"The Black Dragon"

[LaxAttack2]

Ok. This might get moved, bc i really couldnt figure out which one it belonged in (stich tech or equip) but heres pics of that shaft im using, "The Black Dragon", idk if its lighter than my 803 but personally i like the feel better and the black is just damn sexy
Here's a link to my webshots (http://community.webshots.com/user/laxattack2)

[joeyp2003]

wow thats nuts what material is it supposed to be?

[LaxAttack2]

to be honest, i hav no idea, but the guy who made it for me builds the chasis for the IRL cars...i think

[mdawg]

that is a hardcore carbon shaft. oh man. tell your friend to make those and sell them. ill buy

[H-townlaxer]

i will buy

[Viperlaxer132]

That is like a harrow on steroids...or crack id have to try it out, looks sweet though

[GCHSLax04]

I know I'd buy one, that thing is hott (thats t * 2).

[lklax]

I will pay big money for won of those, that guy who makes them could seriously start a real company. Making REAL carbon fiber shafts!

[FeelTheRain]

dude thats some hard core ****. when i saw it i was like, wow, thats carbon fiber, no wonder its so light and should be stri=ong as hell. see if that guy can make some more and we can work something out.

[MrTibs]

Are there regulations on shafts?? Are those legal? Looks pretty cool

[LaxAttack2]

lol yeah i know its a pretty tite shaft, its crazy, but yeah i think hes been talking to some people who own our local lax store and their thinkn about startin something up, but yeah if they start mass producing these, id pick one of these bad boys up

[zak]

That does look pretty nice, think you could get some better pictures up (not blurry)?

[GCHSLax04]

How bout you talk to him and see if he can hook us up since we're special :nut:

[LaxAttack2]

lol il put in a good wurd, but don't worry i put you guys in my letter to or at least i described the demand from all my friends at a lacrosse forum, but yeah il work on gettin better pics and gettin this thing running, il keep you guys updated

[senor_k]

It looks like a monster. Like an unbreakable monster. It looks pretty, too.

[Fartman]

i want it...

[kryptic]

I call first dibs (after LaxAttack2)...HAHA..no one called that..

[mdawg]

OH SECOND DIBS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[LaxAttack2]

lol i didnt know this would generate so much buzz, but i got three more pics up by request two of the inside and another of teh whole thing, they're a lil less blury but check em out
http://community.webshots.com/user/laxattack2

[mdawg]

i dig the graphics alot.

[FeelTheRain]

i love the lettering/sticker, it makes me feel.......hot, like a dragon!

[LaxAttack2]

haha yeah lol, i like the whole diamond pattern thing and the letter thing lol thats just a sticker, but its our mascot/logo thing, but yeah its a crazy shaft

[BigTony]

I have one thing to say. Make them in D length.

[LaxAttack2]

one step ahead of you. my friend said that he talked to the guy whos making these and that he said hes gettin to prototype the d length

[senor_k]

That is hot. If I get one, though, I want the sticker that says experimental.

[LaxAttack2]

haha yeah i know i thought the sticker was awesome too

[MrTibs]

if these things are the real deal and are as great as they seem...this guy is gonna make a fortune off TLF alone.

[Orange]

That thing is really as light/lighter than an 803?

[LaxAttack2]

um i dont really have a scale with me that i cud measure it and i dont know how accurate i am just by holding them but this thing is light, not like any titaniums or anything, but it's light, lighter than an 803 i cudnt say

so let's say that we did set up some way of selling these, would all of you buy them or most of you?

[layingthelumber]

I will volunteer to test the d and or attack poles here in Denver to see how well they hold up to the cold, and RRMF play. Also the altitude might affect them. do you have a contact number or address to contact them?

[LaxAttack2]

il talk to them for you bc i dont know how happy theyd be with me giving out their contact info bc them everyone would be calling them, but its not like i dont know them, i see them every so often at school so il just talk to them about it

edit: completely useless, but my bdays in 6 days! or 7! finally 14!

