 Top 10 Teams
NJ - 2 Top 25 Teams / 1 Top 10 Team
MA - 1 Top 25 Team / 1 Top 10 Team
CA - 1 Top 25 Team / 0 Top 10 Teams
CT - 2 Top 25 Teams / 0 Top 10 Teams
PA - 1 Top 25 Team / 0 Top 10 Teams
OH - 1 Top 25 Team / 0 Top 10 Teams

* Taken from Laxpower.com National Coaches/Computer Ranking Boys 2004

[Dan]

I know the kids from Utah that are going to play elsewhere. Chris Powers was recruited by many DI schools, including Cornell and Loyola, if I'm not mistaken. But he chose BYU. This year, I'd watch for our AA, Walker Hewlitt. The kid has skills. I've played against him many times, and he will most likely go DI. But the East is better. Nobody is denying that. We are saying that the whole lacrosse nation is expanding outside of NY and MD.

HBM reminds me of somebody. UNCLE RICO!

[hbmedic]

Very nice.. very nice... wow what a concise, research driven, fact based, humble, well put together, and non-offensive response.. beautiful.. wish more people here were like you. Take a topic, take current facts, blend them with other current facts that may lend insight to the future, ie the high school stuff and high school player facts..and turn it toward your view.. very nice, well done.. and I agree.. and just to add something, and I have told others this.. there is a handicap that still exists out west.. there are so many players on each team, on each line.. who have vastly different skill levels and backgrounds in lacrosse.. this contributes to frustration.. there is an old saying, "Play with the best, Play like the Best".. and this holds true.. Everyone at some point or another due to several factors (such as a hard pass hitting your pocket and altering your whip so when you throw the ball after the catch suddenly you throw the ball into the ground at the guys feet..) throws an errant pass.. its up to your teammates to correct and catch the pass..or you have ground balls or throw aways, fast breaks and goals against your team, thus momentum shift and/or morale shift.. On teams stacked with good and/or experienced players, you don't have these mistakes.. and all of these contribute to your abilities.. So this will still contribute to an advantage on the east coast for a while while More than a few High School all-americans catch up in ability.. and growing little league programs are the only way to equal this handicap.. Thats all I have.. thank you again for your contribution, it is much appreciated.. hbm

[Dan]

Sorry, I'll never post actual helpful information about western lacrosse again. Besides that, it's humanly impossible to speak without bias. Then again, I do sort of know about it, especially Utah, since I know the kids that have a chance to play NCAA. But whatever. I'm not saying that Walker is better than the Maryland guys, of course, but I'm saying he'll go DI. Whoops. I guess I'll never speak, because it'll offend you, EVEN WHEN I TELL YOU THAT YOU'RE RIGHT. Man.

[liveforlax19]

Why is this such an us vs. them argument.. we are all lacrosse players.. why can't I be proud to be from Maryland? Why can't I point out facts and statistics and rosters just because you don't happen to like the outcome?! It doesn't make sense.. Is this a communist message board because you should make sure people know that when they register.. thanks for your time and consideration. hbm

NO ONE said you can't be proud to be from maryland... but a) u have mentioned it more than enough times and b) so far, all of your posts have NOTHING to do with the thread topic, i thought this was about CSU? not u...

but as long as were on the topic... i am from NY, i am surrounded by lacrosse... i go to every syracuse home game, i kno many of the players on the syracuse team... my varsity lacrosse team is one of the most well known in the section... BUT, i DO NOT claim to be better than anyone on the forums, nor will i ever claim so... there are plenty of people here who could "wax" me, as u put it... i kno a lot of kids who have been playing lacrosse their entire lives, but still arent very good... but they are from NY, excuse me, that makes them better than everyone else... right? i dont think so

u can state ur facts all u want... u are entitled to say whatever u want... just stop saying it in an irrelevant fashion, and stop being such an airhead about everything... we wouldnt have a problem with u if u didnt act the way u do.... we have heard about maryland more than enough times from u, we get it ok? so stop the rediculous maryland rant and be the 37 year old u tell everyone that u are.... ur on a forum where the majority of people are younger than u, so be the bigger man and stop acting like an ***...

thanks for ur time and consideration. LFL

[FCLax]

WOOOOOOH CSU LACROSSE!...annnnnd we're offtopic hehe but I do agree with raine that we never said we're better than the east coast teams, we're just sayin that the west coast teams are growing...I have a couple good friends that went D1, one at DU and one at Butler, for example..

