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the wister
01-26-2005, 05:03 PM
Most people wouldn't really refer to negatives as form, they would just describe them as a type of exercise, but in this case, it is the same thing. While perfect form stresses stabalizing muscles and overall lift quality, negatives will help you push past plateus and really gain strength.

Negatives require you to use excessive amounts of weight as well as a lifting partner.

WARNING You must have a partner while doing negatives and it is highly recommended that they be of a large size than you, or at least your weight. Fundamentally, it is impossible to do negatives without a partner. Literally, impossible.

Two definitions you need to know and as applied to weight lifting:
concentric-the contracting portion of an exercise (the first portion of a pull up as you bring yourself towards the bar/the second portion of a dip as you push yourself up away from the floor)
eccentric-the extension portion of an exercise (the first part of a squat when you lower yourself to the ground/the second part of a cable row, when you let the bar slowly return to the weight stack)

With that said, you can concievably turn any free weight lift into a negative. Basically, you just take you max and add 10-20% more weight. You then focus on the eccentric portion of the lift, taking about 10-20 seconds to complete just this portion. I do 10-15 seconds, but the first person who taught it to me used 20 seconds. During the concentric portion, since the weight is too heavy to normally lift, you have your spotter assist you in returning the weight to the starting point. Your spotter should be doing about/at least 50% of the work during this phase. You should only be able to do about 4-6 reps. If you can handle more, add more weight.

For general example I will use my statistics.

Bench Press
I max 135, so I load 155/165. After a lift off, I position the bar directly over my chest and slowly bend my elbows, counting slowly to 10. My spotter follows with his hands under the bar at all times. Once the bar touches my chest, my spotter jerks the bar back up to starting and I repeat 4 times.

Barbell Curl EZ Curl Bar, Standing
I max around 65-75 (bar being 25) so I usually just throw 10 extra on each side. Grasping the bar with an underhand grip, I have my partner yank it up to my chin. From there, keeping my elbows in place, I slowly lower for a count of 15. At 15, the bar is at arms length with my biceps relaxed. I repeat for a total of 6 reps.

Studies have found that most muscle fatigue occurs during the eccentric portion of the lift, therefore, making it more worth while to emphasize this portion of the movement. Also, my teacher (non-academic) told me that I should only do one set of negatives in addition to the usual sets, and that negatives should be done but once a week.

Let me know of any improvements to be made.

1/2man1/2amazin
01-26-2005, 05:49 PM
All good advice. I'd say do them less than once a week though. Maybe 3 times a year, strictly as a plateau buster.

Longest
01-26-2005, 05:54 PM
I would be interested in knowing what studies say on the use of negatives to increase one's max lift. I know you cited studies regarding the eccentric fatigue, just want to know the overall effect. Also, if your teacher's theory on frequency of negatives is supported by more than just his word.

Dan

Cburylax
01-27-2005, 10:55 AM
I'm not a big fan of negatives but I really see nothing wrong with them. As far as increasing your max lift, there are four physiological adapations/areas that I take into consideration when I prescribe a set/rep/temps scheme for this scenario:


1. Muscle Mass/Cell Volume
2. The stretch reflex
3. Muscle spindles
4. Motor Unit Activation

Here is what I would do to have someone increase their bench press (since this seems to be everyone's favorite exercise):

1. Ensure the person has sufficient muscle mass and experience with the exercise with traditional bodybuilding reps (8-12), sets (3-9), tempo (2-1-2).
2. Explain how the stretch reflex and muscle spindles help with contraction and how to use them (read your physiology book)
3. Use a powerlifting scheme of 2-5reps, 3-5 sets, 1-0-1 tempo.

The tempo is the key for powerlifting, this should be an explosive movement with no rest between the eccentric and concentric phases. This will allow maximal incorporation of the stretch reflex and muscle spindles to aid in the lift. After a few weeks of this type of training, you will have a greater amount of motor unit activation within your pecs, delts, and triceps.

All this combined should increase your max lift significantly.

AXL
01-27-2005, 05:53 PM
You know whats a great tip for doing negatives that i came across...
If you feel like doing some negatives for curls, then do some one amred seated curls. If you want to throw in some negatives, use your inactive hand to spot your curling arm! this even works for if your doing sets to failure, instead of a curling spotter just use your resting arm to give it a little push on the last rep. its the same idea as having a bench press spotter help you on the last rep.

nice avatar wister!

HarritonLAX
01-27-2005, 06:00 PM
for football we have tried all sorts of lifting approaches, i have done negatives and im not really a fan. I just lift 3 times a week and max 3 times a year on bench, squat, dead lift, and clean. Negatives are ok but there is no real advantage. Its just like using a resistance band on a boflex (same basic idea)

1/2man1/2amazin
01-27-2005, 06:17 PM
You know whats a great tip for doing negatives that i came across...
If you feel like doing some negatives for curls, then do some one amred seated curls. If you want to throw in some negatives, use your inactive hand to spot your curling arm! this even works for if your doing sets to failure, instead of a curling spotter just use your resting arm to give it a little push on the last rep. its the same idea as having a bench press spotter help you on the last rep.

nice avatar wister!

Thats how I've trained arms for a while. One armed preachers, one armed pull downs. I do over half of my exercises one handed so i can squeeze out every rep possible.

And also, bump on the avatar, very nice.

ANd also again, there are advantages to doing negatives, just like there's advantages to doing 100's or doing 21's when you curl. None of them are the best way to train, but they are all plateau busters, and they do their job.

the wister
01-27-2005, 07:02 PM
Harriton, I don't really see the comparison that you are trying to make between negatives and a bowflex. Maybe a little help here, anyone? AXL, thanks for the tip, I was doing some barbell curls today and didn't have a partner so I had to clean/jerk the bar for each rep (wow, setting a great example). Singles would've been a much better choice.
You'll have to give me a little more detail about 100's, 21's, never heard of them before, but I'm interested. I think my most supported belief is that you need variety if you want strength, next to every rule has an exception (in this case, powerlifting).
Lol, yeah, Victoria Beckham, hottest Briton ever, although I think the panther is stuffed. I adore/envy David B.

1/2man1/2amazin
01-28-2005, 12:02 PM
100's means doing sets of 100 reps, one or two sets per exercises. This gym i used to go to, the woman who owned it used to compete in some Pro-Am thing, and she did them to bust plateaus.

21's are when you're curling, you super set the following: curl from the bottom up to parallel with the ground (90 degrees) then go back down, then go from 90 degrees up to the top of the movement and back down to 90 degrees, then do full curls. Do sets of 18 reps, 15 reps, 10 reps or something close to that.