[kryptic]

I will volunteer to test the d and or attack poles here in Denver to see how well they hold up to the cold, and RRMF play. Also the altitude might affect them. do you have a contact number or address to contact them?

Oh, in that case, I'll volunteer to do testing here in AZ where it gets really hot

[LaxAttack2]

haha il talk to him about it, il keep it in mind

[FeelTheRain]

if they were mass produced an were available through a store i would buy one

[Orange]

Being that I have no idea how it performs or really what it's like, I would buy one pending the cost. Nothing expensive because it hasn't really been tested. I'd let all you people who already plan on buying one do the testing because you all seem attached to it already.

[BigTony]

Oh, in that case, I'll volunteer to do testing here in AZ where it gets really hot

I can do the D testing.

[TRELAX]

looks nice. should be around 30 bucks as a start up company though. i mean nothing is proven yet...

[stxbionic42]

man that is sweet. your really lucky... in seattle it rains A TON! i really want one...

[layingthelumber]

well you test things first like harrow did, before going large scale they gave some teams and player shafts here in denver and also out east and west.

[GCHSLax04]

Psh cold in denver, I'll test here in chicago where it gets cooooolllddddd. And I'm a d player. And I rock. So I should get to test the pole for cold climes =D. Thats stick though. Pure sickness. If its got a reasonable price I would definitly be interested in a D length... Would this guy offer replacements however? I mean Unless I protyped one in the cold I'd be sketchy about taking a new item out into the 20 degree weather and hitting stuff with it.

[bobtrack]

I'll test one in box up here in Canada to see really how tough it is

[layingthelumber]

GCHS I totaly agree with you on the taking things out in the cold and hitting things with it, But i strongly diagree with chicago, i have relatives out there and i vist often its not that bad.

[GCHSLax04]

Fah! Last year we were out practicing in 20 degree and lower weather some days :nut: Course we're all crazy up north. We still ride seals fish for narwhals in lake michigan.

[FeelTheRain]

bith of you shutup, i should be testing cold. its been 8 degrees consistently and its gotten to -6 without windchill and u say chi town and denver are cold.

[KnightsLAXDad]

wow thats nuts what material is it supposed to be?

That is wicked cool.

It's carbon fiber twill (silver texalium?), and the inside looks like a carbon fiber
and aramid (aka kevlar) twill weave. You can see examples of the material at
www.sollercomposites.com. It's cool stuff. I made a couple of shafts
for fun using a combination of CF and CF/Kevlar. They guys at Soller suggested
that the inner layers be CF for strength and an outer layer of kevlar because
is tougher and more impact/abrasion resistant than CF.

One shaft turned out ok, but not quite the right shape, the first one was all
misaligned. Both are wicked light and look to be pretty tough, virtually no flex
at all. I can post pictures and describe the process if anyone wants.

Cheer...KLD

[memphislax]

that thing is pretty sweet. Who makes it?? A guy who works on cars?? that is pretty sweet to have some dude make your shaft for you.

[lonekau911]

Dude, its sexy...Hook me up yo, im your best friend

[rebellax10]

Dude, I should be the one testing it. It gets usually around this time -25 everyday.

[exile lacrosse]

KnightsLAXdad could you let me know how those things are made, sounds like it could be pretty interesting.

That shaft is really sweet. i wouldnt mind testing the pole length either. those things are really sweet, and the name and logos are nice too. i really think you could make a bunch of money off these things.

[Laxman3]

That thing is sweet!

[laxlover35]

I would definitely but that. It is amazing!!!!

[Fartman]

u need to find out how light it is (measurements) or compare the weight with an 803

[culbrethlax10]

since people stoped at second dibbs, i call third hehe

[FCLax]

if they actually get something going and want some logos/designs for the shafts or a web site, hit me up man...i'd be more than glad to help out for a small fee...like, well...ya know...my own shaft! wahaha!

but really, i'm interested...:thumbsup:

[FCLax]

hey, i'm at school and our stupid restrictions won't let me see this thing again, can someone post the pic?..

