Box Helmets

[bobtrack]

Hey not sure if this is the right section to ask this but what type of helmets do you guys wear for box? I use a Bauer 5000 with the SR 20/20 cage

[LL71]

right now im rockin teh gait box but soon il be using a 5000 and a box cage i duno what they are called tho......

[Hooligan]

I'm going to leave this thread here, since you're going to get the best response for your question here. But in the future, use the "equipment forum" for any equipment questions.

Personally, I use a Nike hockey helmet with a Cooper face cage. Cheaper and just as functional as any pre-fab box helmet. Here's a pic, in case you wanted to see how that looks:
http://img176.exs.cx/img176/8097/picture629a6nm.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

[k-min]

I believe those cages are illegal in Canada now. The ball can fit throught the eye holes...

[Hooligan]

Yeah, they probably are. It would take a hell of a shot to get it through there, but you're right it could go.

There are much safer face cages to attach to a helmet though. What the heck is the name of that one cage? Can't remember it for the life of me....

[Paul_Gait_RULZ]

O'Neil cage is the popular one in the NLL with wider eye slots

there is one called 20/20 NAMI/STX that is the same design with narrower eyes and the ball doesn't fit thru

O'neil cages the sticks and balls can sneak through

Personally until refs get at me I have an old cooper cat eye the same as marechek's and I hacked out the back portion that goes over the ears.

Chris Osgoode had one of the cages I speak of...

[Hooligan]

PGR...here's to the refs never catchin' us!

[Paul_Gait_RULZ]

yea easier said than done, I still play OLA jr and intermediate box lax, they are tight about buckets, at least what cage.

and my teams get mad in jr, because they supply a bauer fitted with the NAMI/STX cage and I switch it to the ol' dirrrty cat eye

[RockStar]

I'm going to leave this thread here, since you're going to get the best response for your question here. But in the future, use the "equipment forum" for any equipment questions.

Personally, I use a Nike hockey helmet with a Cooper face cage. Cheaper and just as functional as any pre-fab box helmet....

Can you still buy those Cooper cages in PA?

I'll gladly pay you to pick me up a new one, just let me know how much you need.

I've been trying to get a more vintage look to my gear. I actually had a chance to buy a really cool 1970's style T-bar cage, but the GF would cut off my balls if I ever actually took the floor using that one! (Think like a single bar football mask, like a handful of punters/placekickers wear, and then add a single vertical bar the same thickness.....might as well not wear a facemask!)

So, I've been searching high and low at second hand stores for one of those Coopers. Looking to beat the crap out of it to give it that chipped paint Marachek/Soudan kind of look.

Then I'll maybe put the sucker on a Cooper SK-600 or SK-2000 for a real vintage feel. Or, maybe I'll get real lucky and find one of those paper-thin Wayne Gretzky style Jofa buckets to put it on!

[Hooligan]

Can I really condone this kind of behavior? Of course I can! After all, its boxla!

Unfortunately I can't really help you out in finding another Cooper. I actually found that face cage in some old softball equipment my school was throwing out. <--(you know I can't be making this up...its just too nuts to imagine) The cage needed a small alteration (one bar across the top needed to be removed). I'll look through that equipment just to see if the phys ed department accidentally got some of the equipment mixed.

I'm thinking the cage might have come from the old girls lax supply (I'm not kidding here), and if thats the case, then I'll try to smuggle you one out.

But if I can't find another one, I don't know if I can help you find one to buy.

But poppin one of those bad-boys on to a Joffa bucket...damn man, you are INSANE!!! LOL

[RockStar]

....

But poppin one of those bad-boys on to a Joffa bucket...damn man, you are INSANE!!! LOL

You know the drill:

If you can find another spare, I will be eternally grateful and will reward you with several of the BEvERages of your choice.

As for the Jofa - only for very friendly pickup ball when all I'm looking for in a helmet is a structure to hold the facemask over my eyes and teeth!

[k-min]

It actually is an old softball catcher's mask. I bought mine brand new here in SK and had to take off all the padding. I still have it somewhere in the basement. They are banned here so I had to go to the O'neill

[Hooligan]

Alright! At least now I know why it was in there...and now I know where to continue my search. Thanks for the info K-min. Then I guess theres still more of those cages in that pile of crap in the phys ed closet.

[Paul_Gait_RULZ]

k-min, is that like toth's old cage?

if so i want one....

Rock, I just need to tough training camp with the cats and then I will probably send it to you, because I either have to go back to the cascade for intermediate or I get a o'neil from jr's...

Although I freggin' love that damn cage, I cannot wear it in league play

unless you happen to have another o'neill kicking around?

or one of those newer legal ones, NAMI's?

BTW, steve te goalie has one that is beat up you can modify, it still has white but you can grind it al off, the only difference his that his is a dual bar in the middle and the eyes are a tad smaller I think.

[Stonewall35]

I do remember that those cages were used as early as 1992. Back then, standards were should I say a bit lackadasical. Also, Kaleb Toth did use that cage during his early days with Victoria in the WLA and Toronto in the NLL.

Nowadays, the CLA is getting a bit too strict on helmets and cages due to liability insurance.

[regulate34]

i got a ccm something with a mask kinda like the marty O'neel but it is leagle

[RockStar]

....Nowadays, the CLA is getting a bit too strict on helmets and cages due to liability insurance.

Not really in Ontario

A few guys in Major are still wearing 1988 vintage face cages.

Just need a few more defensemen to go back to wood!

