Media Poll?!

[hbmedic]

As the year rolls on the media poll gets crazier every week.. along with the parity.. Usually I agree with this media poll but this week I seem to disagree with some of it..


1. Johns Hopkins (5-0)- 448 (16 first place votes)
2. Duke (9-0)- 431 (2 first place votes)
3. Virginia (6-1)- 416
4. Maryland (5-2)- 381
5. Navy (7-1)- 370
6. Notre Dame (4-1)- 348
7. Syracuse (2-3)- 335
8. Army (5-1)- 330
9. Georgetown (4-2)- 314
10. Hobart (7-1)- 270
11. Cornell (3-2)- 256
12. UMass (5-2)- 219
13. Princeton (0-4)- 216
14. Hofstra (3-4)- 181
15. Bucknell (5-2)- 165
16. Towson (4-3)- 151
17t. Dartmouth (3-1)- 135
17t. Stony Brook (5-1)- 135
19. North Carolina (2-5)- 131
20. Brown (3-1)- 127


Hopkins - Obviously the #1 team, 'nuff said..

Duke - Now this is where I believe the media poll fails..and Duke even got 2 first place votes.. after only beating Maryland (at an over-rated #4), #19 Carolina, and #9 Georgetown.. and that is the most impressive win so far, because G'town really impressed me at the first four.. So I don't know what to think, I guess Syracuse is just really bad.. Duke is undefeated but is that the only criteria for being #2? Must be..

Virginia - I agree that Virginia deserves #3, who else would qualify, I don't think anyone.. but on the other hand, who has Virginia really played?! Syracuse, Princeton, and Towson?! Thats really worse than Duke...

Maryland - Has two losses, one to a well over-ranked Dartmouth team.. that alone places them out of the top 10.. but then who should be in the top 10 right?! Okay, maybe 8th..

Navy - Another team with an absolutely weak schedule.. and a loss to Bucknell (and don't even bring up their #15 ranking, thats ridiculous..who the hell is Bucknell).. In all reality the only top 20 team Navy has played is Carolina, and we're all familiar with how formidable they are this season..

Notre Dame - Lost to #11 Cornell, and probably shouldn't have..and still has a weak schedule, but beat Carolina, and the workhorse of D1, almost the giant Killer, Hofstra.. I was very impressed with the Dome's middies and goalie against Carolina.. I think they should be 4-5 with Navy at 5 and MD at 6-8..just my opinion..

Syracuse - They seem to be getting the respect of the voters based on history.. They do have a really tough schedule, so maybe I'm just too disappointed in them at this point to give an opinion.. At least they beat Princeton.. They play cross-town rival Hobart this week and its on CSTV Sat. morning.. after that they should roll through the remainder of their schedule.. if they don't, then my feelings about their #7 ranking at this point will be correct.. (Over-rated)

Army - Who?! Why?! Over Georgetown?! I don't think so.. G'town lost to Duke, not Bucknell.. Army lost to Syracuse!! They did beat Cornell but who cares.. I don't get this one..

G'town - Disappointed in their three goals yesterday.. I didn't see the game, don't know what happened.. Their goalie was great in the Syracuse game, but their defense wasn't that great.. the goalie can't do it all, assuming thats what happened..Other than that, they're better than 9th.. they are under-rated..granted they lost to Maryland..but they lose to Maryland Every year..

Hobart?! - Oh god, I hate Hobart.. They owned us (Salisbury) when they were D3.. now their finally crawling, clawing, fighting their way into the top 10 of D1?~! Nooooo... I loved seeing them getting beat up every year after they dominated and won the D3 Championship for 11 or more years straight.. Ugh.. Over-rated.. thats it.. Who have they played?! Ohio State?! Lost to G'town.. beat Rutgers.. neato.. Nah, over-rated, nuff said..

Cornell - Man the rankings from here on out are pretty thin.. Lost to Carolina.. lost to Army.. beat Notre Dame who must've been asleep.. Well over-rated.. Nuff Said..

UMASS - Lost to Albany, and Loyola.. both unranked.. 2 unranked losses makes you unranked in my book.. Way over-rated.. beat #20 Brown.. No idea how they got #12..

Princeton - Shouldn't be ranked at this point in my opinion they're awful, but they have finally reached the cake of their schedule, like Syracuse, so we'll see if they go on a run.. If not, they can go home early this year..