[Lacrosstitute]

Get me a d-pole. I'll love you forever.

[Paul_Gait_RULZ]

Okay, I am a gear hoe, s hok it up, I will give this bad boy a shot in JR B at the beginning of the year on D.

If they make IRLs out of this, it must be tough....

I'd pay, but try to hook it up ASAP for me, got any ohter kicking around???

Pull a jimalax buy one get 50% off at first so the first players get a bit of a props for us trying it...

PM me asap with any info on these shafts

[LaxAttack2]

i didnt know this was gonna get htis huge, but yeah were workin out everything with it so let's not get to ahead of ourselve bc i mean this guys only made like 7 and we're still prototyping, but its pretty awesome, i dont know about strength rite now but as soon as we get this idea going il tell you guys, il try to keep you guys posted!~

[layingthelumber]

Ok , well keep us posted, I am not longer going to post about trying one, i feel kind of like a crack head begging for crack, doing it so , just keep us posted, and keep us here at the forums in mind. ;)

[LaxAttack2]

ok dont worry about it, if we do get this running il make sure to mention my friends over on TLF who are just dying to get their hands on one of these, so il keep you posted. As of rite now, im just printing out a letter i'm gonna give his son tonite and hopefully wel here some news soon

[bigDman]

if theres a dpole length of \\_/ it im so buying one

[goalie4life]

how much do u think a goalie length would b, or attack

[LaxAttack2]

um things like that i really can't answer rite now as we havent even discussed mass production or even seriously spoke about possibly selling them, but whatever info i get il keep you updated, but i wouldnt imagine a rediculous price

[faceitoff]

I don't like composite shafts, but maybe you buy me a Deuce or something. OR new \\_/ bindings.

[Orange]

Rediculously high or low?

[unta8]

I'll test one in box up here in Canada to see really how tough it is
sorry, but no one cares about you, oh 1337 box master.

[mdawg]

well if it high quality carbon wouldnt it be pricey? or not. i have no idea

[layingthelumber]

Carbon fiber it self is not expensive, its the process in forming it and makeing it that take a ton of time and tim is money.

[BuckWyld]

am I right that carbon fiber is soft and comes in rolls, then you put on some sort of firming agent on it and mold it and then it drys hard? do you end up with an edge on the outside of the shaft?

[KnightsLAXDad]

am I right that carbon fiber is soft and comes in rolls, then you put on some sort of firming agent on it and mold it and then it drys hard? do you end up with an edge on the outside of the shaft?

A little CF 101 :chuckle:

I'm no expert, but this is what I've learned.

It's the basically the same idea as reinforced concrete. The bulk of
the strength come from an epoxy glue (the concrete), strong but very brittle.
The CF is strong in tensile (pulling) strength but weak in torsion (twist or bend).
The CF is impregnated with the epoxy to combine the strength features of both
materials. The CF prevents the epoxy from pulling apart under load and helps
distribute the force, and the epoxy adds the rigidity to the CF.

CF can be laid out by hand and shaped around pretty much any kind of form like
a plaster cast or paper mache. Somewhere along the line they figured out in
order to get the maximum strength, you need to get rid of any tiny air bubbles
(voids) and that there is an optimum ratio of epoxy to fiber. You get both by
squeezing out the excess epoxy by vacuum bagging the piece. You suck the
air out of the vacuum bag and it compacts the epoxy/CF around the form,
and squeezes out the excess epoxy.

I am guessing that this is also how you the sharp corners. You put the layers
of material around a form in the shape of the shaft, like a piece of solid aluminum
and when the piece is compacted, the layers confrom to the shape of the form
pretty closely. You couldn't get this by hand. It's like putting layer after
layer of tape on. Each layer rounds off the corner a bit and after several layers
the corners would be completely rounded off.