[laxgirl45]

[QUOTE=Hooligan]Yeah, they probably are. It would take a hell of a shot to get it through there, but you're right it could go.

QUOTE]

I've seen it happen. Some kid on my brother's team ran right through this guy's shot and it hit him in the face mask so hard that the ball wedged itself through the eye thingies and broke the guy's nose.

[RockStar]

.....
unless you happen to have another o'neill kicking around?

or one of those newer legal ones, NAMI's?

BTW, steve te goalie has one that is beat up you can modify, it still has white but you can grind it al off, the only difference his that his is a dual bar in the middle and the eyes are a tad smaller I think.

We'll be in touch about this.

One thing is I don't want to take your cage away from you.

If you don't end up playing competitive this summer, you can use the ghetto face cage for men's rec!

I'll try to get in touch with Steve. As long as the bottom of his goal cage goes below my chin, it might be a winner!

[Stonewall35]

Not really in Ontario

A few guys in Major are still wearing 1988 vintage face cages.

Just need a few more defensemen to go back to wood!

Agreed, the more wood I see on the floor, the better.

[k-min]

I googled the model number (Cooper sfg 110)and got quite a few hits...

here's one with a frontal pic
http://www.anacondasports.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10551&storeId=10201&categoryId=169852&langId=-1&sportId=49303&productId=111396

[boxingit2]

hey that first bar on the on'neil mask do any of you guys know how wide it is?

[RockStar]

hey that first bar on the on'neil mask do any of you guys know how wide it is?

Top horizontal bar?

maybe 5 mm (1/4")

[boxingit2]

oh no sorry for that i meant the one right below it

[k-min]

Aren't all the bars the same on the O'neill...

http://www.lacrosse.ca/equip1.asp?PD1=000004

[boxingit2]

what i meant was the distance between the first two bars that you would look out. If you look and the picture you attached those bars are a little more spread apart or slanted then the other bars.

[RockStar]

what i meant was the distance between the first two bars that you would look out. If you look and the picture you attached those bars are a little more spread apart or slanted then the other bars.

Eye-holes:

About 2" at the middle bar, and tapers to less at the sides.

[k-min]

They are about 1 cm (about 1/4 inch) wider than my cpro mask at the centre bar and .5 cm (1/8 in.) narrower than the cpro at the outer edge

[craigers14]

i am using a bauer 4000 with a NAMI 20/20 cage it works like a dream and looks pretty rad as well

[SF_13]

man helmet regulations in bc canada are so messed up they change like weekly u cant wear the o'niel but u can wear the stx version. if u put stickers on your helmet its considered modified and its actually not legal unless its a decal like a memorial.

[Rock]

http://www.mountainedgelax.com/images/product_masksr1_lrg.gif

This is the mask I am using. Very nice because I can see everything and is easy to knock off for fights, BUT, the ball can go up the mask from a wild shot and crank you in the knoggen. Not fun.

[SF_13]

yea thats the stx verson of a an o'niel

[calhi34]

Does anybody just use normal lax helmets? im going to play some box this summer but i was just planning on using my normal helmet.

[Hooligan]

You can use your regular lax helmets. In fact, the New York Saints did for at least a couple seasons in the NLL/MILL. As long as your coach and league have no problems with them, you can use field helmets in box.

[CHSlax]

Can you wear normal field lacrosse helmets in box?

[NLLStormCA]

alot of pple used to in the NLL, the power did, its legal i think still...i will look in my rule box....

[Rock]

Last season all the players in the NLL wore the gait helmets but then switched back to the box o'neil.

Anyone know why?

[NLLStormCA]

not really, alot of east teams always wear the hockey style helmets, look at anyone on the bandits, wings, K'hawks, never really used gait, and why would you buy new helmets when you have ones that are legal...to buy the team all new gaits is a lil steep i think even if its a pro team, since the owners in some markets dont make alot

[Rock]

Well the r'necks all had gaits last season and switched this season. Maybe because they had the cash to blow since they won the cham's last season.

[RockStar]

....Then I'll maybe put the sucker on a Cooper SK-600 or SK-2000 for a real vintage feel. ...!

Found the cage and the SK2000!

Pics:
http://ca.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/mcelliott2/detail?.dir=/21ab&.dnm=bcc0.jpg&.src=ph

http://ca.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/mcelliott2/detail?.dir=/21ab&.dnm=9822.jpg&.src=ph

[tomahawks11]

i have a bauer 4000 with the same cage as Rock has except its a senior

[MBLacrosse]

Can you wear normal field lacrosse helmets in box?

Yes you can but at least in canada the visor can't stick out more than 1/2 an inch i believe. so like cpros are good to use if u want. they hurt if u get hit in the head tho

[RockStar]

i have a bauer 4000 with the same cage as Rock has except its a senior

????

Mine's a senior size too.....well, it fits my big head anyway!

{don't curse on TLF},

Edit to add:

sorry, mod, I guess using that frogging A word was pretty fricking rude of me. I won't let it happen again.

[MonctonMohawk]

hey...right now im playing a TON of box down in NEW BRUNSWICK, canada....i did have a bauer 9000 with just a normal cage and that worked fine if the bars on the inside are white....but i just ordered a new Brine triad Xp from Proboss lacrosse....and i guess its supposed to be alright...theres a few players that have cascade cpro and like 1 CPX...i payed about 230 for it with shipping because the store is in missisauga or something...anyways i tried my friends on and messed around.....ALOT BETTER THAN HOCKEY HELMETS!!!!!!!!