Hofstra - This team is the most hard working, dedicated, and under-rated team in D1... Granted they lost to UMass and Brown early on, but they have really poured it on, outran Carolina and Princeton... lost to Notre Dame.. Their schedule isn't great, but I just really like their heart and fire.. they work very hard for the entire 60 mins of every game.. that gets my respect.. A great program..

I don't even know what to say about the rest of the rankings.. I still think Carolina should be at 15, I mean they beat #11 Cornell last week and still they stayed at 19.. just because of a loss at #4 Maryland and poor showing.. But we'll see, they really need to dig deep and try to salvage their season.. But with the way I've seen them lethargically play their games this season, I wouldn't be suprised if they just gave up.. The rest of the teams between 15-20.. I guess someone has to be there, but being ranked 15-20 clearly doesn't have the power it once had.. Seems like these teams are just here because so many teams have so many losses.. Have a great week.. Hopefully with many top 10 teams reaching the easier part of their schedule things will start to take shape, right now its just kind of like "what do we do" on the minds of the voters seems to me..

hbm

[cannonslax624]

I disagree with some of what youre saying, but a lot of it seems to make sense...Gotta give Duke #2, If not #2, then WHO is? Theyre 9-0 and have played some good competition, UNC is a good team if not overrated...Virginia SHOULD be #3, if not #2, what do you want them to do, should we wait to release a media poll until the season is over? No one has played their whole schedule yet man...I dunno why you keep wondering about these rankings...Show us YOUR media poll!

[SDS416]

This just confounds me beyond belief. I can't see how anyone in their right mind ranks SU at #7 based on their showing so far this season. Nor can I see how Princeton stays in the top 15 much less the top 20 after another pitiful performance this past weekend. I guess those 2 are ranked simply based upon their history and reputation, because there is no way its based on their actual showing so far this season.
There is no question in my mind that ND is a top 5 team this season, and I have no problem seeing up there somewhere in either the 4 or 5 slot. Duke will continue to get alot of votes based on the fact that they are 9-0 and I think some of it comes from the fact they play in the ACC and teams from that conference tend to get alot of respect, regardless of circumstances. As for Hofstra, you are 100% correct. They are truly the little program that could. I admire the style of play and think you are probably right in saying they are under rated and certainly not appreciated enough. Now here is where I have to say something that will make you cringe: Having seen Hobart first hand, they probably are deserving of the ranking they have. They are much like the Hofstra team you love so much. They grind it out endlessly. A real lunch pail kind of squad that works very hard together.

[cannonslax624]

Agreed, Syracuse should NOT be #7, nor should Princeton have their ranking!

[hbmedic]

Yeah, I don't know what the media poll should say.. I really don't.. Like I said at the end, so many teams have so many, and varied losses, that the voters probably have no idea what to do?! I have no idea what order I would put the teams in.. but I'll take a look and see if I can figure it out.. at least it will be good for laugh..

Hbm

[Hooligan]

People in the media aren't always the best to ask, when it comes to figuring out who the best really is. They have bias and opinions just like everyone else, and their decisions are influenced by the information they follow (be it much closer than the average person).

Now, with that said...how an 0-4 team stays ranked is beyond me.

What...does the lacrosse division of the NCAA want to be run like college football, and the BCS?

Unrank Princeton, and slide Syracuse in the 13th hole...then everyone else takes a jump up one position! That may be too simple...I suppose.

:-p

[bm2589]

Bucknell has one of the best attackman in the nation in Chris Cara. He is averaging over 5 points a game. They also have two other good attackmen, and a good goalie.

[SDS416]

People in the media aren't always the best to ask, when it comes to figuring out who the best really is. They have bias and opinions just like everyone else, and their decisions are influenced by the information they follow (be it much closer than the average person).

Now, with that said...how an 0-4 team stays ranked is beyond me.

What...does the lacrosse division of the NCAA want to be run like college football, and the BCS?

Unrank Princeton, and slide Syracuse in the 13th hole...then everyone else takes a jump up one position! That may be too simple...I suppose.