Making a shaft if not that difficult, nor particularly expensive once you get set
up. It's about $50 in materials at retail prices. The work and expense is getting
set up. A small vacuum bagging system is $2-300, you have to make a suitable
core (called a mandrel), and you have to play around with CF types (there are
many types), number of layers etc. You probably have to make a bunch of
duds that are throwaways until you get the right combination. So that's why
a Harrow costs $100. Materials + operation costs + recovery of research + profit.
I doubt you could get the Black Dragon for much less than $100 unless the
guy is willing to eat a bunch of the up front costs, or take a smaller profit on
each one.

gawd that was long.

[BuckWyld]

sorry, I was not clear in my question. the cf starts as sheets right? therefore you must either wrap it and have the two edges meet or wrap one over the other, so when you are finished the outside of the shaft will have the edge of one of the sheets of cf on it, this seems like it would be a weak point in the shaft, not nessesarily like it would break but what stops it from starting to lift up, catch on things and basically tear its self apart? or does the cf start out in more of a ribbon that is wound down like you would tape a shaft.

[KnightsLAXDad]

sorry, I was not clear in my question. the cf starts as sheets right? therefore you must either wrap it and have the two edges meet or wrap one over the other, so when you are finished the outside of the shaft will have the edge of one of the sheets of cf on it, this seems like it would be a weak point in the shaft, not nessesarily like it would break but what stops it from starting to lift up, catch on things and basically tear its self apart? or does the cf start out in more of a ribbon that is wound down like you would tape a shaft.

I get it. Sorry for the long winded response.

You can get it as a "sleeve" or a continuous woven tube, like a tube sock.
That way there is no seam to overlap. I got some from Soller Composites.
There's a picture of one about half way down this page:
http://www.cstsales.com/HTBuildCarbonSpar.htm
Its neat because the way it is woven, it can expand/shrink in diameter, the
same as the trick finger cuffs. If you pull on it, the weave tightens up and
gets narrower in diameter, the opposite if you push on it. Once you slip it over
a core you pull on it to tighten it up to conform to the core's shape.

It also shows how you would make a shaft, including the vacuum bagging. To
make a hollow shaft, you remove the center core material. It's used a lot to
make model rockets, masts and spars for sailboats, I I have even seen CF
tubes for homemade telescopes.

[KnightsLAXDad]

or does the cf start out in more of a ribbon that is wound down like you would tape a shaft.

This is also a way of doing it called filament wound, which is as you said, a single
thread wound like tape, or two or three threads wound at an angle to each other. A lot of graphite golf shafts are made this way. It's not particularly strong
since the filaments are not interwoven.

[BuckWyld]

good info thanks

[LAXatt]

one step ahead of you. my friend said that he talked to the guy whos making these and that he said hes gettin to prototype the d length

any idea about price

sorry if this is a repeated post i didnt read the entire thread

bith of you shutup, i should be testing cold. its been 8 degrees consistently and its gotten to -6 without windchill and u say chi town and denver are cold.

you can test the shortie,
i call d testing

id be kinda uncertain about buying if there isnt a warranty or replacements are not offered, ive always been sceptical about carbon fiber shafts but id love to try one

[auburnfan2015]

Depending on the price, I would probably buy one

[jedimasterPIMP]

It seems like a pretty sweet shaft, I would defintley get one if the price is right.

[schratxs20]

i want one

[KnightsLAXDad]

Hey farley6 - your PM box is full. I think you want to contact LaxAttack2 not me
about the shafts.

Cheers...KLD

[LaxBoozeWomen]

Well id be willing to spend a good amount to get one of these beastly looking things in a D-pole length...i think were gonna have the next "big" startup company emerge...and in part because of TLF and its members ha....I WANT ONE NOW

[RCLax]

I'm so down for this.