[MBLacrosse]

sorry to say but i think the best helmet u can use for box is just a hockey helmet and a lax cage (spider or stx/3bar). All teh guys i kno stopped using their lax helmets and went back to the hockey becasue it hurts alot more getting highsticked with a lax helmet on rather than a hockeyone. even last year for field nationals we all got cpros and i hated it. They looked nice but they were a pain getting on and off and when u got hit in the head it felt like ur ears were gonna explode.

so stick to hockey helmet with a lax cage.

[RedBird1]

The box Gait helmets are the best. They're very similar to the hockey style. They come off easy, but are also harder to get off when fighting which could be a bonus for some players.

http://americasathletic.com/Merchant2/graphics/Gait/images/Toronto%2034.jpghttp://www.gaithelmets.com/media/images/toronto_side.gif

Hockey helmets with STX masks like this are cheapest and are just as good. However I've heard that the CLA is "eventually" going to make hockey helmets illegal. As they are already plan to make hockey gloves illegal. You can't use lacrosse gloves or helmets in hockey, so why should you be able to do so in lacrosse. Especially when there's so much lax equipment available now.

http://www.mountainedgelax.com/images/product_masksr1_lrg.gif

[MBLacrosse]

you can use lacrosse gloves in hockey i think. Lots of kids were wearing them last season and refs never said anything about them so either theyre legal or the refs dont kno the difference between the gloves. I have also heard that about the CLA making plans to not allow the hockey helmets anymore. I feel tahts kinda a joke but if they are gonna do it no body is going to stop them.

A guy on my team has a gait helmet and he wore it last year and for the start of this season but he said he doesnt feel like he has the protection that he does in a hockey helmet. I agree about the way it stays on because hes been the best player on our team for the past 2 seasons and guys try to go after him and they had never gotten it off him when he wore it.

[RockStar]

^^The Gait Box helmet IS JUST A RE-BRANDED ITECH HOCKEY HELMET. It has a four point strap and a laX facecage, but the bucket is all Itech.

Don't like Itech? Go with CCM or Bauer.

[MBLacrosse]

I wear a bauer. The guy on my team with the gait helmet said he didnt like the padding inside the helmet and thats what made it hurt when he got hit up there. I cant say if theyre good or not from my own experiance becasue i have not used one.

[LL71]

the paddin is kinda stiff it takes a while to get used to but they are alright i have one for field and i used it for 2 season for box no complaints as far as protection but i am getting a warrior viking soon the padding is better inside and they look so sweet

[Paul_Gait_RULZ]

if anyone is hunting for an STX/NAMI 3 bar cage that is legal I got a BN sr. one used for 3 jr games before I went back to my cascade...I dunno why but I just look better wearing a cascade and it is just so comfy to me....

but yeah, if you need a cage, shoot an offer I got all the part and everything!~

[tomahawks11]

Can you still buy those Cooper cages in PA?

I'll gladly pay you to pick me up a new one, just let me know how much you need.

I've been trying to get a more vintage look to my gear. I actually had a chance to buy a really cool 1970's style T-bar cage, but the GF would cut off my balls if I ever actually took the floor using that one! (Think like a single bar football mask, like a handful of punters/placekickers wear, and then add a single vertical bar the same thickness.....might as well not wear a facemask!)

So, I've been searching high and low at second hand stores for one of those Coopers. Looking to beat the crap out of it to give it that chipped paint Marachek/Soudan kind of look.

Then I'll maybe put the sucker on a Cooper SK-600 or SK-2000 for a real vintage feel. Or, maybe I'll get real lucky and find one of those paper-thin Wayne Gretzky style Jofa buckets to put it on!


if you still want one of those cages, a cage that looks very simaler to it would be the calcoat cage. theyre pretty cheap and reliable my friend has had one for 6 years and he still likes it.

[Paul_Gait_RULZ]

Rockstar took my old school marechek cage, it became useless to me, I figured If I spend 200 on a cascade why not freggin wear it>?

anyways, PM me if anyone needs a new NAMI/STX NLL style cage with a 2 point chin that came with it, I'd let it go fairly cheap or even trade for something

[RockStar]

if you still want one of those cages, a cage that looks very simaler to it would be the calcoat cage. theyre pretty cheap and reliable my friend has had one for 6 years and he still likes it.

A new Calcoat is not exactly the same and looks too nice and shiny.

I wanted rusty and dented 1980's vintage! Got it thanks to PGR. Luckily I found an old-school Coop SK2000 to mount it on.

The things a beaut, see the pics earlier in this thread.

[laxgoalieking]

does antone know if goalies can waer the stx/nami cage on a plain players hockey helmet(buaer 5000)?i know matt vinc of st.kitts used to when they won the minto.

[Hooligan]

As far as I know, you are not supposed to. But, as long as no one says anything, its legal.

If I were you, I would go with as much protection as I could possibly get. If Matt Vinc wants to go with something non-traditional, then thats his business.

[tomahawks11]

i agree with hooligan. that would definetly be unsafe caz the ball can go right up the chin. i would go with a hockey goalies mask if it were me....

[laxgoalieking]

the way matt had his he put on the chin strad and then another chin strap along the cage and had a plastic neck gauard attached to the bottob bar,and he he put tape arond the bars that make the gap so the ball wouldne get through.And i have a hockey helmet i find that its to hard to hard to see the ball clearly through all the squares.And come to think of it the back-up for orangeville has an stx/nami one but its got the round bottom,i might gor for that.

[regulate34]

right now im rockin teh gait box but soon il be using a 5000 and a box cage i duno what they are called tho......
you mean the marty o'neil?