[SDS416]

Okay, yes, so when Ohio State or Brown (those are the ones with less players from Maryland or New York) show up in the top 10 let me know.. then you'll have at least some ammunition against my point.. The fact of the matter is.. North Carolina is far from NY and pretty far from Maryland and still the team is full of players from NY or MD.. and North Carolina is in the top 10.. All of the teams in the Top 10, regardless of their geographical location to Maryland or New York are Mostly made up of players from Maryland or New York.. Brown and Ohio State are Not in the top 10.. and Ohio State has as many players from New York and Maryland as they do from Ohio (14).. and I'd be interested in knowing what percentage of those two groups of Ohio State players are starting players.. I'd be willing to bet a majority of the starters are the ones from New York or Maryland regardless of the makeup of the teams roster.. but I have no way of knowing that or getting that information..

Why is this such an us vs. them argument.. we are all lacrosse players.. why can't I be proud to be from Maryland? Why can't I point out facts and statistics and rosters just because you don't happen to like the outcome?! It doesn't make sense.. Is this a communist message board because you should make sure people know that when they register.. thanks for your time and consideration. hbm

Why is this an "us vs. them"??? Well I think your statements here in this thread and in others makes it pretty clear as to why...because you've chosen time and time again to belittle, downplay and outright insult the sport and its players who don't reside in the states of NY or MD. So when you enter a thread and continue that theme, its going to happen all over again.

North Carolina is certainly not far from Maryland. Check your map. College Park to Chapel Hill is about 280 miles. Thats basically the same distance for a recruit from Garden City Park on LI to travel instate to SU, for example.

The other problem is you can't leave the numbers alone. For some schools you want to make geographic exceptions to explain why the player makeup appears as it does, yet for others you don't. You can't have it both ways.

Your last little rant about this being a communist forum is a total joke. I think your more than a little upset that your almighty words are getting deflated everytime you open your mouth.

[Lax101]

Here are the top 10 and some others you have cited and the breakdown of their rosters.. if your offended I can't help that, this is reality..

JHU - 15 from NY / 18 from MD / 10 from Everywhere else
Syracuse - 26 from NY / 2 from MD / 14 from everywhere else
Princeton - 13 from NY / 15 from MD / 20 from everywhere else
Navy - 23 from NY / 10 from MD / 15 from everywhere else
Maryland - 6 from NY / 19 from MD / 17 from everywhere else
G'Town - 17 from NY / 8 from MD / 20 from everywhere else
UNC - 13 from NY / 21 from MD / 8 from everywhere else incl. NC
UVA - 8 from NY / 11 from MD / 10 from VA / 7 from everywhere else
Cornell - 17 from NY / 4 from MD / 14 from everywhere else
Notre Dame - 14 from NY / 10 from MD / 15 from everywhere else
Ohio St. - 7 from NY / 7 from MD / 14 from Ohio / 25 from everywhere else
Brown - 11 from NY / 6 from MD / 21 from everywhere else..


I hate to jump into an arguement that is centered around someone who flagrantly insulted me in a prior arguement, but I can't resist.

A big factor of those 50% or so players from NY or MD going to those colleges is also based on location. Nearly all of these colleges are in the Northeast, or are relatively near NY or MD. So obviously, you're more likely to see a lot of NY and MD kids from a Northeast college opposed to lets say, a college from California. For example, Syracuse is in NY...and look at that, over half the players are from NY alone. While on the other hand, if you look at Ohio State, a huge chunk of those players are from Ohio. The fact that the lacrosse "powers" today are all east coast teams is going to reflect the number of students/players who happen to be from the east coast. Are you going to find over 50% of enrolled students in Stanford are from NY? I think not. Are you going to find that in Syracuse? Probably. Yes, there's still a great deal of NY and MD lacrosse players in all of these teams, but the numbers are somewhat reflected in their location no matter what. Would Syracuse have as many NY enrolled students if it was located in Colorado (and thus as many lacrosse players?)