[spark_goalie]

i would buy one if it was goalie legth i am lookin for a new shaft

[Dan]

Ay mang, on looks alone I'd purchase one for D. Um, if you want REAL cold weather testing, hand it off to the Vermonter. Rebellax10, he lives in a place where it gets ridiculously cold in the winter. I would know, I used to live there. Now, Utah, not quite so cold, but if I could get a hook-up, that'd be beyond sweet. And for shortie testing, I'm betting Paulgaitrulz is getting the most abuse in his box games, so I'd send a prototype up to him. This looks fantastic. I remember when I bought an STX R-force for $10. Offset. Hot stuff man, I loves dem carbon fiber shafts. Can't wait to hear more about them.

[stxbionic42]

jeez everytime I look at that shaft i just about have a fit... .... that thing is soooooo hot.. Im deff. buying.

[mdawg]

haha REAL COLD WEATHER?

MAINE BABY! yeah send it up here. they airs mighty cold

[LowRida]

haha REAL COLD WEATHER?

MAINE BABY! yeah send it up here. they airs mighty cold


Maine try Western New York, with all that lake effect snow, its COLD!

[Dan]

Whenever the snow falls, it's always warmer. In Vermont, it gets too cold to snow for about half of the winter. Try a consistent -20 degree windchill for two weeks in a row. Hard. I mean, when the sun shines, it's absolutely awful, because all of that sun reflects right off of the snow and makes it so much colder. It's way better when the clouds are out and it's snowing, trust me on this one.

[ex-lax]

um i dont really have a scale with me that i cud measure it and i dont know how accurate i am just by holding them but this thing is light, not like any titaniums or anything, but it's light, lighter than an 803 i cudnt say

so let's say that we did set up some way of selling these, would all of you buy them or most of you?
ya but dont make them too expensive i can get a one piece carbonfiber hockey stick for 89 you should probably sell them for about 50 and you should see how they hold up carbon fiber is strong but it starts to chip after a while you carbon fiber hockey sticks in 13-14 get broken about every year and ive never seen a lax stick break in a 13-14 game

[ex-lax]

I will volunteer to test the d and or attack poles here in Denver to see how well they hold up to the cold, and RRMF play. Also the altitude might affect them. do you have a contact number or address to contact them?
and ill test a attack pole here in nc where there is basically no lacrosse

[lacrosse64]

Ill buy one for d. On LI here its both cold and hot. Pm me the price once u got it thanks.

[LAXatt]

ya but dont make them too expensive i can get a one piece carbonfiber hockey stick for 89 you should probably sell them for about 50 and you should see how they hold up carbon fiber is strong but it starts to chip after a while you carbon fiber hockey sticks in 13-14 get broken about every year and ive never seen a lax stick break in a 13-14 game

ive seen it happen, a d-man broke his warrior platinum over my friends back

any idea about $ yet

[livinlax24/7]

Eric u thinkg bens dad can make me a D shaft

[TheStok]

I might drool...Thats NICE! I must give u props my friend. U gotta get those things sell'n. Wow....i really want.

[Mavido]

wow, i would buy three. maybe four if i wanted one for my guru.. super sexy.. would you "shaft" be my girl friend?

[RamXman]

If you think chicago is cold come up to mich. If You need to test that bad boy in the cold send it up here. Weve stil got like 2 feet of snow.

[powellman21]

KLD didnt you make a thread about making your shafts, i think i remeber reading it. that black dragon is pretty cool, but boys lets not fight over it. im sure it will be mass produced soon. anything that GLORIOUS has to be, the guy who made its gonna be sayin "ive got a stack full of bills that phone book thick" pretty soon.

[KnightsLAXDad]

KLD didnt you make a thread about making your shafts, i think i remeber reading it. that black dragon is pretty cool, but boys lets not fight over it. im sure it will be mass produced soon. anything that GLORIOUS has to be, the guy who made its gonna be sayin "ive got a stack full of bills that phone book thick" pretty soon.