:-p

Well, I suppose your theory of pulling out Princeton is one solution but I still don't think that works real well. There is no way that SU deserves that kind of ranking in the poll. They simply aren't that good. I know that SU has a huge school of journalism and broadcasting and alot of graduates in the media field and I guess they must all vote in this poll. And it does nothing to fix the fact that Hofstra is way underrated at this point, that ND likely should be ahead of MD, Stony Brook is really quite lower than it should be and a couple of other little tweaks.
With regards to your BCS comments, the problem, as I see it, is that the football writers are a larger group of voters, so they are less influenced by "homers" due to its greater sampling. Additionally, more often than not, the coaches poll in football has pretty closely resembled the writers poll, which tells me they are at least close to the same page, whereas the lacrosse poll has contained some great differences, some as much as 3 or 4 spots between the 2 polls. And as a student of the game I have always felt that the coaches poll was a far more accurate reflection more often than not, as to representing an accurate picture of the lacrosse landscape. To me the media poll is really closer to a popularity contest than anything else. Hell, I find the fan poll at Laxpower to be a better poll than the media poll that IL releases.

[hbmedic]

Who?! :lol:

hbm

[SDS416]

I knew you'd love that....LMAO

[stegmakk]

HBM...I agree with about half of what you said...but upon re-reading it, it sounds (not sure if I am interpreting it wrong), like just about every team you said should be ranked lower...If you do this you'll have a top 3 teams and no one else...you have to rank teams, and this year is tough with some upsets and weird losses...neither is perfect, but Laxpower's poll seems closer to my feelings than the media poll (THIS WEEK)

[SDS416]

Well if I had a ballot, it would look like this I guess...

1. Hopkins
2. Duke
3. Virginia
4. Notre Dame
5. Maryland
6. Navy
7. Army
8. Georgetown
9. Hobart
10. Cornell
11. Hofstra
12. Bucknell
13. Stony Brook
14. Syracuse
15. Towson
16. Dartmouth
17. Brown
18. Denver
19. UMASS
20. Delaware

Disclaimer: just my opinion, and this was assembled in about 5 minutes of thought....I'll give it some more thought tonite at home and maybe give it a tweak or 2.

[hbmedic]

Alright, here is my own personal opinion and how I would rank teams thus far.. This is based mostly on who they've won and lost against, where they began in pre-season polls, and their strength of schedule rankings.. Let me know what you think..

1. JHU (Obviously)
2. Duke (I think UVA is better but #2 by default)
3. UVA
4. Notre Dame
5. Syracuse (tough schedule, defending champs, losses to all top 10's)
6. Navy (I know their 7-1 but a loss to Bucknell is undeniable)
7. UMD (lost to Dartmouth, c'mon.. lucky I gave em' 7)
8. Georgetown (losses to Duke & MD, only reason their 8, better then MD)
9. Hobart (lost to G'town)
10.Army (lost to Syracuse)
11.Hofstra (all heart and effort but lost to UMASS/Brown/JHU/Notre Dame)
12.Brown (lost to UMASS)
13.Towson (only lost to MD/UVA/Delaware Ugh..but better than that)
14.Carolina (still think they're a good team, tough schedule)
15.Cornell (lost to Carolina/Army - undeniable)
16.Princeton (strength of schedule, they'll climb back now)
17.UMASS (lost to Albany?!/Loyola + weak schedule)
18.Loyola (lost to Towson/PennSt/Duke beat UMASS..)
19.Denver (hate to say it, but I think they belong here)
20.Ohio State (tough season, close losses, Play hard.)

And thats how I see it.. No Dartmouth (lost to Sacred Heart, beat UMD on menstrual cycle), No Stoney Brook (unranked schedule), No Bucknell (unranked schedule, caught Navy sleeping, so what).. Neither of these three teams could beat my 15-20 in 2 out of 3 games.. so I knocked em' out.. Just my opinion.. hbm

[SDS416]

Did it pain you to type the name HOBART next to the #9 slot in your poll???? :)

[hbmedic]

This entire season pains me.. I mean I want Hopkins to win but I want them to win when everyone else is on, not because everyone else is off.. hbm

[hbmedic]

Well if Holy Cross had the talented individual players, strength of schedule ranking, and championship History of Syracuse or Princeton, I would agree with you, but they don't. The calibre and background of every individual player on those two teams alone, allows them respect.. Add the tough schedule filled with top 10 teams they've had to play so far, and their history of bringing it in the tournement and winning championships through adversity, and you've got what appears to be respect/reputation ranking..

Syracuse now plays Hobart, Brown, Loyola, Cornell, Rutgers, Albany, and UMASS.. and if they don't win every single game, I will agree with you.. But I think they will..