[regulate34]

http://www.mountainedgelax.com/images/product_masksr1_lrg.gif

This is the mask I am using. Very nice because I can see everything and is easy to knock off for fights, BUT, the ball can go up the mask from a wild shot and crank you in the knoggen. Not fun.

yea thats wat i used
now i hot the gait haelit and it rocks
so light and the visibalty is great

[Boxla]

Theres no point in comparing the NLL rulebook to the CLA (NLLstormca). And as for field helmets in Box, your allowed to use C2's Cpros CPX's. The rule is generally as long as the beak doesnt protrude much past the mask its legal.

[laxgoalieking]

as long as the helmet is less then 1.5 inches off the face its legal

[RockStar]

as long as the helmet is less then 1.5 inches off the face its legal

For field helmets, the rule for the peak is written such that the peak can't stick out more than 1/2" past the facemask.

Every field helmet I can think of is legal.

[MBLacrosse]

For field helmets, the rule for the peak is written such that the peak can't stick out more than 1/2" past the facemask.

Every field helmet I can think of is legal.

i cant remember for sure but i think the crappier cascade, CLH2 i believe, sticks out more than 1/2". i think thats the only one.

[Split]

Im form mass, and im new and i'v was wondering if you cna use a field lax hemet in indoor in cannda? I think Im going there to a tryout. I do have a hockey hemet do you just take off the hockey facemask and then order a indoor facemask and just attach it?

[Stonewall35]

Im form mass, and im new and i'v was wondering if you cna use a field lax hemet in indoor in cannda? I think Im going there to a tryout. I do have a hockey hemet do you just take off the hockey facemask and then order a indoor facemask and just attach it?

As long as the helmet and cage meet or exceed the CSA/NOCSAE standards, you are fine.

FYI, I use a field helmet myself here in Canada (Stryke Pro Z).

[#15Roadies]

The visor on a field helmet was basically put on to shield the eyes from the sun outdoors. In box, the ball is constantly bouncing over kids heads and I have noticed that the ones wearing field buckets are at a disadvantage when it comes to those kinds of loosies.

So... has anyone made a comparison as to field of vision with regard to field helmets & box helmets and what did they notice?

[KnightsLAXDad]

Im form mass, and im new and i'v was wondering if you cna use a field lax hemet in indoor in cannda? I think Im going there to a tryout. I do have a hockey hemet do you just take off the hockey facemask and then order a indoor facemask and just attach it?


A good number of kids in our clubs use Cascades (mostly CLH2's). Team Ontario wore Vikings for the nationals. Most kids still wear a regular hockey helmet and cage.

[Split]

I can see what you mean, it looks like you do have more vision with a box helmet. I havent used a box helmet before. i think when i do got to canada i will just order one of those boz face masks and attach it to my helmet. Do alot of people do that?

[#15Roadies]

Split - you can order or buy a lacrosse face mask to add to a hockey helmet, but I wouldn't add one to an existing lacrosse helment (dealt with elsewhere).

Box cages attach like any hockey cage with the little brackets and screws, but sometimes there are fiddly because the holes don't line up. Do not drill extra holes! I know of one kid that had a nasty accident (head meets concrete) in part because of customizing a hockey lid.

STX Sr Cage (http://www.probosslacrosse.com/equipmentclose/stx2020mask.htm) is meant for larger kids, 13 and up. By larger I mean for large sized helmets.

STX Junior (http://www.probosslacrosse.com/equipmentclose/stx2020maskjunior.htm) is meant for anyone younger or smaller than below. The chin on this one curves inward and you can attach the chincup to it.

Some more examples of the NAMI/STX cages (http://www.bclacrosse.com/general/data/Helmet%20Clarification.pdf) Scroll down.

The Oneil Cage (http://www.probosslacrosse.com/oneillmask.htm) is meant for adults only. There is a chance a ball can squeeze through, so you have to be careful. But the vision from these cages is excellent.

The Calcoat Cage (http://www.ontariolacrosse.com/documents/content_102.pdf) The cage this kid is wearing is the Calcoat cage, which is pretty good. It is certified in Canada, curves under like the junior cage.

[KnightsLAXDad]

Careful of the STX Junior. I bought one for my son (8-1/2) and it is nowhere close to fitting him, he's averaged sized. Sizing is all relative. Chances are that the junior cage would fit a older than 13yr olds as well.

Edit: sorry I should have mentioned that it is way too big for him. I even tried double chin cups and it still didn't come close to his chin!

[Split]

Okay guys thanks for the input.. If i do go to this tryout I think teh esiest thing might be to buy a cage and try to attach it. Thanks agian

[tomahawks11]

Okay guys thanks for the input.. If i do go to this tryout I think teh esiest thing might be to buy a cage and try to attach it. Thanks agian


what tryout are you going to??

[Split]

Well lets hope I get teh tryout, Im sending tape in to this guy who is gunan look at it then is going to give me a tryout i dunno for who.

[yesdog]

How come on the pictures #15Rooadies put up under "some more examples of the Nami/STX cages" the facemask on the red helmet has bars the curve differently than the ones on the black helmet? Are they the same helmet?

[#15Roadies]

The black helmet kinda looks like an ONeil, but it could just be the angle of the picture. But there is a difference between the NAMI/STX & ONeil cages - the latter not being approved for minor lacrosse in Canada.

[KnightsLAXDad]

Not the same helmet and different cages. The straight bars are the Nami/STX cage (or O'Neill?) and the curved bars are the Calcoat. The helmet that they are mounted to doesn't really matter as long as it is an approved hockey helmet.