Yup, it's here in stick tech somewhere.

I think that we have the reverse of if you build it they will come. We're all
here waiting for it to be built!

[SharksLax09]

If you think chicago is cold come up to mich. If You need to test that bad boy in the cold send it up here. Weve stil got like 2 feet of snow.

Haha, i live in michigan too. We have like 1 foot and a half of snow here in Rochester.

[LaxAttack2]

ok you guys, it's the much anticipated update on the black dragon:

right now the creator of the shafts is making more prototypes and passing them around some more and yes dpoles, there is a black dragon prototype going around and it is a beast, and as far as durability goes wtih these things, i havent seen a dent yet, theres a little scuff on the finish or coating bc my friend wanted to try to break it so he took a baseball swing at my blackdragon...nothign happend, ok so this is where i don't know how indepth i can get with details, as far as mass production goes, i don't think that mass production will be possible, mass production as in the way that the big brands do it, these will be almost special order shafts, and so the estimated total of the black dragon as of today is somewhere under $200 think around high grade titanium price range, it's really a you get what you pay for kind of thing as far as i can tell its a beast, not a single scratch and wow it is light, i'l try to update more on the shaft and its specifics as i find out more, but just wanted to keep you guys updated

[TheStok]

......Amen.

[Fr3aKiNRiCaNlax]

Thats the sickest shaft ive ever seen....you if he goes into business tell him to hook us up and make a username on here so he can sell them...... BIG BUCKS $$$

[onlyliving4lax]

How could we get our hands on a prototype?

[attack_03]

That's sweet

[attack_03]

looks strong...not a bad price

[LaxAttack2]

yeah its pretty crazy, hey attack_03 where do you play?

[GBaschski]

Hey, if he's got a spare prototype lying around, I'd be happy to try it out for facing off...y'know, just in case he wanted me to.

[attack_03]

st.richards......same as u!!!!!!!

[LaxAttack2]

who is this? is this ben?

[attack_03]

yes it is...see u

[PimpD-LaxRider]

I would buy on if the price was reasonable...awesome shaft!! :thumbsup:

[attack_03]

How many of u would buy 1 if attack was $200 and d was $250?

[Hookem]

thats really damn expensive... if it is going to be that price

did you get urs for free laxattack?

[Jpettit25]

$200 and $250 is not even close to reasonable for an untested, non-titanium shaft.

[LaxAttack2]

wait ben would that be warranty icluded?

[layingthelumber]

I would pay 250 for the pole, if it had like a two year warranty. I say two year jsut caus it hasnt been extensivly tested yet.

[TexasLax13]

That thing is amazing!

[laxplaya123]

sup ben and eric its ryan h. dang so many people want these things. by the way bens dad makes them. i play on their team and these shafts are so cool. ben has a swerve on his black dragon. if he puts the ball in the pocket the whole stick can balance on his fingertip. the shafts are so light. hough they are 2oo and 250 bucks still get one

[laxplaya123]

ben told me they were making a black dragon goalie shaft. he said that the whole thing would be made out of carbon fiber,even the head!

[Darkness1]

i call first dibs on the goalie shaft

[attack_03]

Im sure there would be a warranty, not sure how long though

[attack_03]

i call first dibs on the goalie shaft

the golie stick is still just an idea

[LAXatt]

250 for a pole is alot

[NY Lax 4]

weight? how many oz does this thing weigh? i would actually consider putting together some money and buying one

[lacrosseplaya58]

I'd pay money for one of those babies- not much mind you because its not tested or anything- but i'd still pay money- it looks hawt

[PuLsE_SpEeD]

ben told me they were making a black dragon goalie shaft. he said that the whole thing would be made out of carbon fiber,even the head!

Hot ****, I'll probably be the first to buy one, can you get more details/pics?

