The New Brine Concept Goggles

[sumSum]

Brine has recently updated their men's and women's lacrosse websites with most of their new 2004 products. This includes a new version of the "caged eyewear" for the women's game. I personally do not like the Cascade Iris goggles and am thinking about getting these since they will not fog or get scratched yet do not hinder your vision as much as the Iris goggles because of their open space in your eye line. What do you all think? I've put an image in to show what they are. I hope they're at the Turkey Shoot tournament.

http://www.brine.com/2k4_lacrosse/images/products/item_photos/concept.jpg

[laxchc11]

I was reading the new 2004 rules and they list all the approved eyewear that can be used. The Concept isn't listed, the Iris is the only goggle on the list w/ wire... just thought I'd trhow that out there

[laxattack]

if i were a girl, i would much rather wear those, they look like they have much better vision...

[JustLaxin]

I love the new Brine goggles. Our team is using them for this coming up season, they are so much better than the Iris'. You can see much better with them. I don't think that they are on the list because they are so new. They just came out a few weeks ago. Our team did not wear goggles in the fall because we were waiting for these to come out.

[sumSum]

Where did your team order them from? Do you know how much they were?

[CDLax2]

if i were a girl i would where the Iris, the Brine goggles look like they offer no eye protection- which defeats the purpose of having them anyways

[laxbabe2121]

true... but the concepts don't have as many wires going across, so you can see better.

[bigDman]

i belive that was already mentioned...

[sumSum]

Oh be quiet.

Anyway, CDLax2-I think now with the whole mandated goggles the one you'll get will be according to how your coach/teach feels about whether or not the goggles were needed. I personally am against mandating goggles so I would prefer to get the least protective with most vision gogles possible. I do not feel that there is a risk of getting hit in the eye. I'm tempted to say "ever getting hit" but I don't want to eat my words if I ever do, especially since the game will be more agressive with the goggles (again, my opinion).

In other words I like the Concept's because they allow better vision than the Iris from Cascade, don't fog, and don't scratch. I don't care about eye protection factor because it will protect me, just maybe not as much as the Iris.

[BuckWyld]

i dont see any reason that these would be less protective than the cascade goggles they do not look like the spacing is large enough for either a ball or a stick to fit in

[Longest]

Biologically speaking, there is a well documented phenomena whereby when people feel safer, injuries actually increase. For example, when seat belts were mandated, the number of serious crashes went up, the conclusion being that ppl drove faster b/c they thought the seatbelt would save them. Same for the push a few years back to make all kids wear helmets for biking and now for the goggles. So sum, I agree with you, I think evidence points to the game becoming MORE physical and MORE dangerous, not less so. Maybe the eye injuries will be spared but there are plenty of serious injuries left that will occur due to the increased physical play.

Dan

[JustLaxin]

Hey Sum...I dont know where our coach got them. I am assuming right from Brine because we are sponsered by them. As for the price I dont know that either. They are an awesome goggle though. I highly recommend them!!!

Longest: I agree...I think that people are going to get more head injuries because defenders are not going to be as cautious when going for the check.

[laxbabe2121]

alrite, these goggles are so gay. i had the cascade on, and i got cut on the head of a stick, i was going in for a btb shot, turned my head to look at the goal, and the girl guarding me, had her stick so close to my face, that it literally pulled off my goggles, and ripped a few layers of skin under my eye. nice going goggle creaters. way to protect us.

[Snake~eyes]

Originally posted by laxchc11
I was reading the new 2004 rules and they list all the approved eyewear that can be used. The Concept isn't listed, the Iris is the only goggle on the list w/ wire... just thought I'd trhow that out there
Here's the page of certified manufacturers -> http://www.nfhs.org/Sports/girlslacrosse_eyewear_manu.html

[DuLAX]

I hear you can get the concepts in custom colors too..true?

[sumSum]

Yep, so true.

The coach at my school says I have to wear the Cascade ones (grrr) but I'm gonna ask for the Brine ones for my birthday for my club team colors.