[regulate34]

yea right now i got the gait box and i love it lots of protection a lil hevey comaired to the hockey helmits but all around nice
i still geo my old helmit wich was a ccm somthing with a 20/20 stx mask
the modified o'neal
i like the visibalty on the hockey helmit but no protection

i hate how hard it is to get the gait of in fights make you looks like a DON'T CURSE that wants to keep his helmet on

[RockStar]

yea right now i got the gait box and i love it lots of protection a lil hevey comaired to the hockey helmits but all around nice
i still geo my old helmit wich was a ccm somthing with a 20/20 stx mask
the modified o'neal
i like the visibalty on the hockey helmit but no protection

i hate how hard it is to get the gait of in fights make you looks like a DON'T CURSE that wants to keep his helmet on

Dude:

The Gait box helmet is just a re-branded middle-of-the-road Itech hockey helmet. They justify the price by adding with a lax facemask and a four-point strap.

The Gait field helmet is the same thing with a goofy peak attached.

Protection is really no better than a middle-of-the-road Bauer or CCM helmet.

[Canadian Lax]

most kids that play box that ive seen just use a hockey helmet with a hockey cage.....seen one kid w/ a real box helmet....and only a few w/ box cages on hockey helmets

[#15Roadies]

"...hockey helmet with a hockey cage..." The problem being one of field of vision. Much easier to see the ball and the bouncing ball with a lax cage. Hockey cages maybe OK for house league box, but I would recommend a lax cage or lax helmet for any kid playing competitive rep lacrosse.

[wingslax5]

http://hockey.lax.com/item.phtml?page=product_2624_front.phtml

This looks like the helmet used in gaits box helmet. So add another $50 for a cage and the price for a gait box compared to a hockey helmet box doesnt seem that much cheaper to me.

[Hooligan]

It doesn't need to be an I-tech. But I see your point Wingslax5.

[wingslax5]

It doesn't need to be an I-tech. But I see your point Wingslax5.

Of course, but I just used the itech as an example since it appears to be the one they use for the box helmet. It could end up costing more than a gait depending on what helmet you get. But I guess it doesnt matter as long as you get what you like.

[RockStar]

Of course, but I just used the itech as an example since it appears to be the one they use for the box helmet. It could end up costing more than a gait depending on what helmet you get. But I guess it doesnt matter as long as you get what you like.

They retail Gait helmets for like $169 in Canada. I can't imagine why anyone would buy one at that price, and I'm right, because only a few do buy them.

Even where the cost is comparable, it's still a fairly easy decidion to make. Trust me, the O'Neill or Nami screens are far preferable to the Gait one.

[WHEELAX2]

ok... thinking about getting this bucket in white.. what yall think//??

http://www.oceanhockey.com/IBS/SimpleCat/Product/asp/hierarchy/0J/product-id/649419.html

[#15Roadies]

Bauer + Oneill = boxla! (except black is cooler...)

[Hackstall]

ok... thinking about getting this bucket in white.. what yall think//??

http://www.oceanhockey.com/IBS/SimpleCat/Product/asp/hierarchy/0J/product-id/649419.html

That's the Bauer 5000 "concussion proof" helmet. It was designed for Eric Lindros who keeps getting his melon banged around. Basically it is supposed to work like a bicycle helmet in that it is that hard type of foam inside that is supposed to crack and break if you get hit in the head hard...it is supposed to absorb the impact. It is a good helmet but my concern would be that since in lacrosse you are always getting hit in the head by sticks and stuff it might cause the inside foam to crack. Personally, I use a Bauer 4000 which is basically the same helmet but with regular high density foam and it works great. It's also a little cheaper. The only real difference besides the shape is that the 5000 is quick adjustable whereas you need a screwdriver to adjust the 4000. But, if the 5000 appeals to you, buy it...its a good helmet.

http://av.warehousesports.com/iw/ProductImages/BH4000.JPG

[tomahawks11]

i use a bauer 4000 with the cage all those guys in the nll use

[WHEELAX2]

Bauer + Oneill = boxla! (except black is cooler...)


ugh, so now I have to fit in??? Damn!!! so white would make me look like a flamer?? what about red, yellow, or silver??

[KnightsLAXDad]

ugh, so now I have to fit in??? Damn!!! so white would make me look like a flamer?? what about red, yellow, or silver??


Naaaw, you'd look

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v107/TheJournalist/Picons/fabulous.jpg

[Stynchface]

I remember my first year in Junior, we didn't have to wear masks... that wasn't too long ago!

[NLLStormCA]

I just wonder what the RBK helmet is going to look like...(for the NLL)

[slinkyspine]

I just wonder what the RBK helmet is going to look like...(for the NLL)
Simlilar to the 8k hockey version but with a RBk oniel copy I bets

[Hackstall]

They retail Gait helmets for like $169 in Canada. I can't imagine why anyone would buy one at that price, and I'm right, because only a few do buy them.

Yeah you alluded to the price comparison and it really isn't that much cheaper to use a helmet and mask. If you buy a Bauer 4000 that is going to set you back $80 and a Nami cage with chin cup is $70. I have never used a lacrosse helmet so I have no idea if the extra $20 is worth it. Being primarily a hockey player I am very used to the hockey helmet and I also use a full cage playing hockey so once I swap on my NAMI cage for lacrosse season I can see even that much better. I have no idea why anyone would complain of not being able to see with it...of course it is all relative.