Princeton plays Yale, Penn, Rutgers, Harvard, Cornell, Dartmouth, and Brown.. an even easier schedule than Syracuse, and luckily for Princeton because they are in big trouble.. and if they don't win Every single one of those games, I will agree with you.. and I'm not sure they will.. Someone compared them to UVA last year, their worse than UVA was last year.. But I can't let them go just yet.. They've come around too many times and suprised everyone.. and Tierney I don't believe will let them give up..

hbm

[hbmedic]

Well, thats because I reconsidered when I was able to really go over the wins and losses of other teams in D1..and when I really looked at Princeton's schedule and loss margins.. its hard to just take princeton out, at 0-4 I think everyone else feels like their awful.. but the fact that they've only played 1/3rd of their schedule and all that remains are Ivy league and low or unranked teams, you have to still assume that they will be able to gain a few wins here against Yale, Penn, Rutgers, and Harvard and gain confidence and chemistry before facing Cornell and Brown who will probably fall by then and will have lost confidence.. So you have to factor that stuff in, otherwise you take them out of the top 20 just to put them back in next week or the week after and that looks silly.. When you can already guess their better than the teams ranked below them even at this point and some of the teams ranked above them.. SO that is why I seemed to have contradicted myself.. Okay.. hbm

[DC-Lax-Crew]

After having the chance to watch Duke plaster Gtown this weekend, I've got to say, I may have been selling Duke short this season. They came to play and are playing some damn good ball. That being said, I still say they drop two or three games in the ACC regular season or tournament, especially since the ACC tournament adds two extra games against UNC/UMD/UVA.

Hopkins is the obvious #1. Duke is #2 be default. UVA is #3 because they apparently still haven't figured out how to play on turf. After that it's a crapshoot. Wait a few weeks for the ACC schedule to shake out, and for Duke to play Hop, and then I'll put a little more stock into media polls.

[jmplax31]

Do I smell a TLF fans poll?

[SDS416]

Do I smell a TLF fans poll?


What I'd like to propose is a TLF members Poll similar to the one that Laxpower does. They have a committee of posters who submit a ballot based essentially on the same points ranking formula that the coach's poll uses. Those fans also submit comments, nothing in depth, just a quick one line or so blurb, with each one.
I'd be glad to chair this effort and compile the ballot totals, and post a ranking and selected comments from the voters. I would suggest that all ballots must be in by 12 noon on Monday via email, so that I can have the poll posted for the general public by 9am Tuesday morning.
I am not sure how you want to go about selecting the body of voters for this if you were to do it. I think no more than 20 voters is needed.
Just a thought.

[hbmedic]

No way.. a poll administered by you would look like this..

1. Syracuse
2. Hobart
3. Hofsta
4. Nazareth
5. RIT
6. Monroe CC
7. Hopkins
8. Duke
9. UVA

etc..etc..etc.Yeah, I smell somethin' alright.. :lol:

hbm

[SDS416]

LMAO, good try. In all honesty Monroe is about the most over rated JUCO team in the world right now. If they didn't play such a cupcake schedule, they would be exposed for the fraud that they are. BTW, there is no way SU is #1 at anything right now.
You gotta come east if the fighting Seagulls end up facing Naz in the Finals in Philly...

[hbmedic]

I plan on coming home sometime this summer, but I have to pretty much stay in Maryland when I do it.. I plan on going to an MLL game when I come home. If I came home every time Salisbury was in the final I'd have to come home every memorial day.. he he..

hbm

[SDS416]

well with Dartmouth losing to Albany I guess the rankings get shuffled again this coming week...not to mention tonite's 'Bart and SU game.

[hbmedic]

I told you man, No Dartmouth, No Bucknell, No Stoney Brook.. Since when can you catch a team snoozin' and end up in the top 20?! They don't belong.. I like Hobart, but I want Syracuse to win this game.. They have to start to come back now.. Noone will be suprised if Hobart doesn't make the tourney.. Syracuse has to make the tourney or they'll be lynched.. hbm

[SDS416]

The only differnce between SU and everyone else is the fact that the selection panel will probably be willing to overlook a bit more for them than they would for anyone else, whereas a win over SU would really be a huge shot in the arm to Hobart's tournament chances.

[SwRLaX10D]

As the year rolls on the media poll gets crazier every week.. along with the parity.. Usually I agree with this media poll but this week I seem to disagree with some of it..