[wes]

I'll get one

[Tex71]

yea i would buy one if it had like a 1-2 year warrenty on it it looks sweet and as a pole i think it would kick ***

[dlaxer]

um i dont really have a scale with me that i cud measure it and i dont know how accurate i am just by holding them but this thing is light, not like any titaniums or anything, but it's light, lighter than an 803 i cudnt say

so let's say that we did set up some way of selling these, would all of you buy them or most of you?

:wow: GIMME ONE OF THOSE!! dude, i want one in d length ohhhh, man, that would be so damn sweet :guns: :yumyum:

[zackass5]

looks nice. should be around 30 bucks as a start up company though. i mean nothing is proven yet...

i would buy one in d length 4 like 60$ or mabye more that kicks ballsak hard but i agree it should be cheap to start couse it's not proven. they should pay us. :agree:

[PuLsE_SpEeD]

I'll test the goalie shaft for free. :agree:

I'm not so sure I'd buy one only because if you break any part of it you have you buy a whole new stick. If it's proven then I'd think about getting one.

[PimpD-LaxRider]

That thing is so cool I wish I could be a tester...is there a price on them???

[PimpD-LaxRider]

i think im in love (with the shaft)...lol

[LAX_Man021]

that is kickass howd u get ur hands on it

[laxboyJZ11]

i think u should send me 1 i know a lot of people on the lacrosse scene so i would b able 2 spread the word about the kick *** shaft u hav

[D Bay]

thats the sickest shaft i've ever seen, hey laxboyjz and i go to the same school i say u give us each one and those things will sell like hot ***! (plus the ppl here r loaded so money's no object lol)

[lax4life6]

i would pay around 150-160 maybe 170. If it has a 2 year warranty i'll pay 200-250. That thing looks so sweet.

[SLINGshot00]

i want :clap:

[PHSLaxDude]

it looks nice but i still enjoy getting kryptolytes for 80 bucks and having them hold out for more than a season. 250 just sounds way to expensive for a prototype shaft (which it kind of is since its newly designed and not fully battle tested yet).

[LCNlaxman]

I think i need to change my pants.

I want one of those hot thangs in D pole but for 250? dang. That's quite a lot.

Another thing to think of is the fact that you need to get it approved by the NCAA and NFHS.

If Ben's dad is making D poles, let us all know. I would go around my neighboorhood collecting pop (soda) cans to get up to that 250 price.

[FaCe-oFF-MIddiE]

dude i would buy one of those that is so wicked awesome it makes me want to start saving up right now.

[jedidove]

call dibs on fourth

[Palmettolax45]

Give it to me in miami its humid and hot here thats a good test i the heat

[Palmettolax45]

I would buy one for like 180, 200 if you get a warrenty

[kamikaze0188]

Stop asking for a free one to test, thats ridiculous.

[Warrior]

Dude a guy allready came on and told bout how to make a carbon fiber shaft..i think it was bens dad...heres the link...

http://www.lacrosseforums.com/showthread.php?t=13120&highlight=lax+shops

[gigo567]

i will by one. That is so sick

[JustLaxn]

That is the tightest shaft ever. I'd buy one.

[raaaay29]

dude that is the raddest shaft ever, that guy looks like he knows what hes doing. i will buy that ONE off you for any price...

[laxattack662]

umm i'll test it in ohio...just cuz it getss rlly hot and cuz nobody from ohio is testing one!

[lacrozstar3]

is he for sure selling them at 200 or whatever? id be interested if it came with a nice warranty.

[Attack027]

Seriously i doubt any of you guys will get to test the prototype so stop asking, if he wants one tested he can ask you. Second of all i think 180 for attack lenght with a 1 year warratny would be a fair price. but they same very nice and come november i'll porb get one if you have them for sale

[LCNlaxman]

Attack027, i think the 180 price was D-pole.

[LAXINonTHEred22]

i would definatly pay some good money for that...........that is SWEET

[EvoWarrior]

that's wicked. that would take some serious hardcore play and stil be like new.