[slinkyspine]

If I was you guys I wouldn't get a 4000 definetly go 5000 or 8000 bauer helmets or the RBK 8k they are like a bike helmet BUT it has this gel stuff for better comfort they're more adjustable and more protective. High density foam isn't the best stuff.

[titans 43]

I hate that stuff in the 5000, I much perfer the 4000, much more comfotable imo, I own both and the 5k is better protextion, but 4k is more comfy.

[Canadian Lax]

what do u guy think about the Nike Quest Helmet??...how do u think it would hold out w/ a lax cage???

http://www.totalhockey.net/tab3.asp?call=1&item=1772

[Hackstall]

I think Mario Lemieux wears one of those...pretty bad looking if you ask me.

[Canadian Lax]

I think Mario Lemieux wears one of those...pretty bad looking if you ask me.

true but it gives alot of protection....and have really nice padding inside, you can inflate or defalte the back padding of the helmet. And it doesnt look to bad if its in red. Plus i dunno how it would looks w/ a box cage

[MBLacrosse]

what do u guy think about the Nike Quest Helmet??...how do u think it would hold out w/ a lax cage???

http://www.totalhockey.net/tab3.asp?call=1&item=1772
Yea its an ugly helmet but i tried one on once and it felt like it fit really good and yes i have seen it with a stx/nami cage on and it was one of the worst looking things ive ever seen. (this is only an opinion)

[bballplayer15]

mario lemieux used to use that, he uses a CCM 1052 now

[Boxla]

what do u guy think about the Nike Quest Helmet??...how do u think it would hold out w/ a lax cage???

http://www.totalhockey.net/tab3.asp?call=1&item=1772
We had those for our team (as team helmets fitted with nami cages). Some players said they were comfortable and others said they gave them headaches. Other guys just plain thought they were ugly. We converted back to the bauer 4000's. And let me reiderate the UGLY part.

[laxismynak]

i use a bauer 4000 with the cage all those guys in the nll use

an oneal cage.

and i just got 3 weeks ago a bauer 8000 with oneal cage

[laxismynak]

i got a ccm something with a mask kinda like the marty O'neel but it is leagle

ya the cage is an stx onami

[tomahawks11]

i think the kid got his answer to his question by now

[laxpimp]

Nami/ Itech forver!!

[MIMICO_MOUNTAIN]

hey i was wondering if anyone is selling a box lacrosse face mask

my email is c_burgess00@hotmail.com if you have one your willing to sell

[Brandon303]

what do u guy think about the Nike Quest Helmet??...how do u think it would hold out w/ a lax cage???

http://www.totalhockey.net/tab3.asp?call=1&item=1772
I have a Nami 20/20 cage on my Nike Quest and it fits fine. I hate the look of the Quest (even though I own one) personally.

[maxim666]

im rockin' a red bauer 5000 with the stx version of the marty o'

[cookiec16]

hey guys...i just got one of the 3 bar masks for the 1st time...im just wondering how easy these helmets fly off now...ive always used my hockey helmet or when i played goalie my goalie helmet...

[MBLacrosse]

If ur going to play net, dont wear your new cage, just incase u take one up in the chin. Anyways with the new cage you bought, the helmet does come off easier than if you were wearing a hockey cage. Just tighten up you lid and keep you chiin strap snug and you should be fine. Ive had mine for 3 years and its only fallen off once, from a brutal crosscheck which i pounded the guy for right after he hit me.

[canadianlax13]

Can you wear normal field lacrosse helmets in box?

I have a Brine Traid XP3 field helmet for box and field

[canadianlax13]

I've got a Brine Traid XP3 for box and field

[RichWutLax]

i use a cpro for box goalie , iots amazing i barely feel the shot when i get a shot to the head .... this may only be in bc but ive heard that sometime soon , probably next season we wont be able to wear hockey helmets with the 20/20 cages or oneils , we either have to wear hockey helmets with hockey cages , or lacrosse helmets , like so cascades, gait, etc...

[RockStar]

i use a cpro for box goalie , iots amazing i barely feel the shot when i get a shot to the head .... this may only be in bc but ive heard that sometime soon , probably next season we wont be able to wear hockey helmets with the 20/20 cages or oneils , we either have to wear hockey helmets with hockey cages , or lacrosse helmets , like so cascades, gait, etc...

I've heard this rumour somewhere else, and have to say that if they allow a Gait combo, but make it illegal to play with a 20/20 on a Nike/Bauer or RBK/CCM, etc, they're just being farking stupid.

CLA, GET YOUR HEADS OUT OF YOUR ARSES!

[slinkyspine]

Bauer 8000 Nami 20/20

Rbk 8k O'neil

[RichWutLax]

I've heard this rumour somewhere else, and have to say that if they allow a Gait combo, but make it illegal to play with a 20/20 on a Nike/Bauer or RBK/CCM, etc, they're just being farking stupid.

CLA, GET YOUR HEADS OUT OF YOUR ARSES!


EXACTLY , i dont understand why they would change the rules , i mean its like there saying either go spend $200 or more on a new lax helmet or go buy a hockey cage which cuts off your vision a little bit ...

[Mr.Pockets19]

i have a bauer 4000 with the same cage as Rock has except its a senior
The Rock have senior cages too, a pro team wouldn't use junior cages

[laxgoalieking]

The Rock have senior cages too, a pro team wouldn't use junior cages
the rock use o'neils, if tommahawkls uses a o'neil then he is using an illegal cage.

[canadians_eh]

I'm using the Cascade CPX black with silver visor and chin.