1. Johns Hopkins (5-0)- 448 (16 first place votes)
2. Duke (9-0)- 431 (2 first place votes)
3. Virginia (6-1)- 416
4. Maryland (5-2)- 381
5. Navy (7-1)- 370
6. Notre Dame (4-1)- 348
7. Syracuse (2-3)- 335
8. Army (5-1)- 330
9. Georgetown (4-2)- 314
10. Hobart (7-1)- 270
11. Cornell (3-2)- 256
12. UMass (5-2)- 219
13. Princeton (0-4)- 216
14. Hofstra (3-4)- 181
15. Bucknell (5-2)- 165
16. Towson (4-3)- 151
17t. Dartmouth (3-1)- 135
17t. Stony Brook (5-1)- 135
19. North Carolina (2-5)- 131
20. Brown (3-1)- 127


Hopkins - Obviously the #1 team, 'nuff said..

Duke - Now this is where I believe the media poll fails..and Duke even got 2 first place votes.. after only beating Maryland (at an over-rated #4), #19 Carolina, and #9 Georgetown.. and that is the most impressive win so far, because G'town really impressed me at the first four.. So I don't know what to think, I guess Syracuse is just really bad.. Duke is undefeated but is that the only criteria for being #2? Must be..

Virginia - I agree that Virginia deserves #3, who else would qualify, I don't think anyone.. but on the other hand, who has Virginia really played?! Syracuse, Princeton, and Towson?! Thats really worse than Duke...

Maryland - Has two losses, one to a well over-ranked Dartmouth team.. that alone places them out of the top 10.. but then who should be in the top 10 right?! Okay, maybe 8th..

Navy - Another team with an absolutely weak schedule.. and a loss to Bucknell (and don't even bring up their #15 ranking, thats ridiculous..who the hell is Bucknell).. In all reality the only top 20 team Navy has played is Carolina, and we're all familiar with how formidable they are this season..

Notre Dame - Lost to #11 Cornell, and probably shouldn't have..and still has a weak schedule, but beat Carolina, and the workhorse of D1, almost the giant Killer, Hofstra.. I was very impressed with the Dome's middies and goalie against Carolina.. I think they should be 4-5 with Navy at 5 and MD at 6-8..just my opinion..

Syracuse - They seem to be getting the respect of the voters based on history.. They do have a really tough schedule, so maybe I'm just too disappointed in them at this point to give an opinion.. At least they beat Princeton.. They play cross-town rival Hobart this week and its on CSTV Sat. morning.. after that they should roll through the remainder of their schedule.. if they don't, then my feelings about their #7 ranking at this point will be correct.. (Over-rated)

Army - Who?! Why?! Over Georgetown?! I don't think so.. G'town lost to Duke, not Bucknell.. Army lost to Syracuse!! They did beat Cornell but who cares.. I don't get this one..

G'town - Disappointed in their three goals yesterday.. I didn't see the game, don't know what happened.. Their goalie was great in the Syracuse game, but their defense wasn't that great.. the goalie can't do it all, assuming thats what happened..Other than that, they're better than 9th.. they are under-rated..granted they lost to Maryland..but they lose to Maryland Every year..

Hobart?! - Oh god, I hate Hobart.. They owned us (Salisbury) when they were D3.. now their finally crawling, clawing, fighting their way into the top 10 of D1?~! Nooooo... I loved seeing them getting beat up every year after they dominated and won the D3 Championship for 11 or more years straight.. Ugh.. Over-rated.. thats it.. Who have they played?! Ohio State?! Lost to G'town.. beat Rutgers.. neato.. Nah, over-rated, nuff said..

Cornell - Man the rankings from here on out are pretty thin.. Lost to Carolina.. lost to Army.. beat Notre Dame who must've been asleep.. Well over-rated.. Nuff Said..

UMASS - Lost to Albany, and Loyola.. both unranked.. 2 unranked losses makes you unranked in my book.. Way over-rated.. beat #20 Brown.. No idea how they got #12..

Princeton - Shouldn't be ranked at this point in my opinion they're awful, but they have finally reached the cake of their schedule, like Syracuse, so we'll see if they go on a run.. If not, they can go home early this year..

Hofstra - This team is the most hard working, dedicated, and under-rated team in D1... Granted they lost to UMass and Brown early on, but they have really poured it on, outran Carolina and Princeton... lost to Notre Dame.. Their schedule isn't great, but I just really like their heart and fire.. they work very hard for the entire 60 mins of every game.. that gets my respect.. A great program..

