? Simultaneous Fouls

[tjslax]

In federation rules: Situation 7.6 I- B1 commits a technical foul with A in posession of the ball in team A's def. half of the field, flag down. Before the whistle resuming play, team A committs 2 Tech. fouls (delay and conduct).
Ruling: First award the ball to team A at center and B1 serves 30 sec. Then for team A's delay of game, award the ball to team B at center and penalize team a for 30 sec (conduct foul). The penalties are non releaseable.

I'm confused about why these are simultaneous fouls. One occured during play and the other two were at a dead ball, sequence can easily be determined.
If they are infact simul. fouls according to article 2 "if the team entitled to posession commits only tech. fouls, no penalty time will be served by that team.

[rilax]

In federation rules: Situation 7.6 I- B1 commits a technical foul with A in posession of the ball in team A's def. half of the field, flag down. Before the whistle resuming play, team A committs 2 Tech. fouls (delay and conduct).
Ruling: First award the ball to team A at center and B1 serves 30 sec. Then for team A's delay of game, award the ball to team B at center and penalize team a for 30 sec (conduct foul). The penalties are non releaseable.

I'm confused about why these are simultaneous fouls. One occured during play and the other two were at a dead ball, sequence can easily be determined.
If they are infact simul. fouls according to article 2 "if the team entitled to posession commits only tech. fouls, no penalty time will be served by that team.
Do not get 7-2-4 confused with simulations fouls. These are not simulations fouls and the proper ruling was applied. Perhaps it was not the best to put the A.R. in the 7-6 section of the rules without saying: These fouls are not simulations and therefore the following procedure should be done: [Rest of rulling].

[LaxRef]

In federation rules: Situation 7.6 I- B1 commits a technical foul with A in posession of the ball in team A's def. half of the field, flag down. Before the whistle resuming play, team A committs 2 Tech. fouls (delay and conduct).
Ruling: First award the ball to team A at center and B1 serves 30 sec. Then for team A's delay of game, award the ball to team B at center and penalize team a for 30 sec (conduct foul). The penalties are non releaseable.

I'm confused about why these are simultaneous fouls. One occured during play and the other two were at a dead ball, sequence can easily be determined.
If they are infact simul. fouls according to article 2 "if the team entitled to posession commits only tech. fouls, no penalty time will be served by that team.

The whole "simultaneous fouls" thing is very confusing. If you feel like investing some time studying it, look over some of these threads:

http://www.lacrosseforums.com/search.php?searchid=111961

However, if you're a new official and this comes up, let the senior official handle it. In fact, some senior officials do it wrong because the wording in the rulebook is so confusing.

It doesn't come up often, and when it does no one below NCAA level is going to realize it if you screw it up except for CoachRob. Instead, focus on the important part: if there are fouls on opposing teams between the time the first flag is thrown and the whistle is blown to restart play, the common penalty time among players from opposing teams is nonreleasable.

[CoachRob]

In federation rules: Situation 7.6 I- B1 commits a technical foul with A in posession of the ball in team A's def. half of the field, flag down. Before the whistle resuming play, team A committs 2 Tech. fouls (delay and conduct).
Ruling: First award the ball to team A at center and B1 serves 30 sec. Then for team A's delay of game, award the ball to team B at center and penalize team a for 30 sec (conduct foul). The penalties are non releaseable.

I'm confused about why these are simultaneous fouls. One occured during play and the other two were at a dead ball, sequence can easily be determined.
If they are infact simul. fouls according to article 2 "if the team entitled to posession commits only tech. fouls, no penalty time will be served by that team.

Let’s break it down into its components.

B1 commits a technical foul with A in possession of the ball in team A's def. half of the field, flag down.

So, B1 was offside (or any technical foul) while A had possession. This means a flag is thrown because B1 was breaking the rules. B1 is GOING to serve penalty time unless team A scores during the slow whistle (SW) situation (that’s essentially what a flag down means: someone is going to the box).

Now, on we go…

Before the whistle resuming play, team A commits two tech. fouls (delay of game and conduct foul).

This is worded HORRIBLY. They never mentioned that the whistle must have blown for some reason (the ball went OOB, team A dropped a pass, took a shot that doesn’t score, etc.). Otherwise, how did we get to a dead ball period? (They forgot to tell us the slow whistle had ended.) Since the ball is now dead, the ref is going to send B1 off for being naughty and getting caught offside. Team A is entitled to possession. But, now there are two fouls called against team A during the dead ball that follows the whistle that ended the SW situation.

Remember that team A was entitled to possession when the whistle blew? But Player A1 now commits a delay of game by walking too slowly over to the ref to get the game restarted. The ref says, “Hey, coach A, it is taking too darned long for your team to start the game back up, so I’m blowing my whistle for a delay of game. Since you guys were ENTITLED to possession, and now have committed a dead ball technical foul, I’m not gonna’ send your player off the field, I’m only going to take the ball away and award the ball to team B. Na na na na!”.

This pisses off player A2, who commits a conduct foul, and the ref says “Hey, A2, you questioning my call buddy? Well, that’s a conduct foul. And since team B has possession, this is a technical foul with possession by team B, so you’re going to the box”.

So, he sends A2 to the box where B1 is already sitting, having been sent off for his 30 second technical foul. Team B still remains entitled to possession at the restart.

Are these simultaneous? No, and that’s why this is NOT a 7-6 case. However, it IS a 7-2.4 case, which basically says that any time opposing players are sent off the field for time-serving penalties from the time the flag is FIRST dropped until the whistle is blown to RESTART play, penalties are locked in (non-releasable) for the common time. In this case, the common time happens to be 30 seconds.

Rule 7-6 is really screwy and is almost a subsection of 7-2.4 IMO. But this is not a 7-6 case, it is a 7-2 case.

Don’t sweat this case. Just try to understand what we said, and you’ll be set.