[LAXgryl]

Yeah, I didn't hear a lot of good reviews on the Cascade Iris, so I guess I'm just going to get the Brine Concept for the coming season. Leslie (Laxchc11) wrote a really good review on how bad the Iris is at www.laxnation.com. I think my coach has the eye on the Iris too, but maybe I can change her mind before our team orders our goggles. Right, Bangerz just came out with wired goggles too. YOu can check them out at www.longstreth.com. Personally, I still like the Brine Concept because there aren't as many wires going across the goggles.

[sumSum]

Weird. Bangerz jut put out new plastic ones. I'm checking out the weird ones now. Thanks for the tip.

[sumSum]

Yeah, I just saw 'em at the site. Labeled under "Halo" which is weird. Is Bangerz renaming their company???

Anyway IMO these are even uglier than the Cascade ones.

[CDLax2]

they look the same as the cascade ones...
PATENT INFRINGEMENT!!!...lol

[sumSum]

Yeah, they do look very similar. The only reason I could see a suit would be because of the bar placement, its almost exactly the same. Yet if you look closely you can see there is an area for the nose so they are different from the Iris ones.

[LAXgryl]

Yeah, they're really ugly. I don't know if they're changing their name or not, since I myself am confuse with Halo and Bangerz itself. The only difference is that it the paddings goes across the nose instead of ending at the cheeks like the Iris and Concept. I really don't think it makes any difference, safety wise, with the Iris. In my opinion, I still think the Brine Concept will give better field vision.

[sumSum]

Ditto here.

[laxbabe2121]

well also the concepts have a better look to them in general. i mean honestly how many times are you gonna get whacked in the face? the goggles are gonna turn into a fashion sort of thing now. just like the kilts. its going to be a competition on which team has the "cooler" goggles. and which team look like geeks on the field. that's what i think goggles are gonna turn into.

[CaliLaxChica05]

my friend has the cascades and they suck. like you all have said you cant see. they stick out so far you could accidently hit your face if you cradle close enough. and they are so annoying i seen her only wear them for at the most of 5-10 min at practices and then she gets frustated and throws them off. the brine ones are defienetly hotter. at least with them you can actually see. and how often have girls ever been hit in the eye? on the head yes but eye? why dont we just have helmets!! total:bs

[laxstar003]

i really want to get the brine, but they still haven't been approved. do you guys think that i should just get them anyway, & i'll still be able to play with them?

[sumSum]

Hmm, I was unaware that they have yet to be approved.

I would wait as long as possible, or just get some cheap plastic ones until then.

I'm planning on getting rid of my Cascades and getting either the Concept's or the new Bangerz plastic lenses.

[laxstar003]

Actually, USLacrosse put out their <a href="http://www.uslacrosse.org/news/eyewearupdate.phtml"> newest list</a> out today, & the Concepts are on there. I'll definitely be buying them now. ;]

My friend had some Bangerz that were pretty neat. I'm not exactly sure which model she had, but they were tinted like sunglasses, so that really helped during tournaments throughout the summer in middle of the afternoon when the sun was shining brightly.

[laxstar003]

i should have added this to my previous post, but i just noticed it.

there is a pair of stx goggles also on the list. has anyone seen those? i couldn't find them on google. i wonder if they are cages or plastic?

[LAXgryl]

I didn't know STX was coming out with goggles...gotta keep my eyes out for them.

On a different note, I tried on the Cascade Iris goggles today at the lacrosse store. I didn't really like their design, especially with the many bars going across, but there was something that I thought was really cool: they fit over my glasses with ease! Usually I just wear contacts during lacrosse practices and games, but I really don't want to this year (considered getting the "over the glasses" kind of goggles). I mean, it was so easy! I didn't feel like my glasses were pressed against my face or anything.

However, I really don't like the Iris' design.....I think the Brine Concept is much better! So does anyone know if the distance between your eyes to the bars of the Concept the same as the Iris? Or at least do you think I can wear my glasses inside the Concepts during games and practices?

Thanks!

[laxbabe2121]

the concepts bars look like they're closer, but if you have glasses go with the iris, beucase they have more bars. so in case something happens, you have more protection over your eyes

[LatinBabe]

true...