I don't even know what to say about the rest of the rankings.. I still think Carolina should be at 15, I mean they beat #11 Cornell last week and still they stayed at 19.. just because of a loss at #4 Maryland and poor showing.. But we'll see, they really need to dig deep and try to salvage their season.. But with the way I've seen them lethargically play their games this season, I wouldn't be suprised if they just gave up.. The rest of the teams between 15-20.. I guess someone has to be there, but being ranked 15-20 clearly doesn't have the power it once had.. Seems like these teams are just here because so many teams have so many losses.. Have a great week.. Hopefully with many top 10 teams reaching the easier part of their schedule things will start to take shape, right now its just kind of like "what do we do" on the minds of the voters seems to me..

hbm
Some of the things Im not sure I can agree with. First of all: Why shouldn't Duke be #2? they beat Carolina, Maryland, Loyola and they have one of the best returning offensive lines I've ever seen on a DI team since the days of the Powells. Second, Maryland does deserve to be at the #4 rank. They only lost to Duke, a really good offensive team, and up-and-coming Dartmouth. Cut them some slack!!
There are some things I CAN agree with you. No way in hell should Princeton be ranked!!! Even though their first four games before the Ivy League schedule starts were pretty tought teams (excluding Hofstra, they weren't ranked at the time). Also, Army should be lower in the ranks! They have one of the easiest schedules I've even seen! Look at it: Lehigh, Laffayete, and Colgate. I'll give them credit for their wins against Rutgers, Cornell and Hofstra...but other then that, they shouldn't be in the Top 10!!

[SDS416]

Some of the things Im not sure I can agree with. First of all: Why shouldn't Duke be #2? they beat Carolina, Maryland, Loyola and they have one of the best returning offensive lines I've ever seen on a DI team since the days of the Powells. Second, Maryland does deserve to be at the #4 rank. They only lost to Duke, a really good offensive team, and up-and-coming Dartmouth. Cut them some slack!!
There are some things I CAN agree with you. No way in hell should Princeton be ranked!!! Even though their first four games before the Ivy League schedule starts were pretty tought teams (excluding Hofstra, they weren't ranked at the time). Also, Army should be lower in the ranks! They have one of the easiest schedules I've even seen! Look at it: Lehigh, Laffayete, and Colgate. I'll give them credit for their wins against Rutgers, Cornell and Hofstra...but other then that, they shouldn't be in the Top 10!!

Well, not to burst your bubble there about Dartmouth, but they dropped one to Albany yesterday, and they can tune in next week for their freefall out of the poll I would think.

[TitanLax]

Syracuse and Princeton are over-rated.
I do not care who you are. Not having a single win and being ranked 13th is BS. If a team like Holy Cross (picking random team here) played the same 4 teams that princeton did and lost nobody would even think or concider them to be ranked in the top 25 or 30. Being Princeton is no different. It is not like they even have a SINGLE win!
word...this is such BS guys...come on stop giving them "strength of schedule" respect. strength of schedule can be used in their favor when they win...but when u lose it's like "tough loss but let's win next time". hb man good rankings but it seems there r a lot of teams ur not giving respect just cus they r playin nobodies...not sure yet if that's fair or not of u.
the thing comes down to r u gonna give guys better rankings for losing to good teams than the teams who beat bad ones? doesn't work to me.
princeton has to be out of the rankings, without question. if they win then yes let them back in, but u can't look at their potential, only what they ahve done...and they have just lost.
and to agree with stegmakk, ya hb man ucan't have 20 overrated teams cus that leaves for no rankings...just a theory there

[hbmedic]

Okay, well then we may as well scrap pre-season rankings because at that point all of the teams have no wins.. You have to give the teams respect as far as strength of schedule, history, last year's results, and most of all individual player's abilities and calibre on the team.. which is why Princeton is there.. And they deserve it.. a team can't just drop from #3 out of the rankings with 4 losses against top 10 teams.. They can drop out of the top 10, which they did, but to drop off the polls completely, that would be ridiculous, because you have to know as well as the coaches do, that they would beat other teams in the later rankings such as Stoney Brook, Dartmouth, Bucknell, and Brown.. That is just how it works.. My rankings include a lot of teams that aren't in the current rankings, but it also includes Princeton, because, lets be realistic, Princeton would beat those teams I left out and probably some of the teams in the rankings.. You can't just get angry with them and cut them out.. thats not how it works.. They still have that potential due to the fact that they have a great coach and great individual players at every position.. hbm

[swordsman]

Hofstra is way overranked a good work ethic does not mena that they don't have a bad record 3-4 is like 43 percent and Stony Brook has 5-1 which is a 83 percent win. Why's everyone against stony brook/ I know this is a old pole but even now Stony Brook's WAY underranked.