[bhslax12]

i have a cooper sk 600 i think...ill get pics up. my cousins old hockey helmet. i dont use it for anything(lawlz)

[Mr.Pockets19]

Man, that ehlmet is oldschool, i've got a kid on my house league team that uses one of those, and to see better out of the cage, he cut a piece out of the two middle bars

[bhslax12]

if any of you crrrraaaazyy box players want it....

edit: that was not meant to sound like an insult. i play box in the summer to build my stick skills for field. if it sounded like a diss or something...which i dont think it did....rabble rabble rabble

[thebrettness]

I'm just sporting a hockey helmet with a lacrosse mask on it, not really sure which kind of mask it is though. I'm think of getting a CPX, mainly for field which I just started, But I probably would end up using it in box too.

[Canada_Lax]

i have the stx senior 20/20, but its illegal.

im trying to get a marty oneil but i want to make sure its legal.

Is it???

[laxgoalieking]

i have the stx senior 20/20, but its illegal.

im trying to get a marty oneil but i want to make sure its legal.

Is it???
y is ur nami 20/20 illigal? the o'neal is illegal for minor

[MBLacrosse]

y is ur nami 20/20 illigal? the o'neal is illegal for minor
actually all the o'neals are once again illegal because they didnt pay the CLA for the safety stuff or soemthing. I dont kno it says it here tho. http://www.manitobalacrosse.mb.ca/calendar/documents/MartyONeil.pdf

[livinglegend]

how are the o`neals illegal. every one in alberta major junior wears one. and all this talk of wearing a triad or a gait in box i hate to say it but it must be minor lacrosse, you would get beaked so hard on the floor if you wore one of those

[laxgoalieking]

its funny because hes hooligan and your...uhhh...NOT!

y is ur nami 20/20 illigal? the o'neal is illegal for minor
reading is a very important skill in life.

[slinkyspine]

LivingLegend. You go to the corner for a timeout no cookies today either!



The O neil is illegal for anything under junior.

Nami's are legal.


By the way bypassing the swear filter is so 1337.

[Canada_Lax]

there is no difference between the marty oneil and the nami except for the eye holes.... wtf am i gunna do now... i gotta buy a neww cage and they are expensive

[laxgoalieking]

there is no difference between the marty oneil and the nami except for the eye holes.... wtf am i gunna do now... i gotta buy a neww cage and they are expensive
yeah and that difference can mean u keep your vision or you dont. the ball and go right through the eye hole on an o'neal, any way for 50 bucks id rather get a new cage then a glass eye.

[slinkyspine]

there is no difference between the marty oneil and the nami except for the eye holes.... wtf am i gunna do now... i gotta buy a neww cage and they are expensive
Umm after reading I feel stupid. Why not bend the eye holes in and make is safer.

[Pitibear]

how do you like the 8000?

I honestly do not see any real improvement, especially in comfort, over the 5000, which I swear by...presently, anyway...I don't have a problem with the hockey mask that comes with it, either...is that a factor that causes most guys to go with a lax-specific cage?

Is the HECC approved mask not okay for lax?

sorry if this is one rule area I'm ignorant on, appreciate the info and opinion...

[slinkyspine]

For Boxla HECC for USA box and CSA for Canuck box.

It is wayyyy more adjustable then the 5000 and that makes it signifigantly more comfortable.



There is adjustable length in the 5000

The 8000 has length adjustments, side adj. and the part that goes over your brainstem adjusts to your head. Very comfortable, and concussion proof. Well as close as possible.

[Canada_Lax]

where can i buy a new cage in ontario???

[laxgoalieking]

where can i buy a new cage in ontario???
www.probosslacrosse.com

if u had read the first 2 pages that link is on their like 17 times.....

[Canada_Lax]

http://www.probosslacrosse.com/oneillmask.htm

it says CLA and OLA approved, and reccomended for junior and up... so that means we can play with it still right??? if it just says recommended.

[laxgoalieking]

http://www.probosslacrosse.com/oneillmask.htm

it says CLA and OLA approved, and reccomended for junior and up... so that means we can play with it still right??? if it just says recommended.
no you cannot use the o'neal mask in minor
or
THE O'NEAL IS ILLEGAL FOR MINOR LACROSSE IN CANADA!

[Canada_Lax]

i am emailing the CLA and the OLA to give me reasons on why its illegal. the best answeer i got so far is, "because its recommended for major and junior players"

what kind of response is that???

i will update you guys on who is responding, and what is going on.

[slinkyspine]

Canada_lax do you play Junior or something lower?


If your in Junior, Inter, Senior, NLL than knock yourself out.

Anything else no way son.

[laxgoalieking]

Canada_lax do you play Junior or something lower?


If your in Junior, Inter, Senior, NLL than knock yourself out.

Anything else no way son.
almost but intermeidiate is considered minor therefore its still illegal.

and i gave him the answer the eye hole on the o'neal is too large.

canada_lax stop being stubborn they will tell u the same thing, thbat is if they even respond

[ridgelax]

blue itech with a marty o'neill is the way to go, no chin strap makes easier it scrap with

[slinkyspine]

LGK, Junior is minor too. Once your out of midget they are legal. Same with hockey, past midget you can wear a visor.

[laxgoalieking]

LGK, Junior is minor too. Once your out of midget they are legal. Same with hockey, past midget you can wear a visor.
slinky, minor you play for an assocsiation in junior you play for a club. intermediat and junior have different rules.

but every where has different rules, where i stand is that intermediate is still considered minore therefore the o'neil would be illegal.

[slinkyspine]

I guess so. But the club is usually funded by the association and bear the same name.