I am considering the concepts because my goggles keep fogging up, especiall in this weather.

I have heard only minimal good remarks on the cascades, and wont heard that direction. Im not sure about the concepts since they are relatively new and am not sure whether they will carry the same problems

[laxbabe2121]

well they gotta be better than the cascades right? on my pair, the strap already broke off. but then again, i think i crushed them when i was loading up my car one day. either way, i need new goggles.

[LatinBabe]

from what I hear, yes. But from what I can tell, all the problems come from how these goggles fit your face. Kinda an inherent goggle problem thing. But then again maybe not.

Yeah, i need something like these. So ill go by a few stores later this week and check em out.

[laxstar003]

i'm getting concepts soon ..i already ordered them, i just don't think comlax has them in yet. i can review them for you guys when i get them.

[LatinBabe]

let us know what you think of them when they arrive, im quite curious as to how well they feel/protect.

[laxstar003]

it's a done deal. ;]

[LatinBabe]

GREAT! your the girls lacrosse guinne pig! (just dont fib if they suck ok?)

hahaha... ok ok ok... ill get to writing my tenacity reviews tomorrow... early reviews will be done by the the this time next week. expect more in-depth reviews as the season goes into full-swing.

[LatinBabe]

so about the brine concepts, have you had a chance to play with them yet? need new eyewear before we get too far into the season, im sick if my goggles fogging.

[laxbabe2121]

i tried the concepts already, and the only nifty thing is that the 2 straps that are suppose to go around your head can rotate up and down, so that you can wear the bands higher or lower on your head. the bar's almost directly in your line of vision, unless you wear the goggles really low, but then it hits your cheekbone. as for a choice between the concepts or iris, i'd go w/ the concepts, they look better, and they stick out so much.

[laxstar003]

i haven't gotten mine yet. comlax is being really slow. our team ordered the cascades though. it's hard for me to see the ball when passes go too far out to the side. i've been practicing w/ them for 4 days, and i'm still not used to them. i really want my concepts to come in.

[sumSum]

I think I would sacrifice wearing them low on my cheeks in order to have a clear path of vision. I know I saw UMBC wearing them in all silver somewhere...let me go find it. We'll be able to see how they're wearing them.

[laxchc11]

Originally posted by laxstar003
Actually, USLacrosse put out their <a href="http://www.uslacrosse.org/news/eyewearupdate.phtml"> newest list</a> out today, & the Concepts are on there. I'll definitely be buying them now. ;]



actually, if you look at the US lacrosse list, it says: US Lacrosse is not certifying that products listed below meet the latest standards, nor are we recommending/endorsing those products.


the concepts have NOT been approved for play. Unfortunatley, the Cascades are the ONLY wire goggles that have been approved by US Lacrosse for play

[Niblaxgirl22]

actually i just got a pair of those and they are awsome!!! they are easy to see through because of that open eye line! and i do think that the iris goggles have too many bars across them.. thats why i got the brine comcept goggles!! and on tope of that they are like 10 dollars cheaper for something better and easier to see through!! so if i were you id go out and buy those new brine concept goggles.

[sumSum]

Yes, I tend to agree. The Concept goggles are large...I mean you look like your a frog, as my friends Megan and Ali say, but they are worth it. I've seen a few pairs over spring break training and if you wear them in the right spot you can see right out of them.

I'm personally getting used to my Cascade's and as much as I don't like 'em I don't have a choice.

[laxbabe2121]

yea i have red cascades, and i have a grand old time smakcing my friends in the face with my stick, but gosh, these things are annoying. talk about racoon tan lines.

[DuLAX]

I just got my concepts 2 days ago- i havent played with them yet b/c i have the stomach virus and havent been at prax...But they come out so far- they make me look ridiculous...and i got navy with orange on the side and the orange looks red...yikes!...
But they are comfortable and vision is good--I like the 2 straps in the back and I like the foamy stuff on it- My nose isnt well protected though...hm, overall I like them

[laxbabe2121]

the cage sticks out so far, your nose wont get hit.