[staaLAX3]

it looks awsome from the webshots but does it accctually work and is it legal ?

[attack_03]

Guys heat and cold don't hav an affect on it

[ccbl91]

dang if that thing is stronger than the voodoo black magic, i would pay 150+ for that black dragon

[LCNlaxman]

Is it even going to be released to the public for mass production?

[Eclipse]

this thread kinda faded but i just read it...seriously are we ever gonna be able to buy these things?

[schratxs20]

yeah seriously i loveee the look of it soooo much

[PhishMeister]

hmm thats pretty friggin tight

[UNCdefense]

HOW MUCH DOES IT WEIGH?????i saw someone else ask this & never saw an answer but maybe i missed it....cause you can get an ignite optra for 160 i think(i got mine for free so i dont know....hehehe.lol) & those things are strong as hell but this does look tight & with a good warranty i'd probably get a d shaft

[laxattack22]

dude thats some hard core ****. when i saw it i was like, wow, thats carbon fiber, no wonder its so light and should be stri=ong as hell. see if that guy can make some more and we can work something out.

same...i would buy it in a heartbeat..depending on the weight..

100th!!!!!!!! :clap: :worship:

[GBaschski]

200 for a shaft? That's ridiculous, I could buy 4 sabres for that much, and I have been using the same sabre for over a year now, and nothing more than a scratch.

[schratxs20]

how u know>?

[UNCdefense]

that makes no sense??What is the question there

[dillz18]

that is sick!!!!! who makes it and where can i get it??????

[play2feet17]

well how much does it cost to make it?

[CNSlax]

I no this has been said but.....ID DEFINATLY BUY ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[XxlacrossexX]

i would get one for 150 buks or less seein that its just a prototype

is it approved by the NCAA and NFHS?

if it is id probly get one,its totally wiked :worship:

[chaldeanlaxplr]

http://http://i17.ebayimg.com/01/i/08/18/82/73_1.JPG

is this a black dragon?

[chaldeanlaxplr]

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[DanTheMan]

you definitely just bumped a 2 yr old thread

[chaldeanlaxplr]

lol thanx i guess but is that the black dragon?

[DB6]

That is the tightest shaft I've ever seen. You NEED to get whoever made it to make some more. I'd pay quite a bit for a shorty.

[laxgoalie66]

I'll test it in goal=)

[ML_LAX09]

I'll test it in goal=)

Judging how this is 2 years old, I wouldn't get your hopes up.......

[laxgoalie66]

Ah I should have read the previous posts =(

[Brandon303]

Judging how this is 2 years old, I wouldn't get your hopes up.......
Actually if you knew anything about these shafts you'd know they're still being sold on Ebay every week or so. They may not be the "original" shafts, but they're essentially the exact same. . .

[sagkeenglaxguru]

thats a sweet looking shaft

[goalie1500]

its a pretty sweet shaft but its expensive to produce and they still have to work out some kinks but ive read up on/followed some tutorials and im pretty handy with carbon fiber too- Its pretty cool stuff-

[lilaxrat15]

yo how much you selling them for..

[newtolax876]

ahh people keep bumping this thread. I don't think he is selling it/he is permantantly banned

[Titanoh]

You can get something like it on Ebay, but its a carbon fiber/cevlar shaft. It was like $70 I think, just type in lacrosse shaft on Ebay and see if it comes up (its goldish and black).

[newtolax876]

those are the composite kevlar shafts that are on ebay i believe.

[lacrossebones89]

what about a warrior villain? i got one new for like $30 a while ago...its a carbon fiber shaft... but its not hollow, i dont think unless its just like a cap...

[CSlax06]

Just a cap, if it were solid, you wouldnt use it due to the weight.

[CJLAX]

shaft looks, good, but not for me!"

[d-man35]

If they make IRLs out of this, it must be tough....


and super light