[laxgoalieking]

I guess so. But the club is usually funded by the association and bear the same name.
in some instances yes but in others no. clarington minor was started after the gaels were moved here. but i beleive whitby has always had both. but some places dont recognize a minor affiliete.

[slinkyspine]

True, I think I'm speaking from expirence around here. The Fort Sask Junior team is part of the assosciation as are many round hurr.

[RockStar]

True, I think I'm speaking from expirence around here. The Fort Sask Junior team is part of the assosciation as are many round hurr.

In Ontario, Minor is separate from Junior. Junior A and B leagues are independent, but seem to run by the same rules.

[Canada_Lax]

i was emailed back by the CLA president and he told me that everyone with an oneill cage can use it for this year, but next year it will become illegal unless marty oneill gives them the liability crap they want.

[coqlax]

Last season all the players in the NLL wore the gait helmets but then switched back to the box o'neil.

Anyone know why?
cause theyre ugly as hell :chuckle:

i use a bauer 5000 with an stx

[atak]

First things first - as to the O'Neill cage - what the folks at Proboss told me is that they are illegal in Ontario for minor lacrosse this year because O'Neill hasn't paid some sort of insurance that he's expected to. This is apparently going to be rectified for next year.

Second, I bought an Adams chin cup to fit onto a Bauer 8000 hockey helmet for my son.. I was at a Junior A game last night, and all the guys remove the hockey chin cup and run the Adams chin cup through the existing chin strap. Apparently this is legal, as long as the original chin strap is used. What I can't figure out is this:

What do they do to keep the cage secured back against the helmet?! It didn't appear that they had looped the chin strap through the cage, and it isn't really long enough to do this anyway. If anyone can help, it would be much appreciated! Have the STX 20/20 Junior cage btw.

Thanks!

[sidewinder19]

http://www.mountainedgelax.com/images/product_masksr1_lrg.gif


thats what i got too.

[thebrettness]

What do they do to keep the cage secured back against the helmet?! It didn't appear that they had looped the chin strap through the cage, and it isn't really long enough to do this anyway. If anyone can help, it would be much appreciated! Have the STX 20/20 Junior cage btw.

Thanks!

There as hinges(?) that connect where a hockey helmet usually flips up, it's secured there. Abd I use a 20/20 Junior cage and I hate it, but I'm probably getting a field helmet (Triumph,CPX or Identity) for next year.

[RockStar]

..............
What do they do to keep the cage secured back against the helmet?! It didn't appear that they had looped the chin strap through the cage, and it isn't really long enough to do this anyway. ........
You actually don't need to strap O'Neill cages to the helmet with the chin strap (see almost every NLL player's rig). You use a football style chin cup, separate from the mask, to protect the chin. Adams is the most common, others can be made to work as well. In a pinch, you could use the piece of foam that comes with a hockey facemask.

O'Neill supplies four mounting clips with their cages. You clip these around the wire and then screw them to the helmet. Two will go into the holes right above the forehead. The other two will be screwed into holes by the ears.

If you've lost some of your helmet hardware, you can get more screws in a helmet repair kit (~$7). Crappy Tire, and most hockey/sports stores sell this stuff.

[bradlax2]

inter lax in canada......O'neal legal or Illeagal

[Lax4_Life604]

can you wear a box helmet in field?

[LacrosseDan]

can you wear a box helmet in field?

In Canada, yes. As long as the mask you wear is legal for your age group. (i.e. if your U-16 and under no OTNYs or O'niels) Although most reffs I've ran into don't really care that much.

If your in the states then I don't believe they are legal.

[RedmondLonghorn]

We can in my men's league, but it is highly unusual in the US. But we play by International rules because we have a team from Victoria in the league.

For American HS or college play, all lacrosse helmets must be NOCSAE approved for lacrosse and must bear the NOCSAE approved stamp. Hockey helmets aren't and don't.

I have thought for a while that if somebody like Reebok, Bauer or CCM could come up with a hockey style helmet that could get NOCSAE approval for lacrosse they would immediately become pretty popular. At least as long as they had a fairly streamlined look and were comfortable.

[LacrosseDan]

We can in my men's league, but it is highly unusual in the US. But we play by International rules because we have a team from Victoria in the league.

For American HS or college play, all lacrosse helmets must be NOCSAE approved for lacrosse and must bear the NOCSAE approved stamp. Hockey helmets aren't and don't.

I have thought for a while that if somebody like Reebok, Bauer or CCM could come up with a hockey style helmet that could get NOCSAE approval for lacrosse they would immediately become pretty popular. At least as long as they had a fairly streamlined look and were comfortable.

or mabye like a one piece box helmet, like what Gait had a couple years back. But better.

[RockStar]

.....
I have thought for a while that if somebody like Reebok, Bauer or CCM could come up with a hockey style helmet that could get NOCSAE approval for lacrosse they would immediately become pretty popular......

One good wish.

Here's an alternate - I wish Cascade, Warrior, or one of the others would just re-do the field buckets a bit.

-Give us a facemask that's closer to the O'Neill pro,
-Give us a bucket where the peak can be removed easily and without compromising safety (peak not needed on cloudy days or indoors, nice to get some of the peripheral vision back).

[RedmondLonghorn]

One good wish.

Here's an alternate - I wish Cascade, Warrior, or one of the others would just re-do the field buckets a bit.


They are already soooo much better than they used to be. I used to have to wear one of those god awful Sport helmets. Compared to that, all of the new helmets are comfortable and stylish. Still, I hear you.