[Hooligan]

3. PU (Practically in NY)
6. GTU (Practically in MD)
12. Rutgers (Practically in NY)
Hey, give Jersey their credit! :thumbsup:
18. Penn (Right in between)
21. Penn St. (Right in between)
22. Villanova (Right in between)
Hey, give PA their credit too! :thumbsup:

PA or NJ are not "practically NY" or "maryland". In fact, people from Philly take offense to being considered from NY. Ugh, I still feel dirty! :-p

Anywho...getting back on topic here. The back and forth comments between HBmedic and SDS416, while informational at first, has become a "nuh uh" and "uh huh" fight. We get it guys. HB likes NY and Maryland players and colleges, and SDS is pointing out the other colleges.

I am thuroughly enjoying this debate, but the finger pointing is getting annoying. A good match of wits does not need anyone blamed for anything. Difference of opinion does not indicate ignorance.

Now continue with this debate in a professional manner. That goes for EVERYONE! If you have nothing productive to post on this thread, or any others, then you have NOTHING to say. This forum didn't grow to be the biggest and best because people liked to shove their ego and weight around, it grew because of the best and brightest lax minds gathering together in one place to debate their views. Thats what we had here on this thread, and I want it to continue without the childish comments tainting this argument.

Maryland/NY versus the rest of the NCAA, round 2. DING DING!

[hbmedic]

You guys need to lighten up.. your bringing too much of other posts in other topics to this one.. Just because I had an argument in another post does not translate to this one.. so just forget it..

the Schools in Maryland and New York being the best in lacrosse has a little if nothing to do with whether or not they are in Maryland or New York.. As I showed you.. North Carolina is and has been in the top and a contender for a long time.. My Father lives in North Carolina and you can say its close if you want to, but Its a good 5 hour drive.. at least.. I don't like to drive 2 hours much less 5.. The school is not close to Maryland.. There are only 7 players from anywhere else on the team.. When looking at Virginia and Ohio St they have a higher number of players from their home state.. It has to do with recruiting.. If Ohio State had as many players from Maryland or New York, as North Carolina does in relation to their local recruiting, I believe they would be in the top 10. The reason the schools in Maryland and New York recruit from NY or MD is because the best players are right there.. that is why it has always been that way.. If the best players were suddenly popping up in California and recruiters were aware of it, most of the players would be from California.. When teams hunt for Football players they don't stay in their geographical area, that would be suicide.. but if all of the best players were say, from Pennsylvania, then it would make sense that recruiters from all schools would focus on Pennsylvania.. wouldn't it.. regardless of whether or not their in South Bend, Indiana.. My point has been proven through numbers, rankings, all americans both HS and NCAA, percentages, rosters, and History.. and you still say that you have proven that I am wrong.. whatever dude.. just go get on the special bus before your late to school..because you obviously can't read or decipher facts.. hbm

[Hooligan]

just go get on the special bus before your late to school..because you obviously can't read or decipher facts.. hbm
^^Not productive. Do not post comments like this. It is considered flaming. Flaming is not allowed on this message board. Keep it clean.

Now, as for the almost certain reply...DON'T DO IT! If you post a rebuttal to HB's comment, you'll be considered in the same warning.

Play nice.

[SDS416]

^^Not productive. Do not post comments like this. It is considered flaming. Flaming is not allowed on this message board. Keep it clean.

Now, as for the almost certain reply...DON'T DO IT! If you post a rebuttal to HB's comment, you'll be considered in the same warning.

Play nice.


PM'd you Hooligan.

[Hooligan]

I'm going to put a lock on this thread, because I think we've discussed about all we can discuss, without things exploding. Its unfair for anyone who's been publically disrespected to not be able to reply in any way. SDS and HBM, if either of you need to say anything further to each other, please use the private messaging feature.

HBM, SDS, and anyone else, I insist you keep it clean. Private messages are considered in the same light as the regular forum, when they're brough to the moderators' attention.

I'm not reprimanding anyone in particular. That's not my job. My job (what I'm doing now) is to make sure the public forum remains devoid of any of the things that are considered against the rules. The rules are stated in a sticky, at the top of this forum entitled: "read this before posting".