[billymac864]

NEW POLL FROM LAXPOWER.COM
College Computer Rating

NCAA Division I — Sun Apr 17 10:22:21 EDT 2005

TSI Poll Computer Rating RPI Strength of Schedule Quality Wins Losses Trend

NCAA Selection Criteria Conf. Standings Games/Scores Upsets Accuracy

See Computer Ratings for an explanation. The computer ratings match power ratings with game scores and home-field advantage (hfa). The average hfa for this division is 1.36 goals. The hfa is adjusted when the % of games played (currently 76.05%) is greater than 25%. All other factors are included in the TSI. A ten goal limit is used TGL in order to discourage "running-up-the-score."

The 2005 season is underway. Remember that since the Power Rating is an average value, teams have to play around five games for it to be really meaningful.

Power SOS
Rank Poll Team Rating Rank W L T

1 1 Johns Hopkins 99.90 2 9- 0- 0
2 2 Duke 99.32 14 12- 1- 0
3 3 Virginia 99.03 5 8- 2- 0
4 8 Cornell 98.15 9 7- 2- 0
5 10 Massachusetts 97.32 20 8- 2- 0
6 9 Maryland 97.28 3 5- 5- 0
7 6 Syracuse 97.05 4 6- 4- 0
8 North Carolina 96.72 1 4- 7- 0
9 14 Notre Dame 96.46 13 6- 3- 0
10 5 Georgetown 95.90 16 8- 2- 0
11 6 Navy 95.80 26 9- 2- 0
12 19 Brown 95.71 17 5- 3- 0
13 15 Denver 95.35 25 6- 3- 0
14 18 Yale 95.29 21 7- 2- 0
15 4 Army 95.27 22 9- 2- 0
16 16 Towson 95.19 8 8- 3- 0
17 Princeton 94.93 6 2- 6- 0
18 Stony Brook 94.73 40 8- 3- 0
19 16 Hofstra 94.58 7 6- 6- 0
20 Delaware 94.46 33 8- 4- 0
21 12 Bucknell 94.11 37 7- 3- 0
22 UMBC 94.07 24 5- 6- 0
23 11 Dartmouth 93.99 19 5- 3- 0
24 13 Albany 93.47 27 7- 3- 0
25 Loyola 93.25 18 4- 5- 0
26 Ohio State 92.73 23 4- 5- 0
27 Villanova 92.53 31 6- 5- 0
28 Penn State 92.49 15 5- 5- 0
29 Hobart 92.27 34 5- 5- 0
30 Drexel 91.91 41 8- 4- 0
31 Rutgers 91.90 12 4- 6- 0
32 20 Fairfield 91.82 35 8- 2- 0
33 Pennsylvania 91.73 10 1-10- 0
34 Harvard 91.66 11 4- 5- 0
35 Lehigh 91.42 46 7- 4- 0
36 Sacred Heart 91.06 29 4- 7- 0
37 Colgate 90.87 43 7- 5- 0
38 Air Force 90.60 30 3- 6- 0
39 Butler 90.07 32 4- 4- 0
40 Binghamton 89.97 28 2- 8- 0
41 Manhattan 89.89 49 5- 4- 0
42 Bellarmine 89.46 57 11- 1- 0
43 Quinnipiac 89.02 36 2- 8- 0
44 Mount St. Mary's 88.77 44 5- 6- 0
45 Vermont 88.36 47 2- 7- 0
46 Marist 88.28 50 4- 5- 0
47 Providence 87.39 52 4- 7- 0
48 St. John's 86.46 39 2- 9- 0
49 Holy Cross 86.37 45 3- 9- 0
50 Canisius 85.61 54 3- 5- 0
51 VMI 85.57 55 5- 5- 0
52 St. Joseph's 84.88 48 1- 8- 0
53 Lafayette 84.76 38 2-10- 0
54 Siena 84.71 56 2- 9- 0
55 Hartford 84.41 42 2- 9- 0
56 Wagner 83.73 53 1- 9- 0
57 Robert Morris 83.14 51 0-11- 0