[sumSum]

I just saw a picture of a Princeton girl wearin goggles that look like the Concepts but a little different. And I know Priceton is sponsered by STX. Think these may be those STX goggles?

[laxstar003]

yeah i was thinking that too.. i saw a lot of pics of those in the latest inside lacrosse. i think they're called the stx foresight.

[sumSum]

I really like them. In the pictures I've seen they look...well, beautiful. I know that is an odd word to use but they way they are designed makes them seem very feminine and "softer" than the Concept goggles, though look is similar. It seems smaller and lighter too.

[Thrillhouse]

I'm a guy but I had a question about these goggles. Now that you have to wear them, does the game seem any more physical? I've always enjoyed watching girls lax because there was so much skill involved, but I'm afraid that more protective gear will make the game physical and less skillful. Someone tell me I'm worried about nothing.

[laxstar003]

i've definitely been checked in the face/head a LOT more since we've started to wear the goggles.

[laxbabe2121]

yea of course its gonna get more physical, girls are gonna start doing crazier checks, and it might be beucase of obstruction of vision, but also the fact that a check to the face won't hurt anymore

[DuLAX]

well of course, i mean now they changed the checking rules, you can follow through now it just has to be away from the body-- whats next, more equpiment?!

[LatinBabe]

several of the girls who play attack on my team are genning to wear thicker (not quite guys size, but close) b/c the game keeps getting rougher down here.

[CTLaxer]

That picture posted of the new bangerz wire goggles is wrong. Here is what they look like http://www.bangerz.com/images/7000main.jpg

And here is the update list of eyewear manufacturers that the NFHS say meet ASTM standards(though they don't do any certifying themselves)

I'm recomending my players get brine's goggle. the iris is just way too bulky in my opinion, course i'm not the one running around with them on my head List of approved eye wear manufacterers and models (http://www.nfhs.org/scriptcontent/va_Custom/va_Cm/newspage.cfm?category_ID=32&Title=Girls%20Lacrosse%20Sports/Rules%20Information&ItemTitle=Item&ShowArchive=No&head=GL.cfm&Foot=GL_FOOT.cfm)

[sumSum]

Actually, I've seen the Brine goggles in person, and I think that the adult version looks much bulkier. My friends Megan and Ali thing it makes girls look like Frogs, which I agree with. They just make your face so fat looking.

I dont know how to explain it. USLacrosse says the Bangerz one do not meet standards but I dunno bout NFHS.

[DuLAX]

I have the concepts, my coach calls me the shark cause thats what i look like to him when i wear them

[laxstar003]

i don't like the concepts at all. comlax finally sent them to me, and i tried them on. they stick out way too far and aren't comfortable at all. the cascades fit my face a lot better and are much more comfortable. i guess i will be buying a pair of cascades for the off season.

by the way, does anybody know of a good way to clean the cascades? i know that the foam part is velcro, so would you be able to put them in the washing machine or something?

[sumSum]

I dont know if I would put 'em in the washing machine...

I bought replacement foam pieces for just a couple of bucks for two in a package. I got 'em at my local sports store so you might be able to find 'em too. If not, you could prolly just contact Cascade and ask to buy some.

[laxstar003]

ooh alright, thanks!

[cherylz]

my coach said to wash them so often cause of all the sweat and stuff. right on the box it recommends that you do wash them

[Lax101]

im giving this thread a bump...I'm getting my girlfriend a new pair of goggles (because I'm just that nice), and being the cheap person I am, I see concepts are available on lacrosse unlimited for 25. The reviews here are half speculation, and the rest are based on first impressions. Anyone wear em?

[celtlax]

i tried them...just way too big...really happy with the STX...

[CTLaxer]

stx 4sights are better all across the board. I have never used either in a game...being that I'm a male and a coach, but I did try them,both on before ordering some for my team and I highly suggest you dole out the extra $10-20 and get her a pair of STX 4sights.

[celtlax]

imo, most girls hate goggles...i figure the smaller the better...plus that gel type padding on stx is more comfortable than the foam...