Wisconsin-no haters

[Eclipse]

I dont care who wants to talk ****. but lets get some wisconsin talk on here, who are you, who do you play for...who do you think is the best in the area etc etc. im 22 for middleton, attack. Hoping its a good season. Lets just keep this wisconsin, if you have never played us, dont talk.

[isuckatlax]

haha lots of wisconsin players here

[HooRahWisc]

I honestly think the only Wisconsin people here are you, me, and USM. I haven't seen any other players here from Wisconsin in a long long time. Hopefully that will change though.

I am #4 on Waunakee and I'm a Middie. I think this season is gonna be so-so, at least in MALA, because I heard some teams are seriously dying off. Stoughton had to join up with Oregon, and I heard Memorial is simply horrible this year (I may be wrong on that, just going off my sources). Verona is gonna be top dog again this year I believe.

This season is gonna be awesome because it's our first year traveling to other states (Rocks on the Fox in Illinois) and we're playing Clayton, Missouri and West Chicago this weekend.

[lacrosse19]

honestly I cant wait to come back home and check out the teams playing. I know that wisconsin is lightyears behind a lot of other areas that have lacrosse. I can only say that we have a lot of deticated players who love the sport, work hard at it. I just can use Middleton and Waunakee as an example. We had our first year coming off the mid-west-edge and we just sucked, then coming back as our own middleton team and won state. I know that the waunakee team just played amazing vs the game against middleton. It was hard to play against kids who wanted a win more then you did. I really look a lesson from that game. I know that WI has heart!

[Eclipse]

hell yea we do, anyway verona is good...but they can be beaten i know for a fact....although it would take alot. Good luck at Rocks on the Focks....Clayton sucks...i used to live in MO you should be able to take them.

[bplaxer07]

hey, finally found a place with wisconsin people talkin. I'm number 2 on Bay Port, we're pretty young this year so it might be more tough but we're confident in the guys we've got. I think it's great that we are finally starting to show up online and around the US. I personally cannot comment on which confrence is best since we only play one or two teams a season from out of confrence.

[Eclipse]

you should play us, middleton, madison conference is the best in the state...weve been around the longest and i think over the last 3 times we have played milwaukee teams its been a combined score of 63-3.....but they def have some good players. Lemme know maybe we can get a scrimmage sometime.

[Lancerlax28]

hey i play for LaFollette if u cant tell by my ID. Well i hope we can be good this year only returning one Varsity player but we look good so far. I guess ill see after we play Middleton and Verona (no offense to the other teams but they are usally the best teams we play)

[USMlax]

I play attack and wear number 2 for the University School of Milwaukee team. I've played in Madison plenty and can attest to the talent of both Verona and Middleton players. Personally, I think my team is tops in Milwaukee, even though we lost to Marquette before state (our team got the flu and games were during exams) last season, yet we really can't compete with Middleton or Verona. Any of you guys interested in a Team Wisconsin that would play at Champ Camp or other recruiting camps this summer? PM me if your interested.

[HooRahWisc]

USM I have been hearing rumors that there could be some sort of state team that has players that coaches vote on or something and it would play in the summer. I am not sure if that is for real or not, just heard some talk about it.

Also, USM, how has growth been in Milwaukee? I used to live in New Berlin and they don't have a team I think, but I would love to see lax expand to more of the western milwaukee suburbs.

[jb19]

yay team, go team

[Eclipse]

yeah we actually have 2 players from middleton on scholarship right now so. There are about 3-4 guys from verona getting looked at for scholarships as well. I heard rumors that Tom Farley (thats right all you haters chris farleys brother is the president of our league) is trying to work out an all state team and even get the state tourney in Camp Randall....so we could be playing where the UW legends play.....bomb...

[HooRahWisc]

I wish I could play some good college club ball at a school that has USLIA, but UW-Madison doesn't have a freaking USLIA, it's some fake team that has grad students and other players, so they don't do USLIA. I still haven't made up my mind if I want to play with a bunch of drunks.

[USMlax]

Verona and middleton are tops.:worship: Madison areas got the best conference. Milwaukee area, well its in a class by itself.:whyme: I play for Marquette and we're all right. Better than USM for sure. :argue: We've got some good players but not an awesome team by any means. Also, anyone played Sun Prairie?
Look for me 19 on Marquette wearing white and silver pumas. Standing around behind the net "playing" attack.
peace
PS. Any teams have guys playing in college from wisconsin? I know middleton had a big attack last year playing attack that was a stud and I dont know where he's at. My team has one guy playing D3 at Oberlin and others playing club around the country.
PPS. I live in Brookfield right next to New Berlin and no teams around here except some youth indoor stuff in Brookfield. Maybe Arrowhead will start a team soon...

Oberlin is the worst DIII team in the country, no offense. I give credit to MUHS for making such a turnaround from 02-03, yet I think the only thing you guys have is a plethora of players which allows you to run other teams with less depth (aka USM) into the ground. Now that last years keeper is gone, you may have trouble (speculating) if your new starter is the guy who has gone to B-Field Clinics...
I know I sound like an ***, but I'm just too proud of my teams efforts despite our lack of depth. I can't wait to play you guys this year, it'll definatley be the game to watch in the Milwaukee area. Watch for me on attack also, yet I don't think I have any silver Pumas...

[USMlax]

With regards to college lax-
Chris Brophy of USM is playing football and lax for Kenyon College next year (DIII)
I hope to play for Coach Caravanna and the Big Red of Denison University after next season, but it's still a year or so away...

[jb19]

yep game to watch

[blckout20]

I have a lot of respect for Wisconson lax just because I played with 2 kids at camp and I don't remember where they were from or anything and one was on my team and he was a real solid attackman and they were both really cool kids. So while my experience with all of you Wisconson laxers is limited I definately gotta show some love cuz the only players I've played with were real cool and good.

[bplaxer07]

From Bay Port here Jesse Nagan, an attackman, is playing for the Iowa University team and one of our defesemen, Jack Hammersky, is going to be going there.

[Eclipse]

Yo Blckout20 were you at no limit camp...i went to no limit and was from wisconsin...played on the same team as the aussie coach and i was the attackmen if thats who you were talking about

[DwinsChamps]

I must say, Oberlin is pretty bad. Dennison has definitely got an up-and-coming program, though. By the way, that 22 from middleton is trash...all hail Verona's Defense :worship:

haha, you know im kidding J-Ron

[DwinsChamps]

Me and the diamond will be a-waitin...

Ha, are you gonna run the Klopstein play?




Biyiyiyatch!

[Eclipse]

:bull: .....

[USMlax]

yeah we actually have 2 players from middleton on scholarship right now so. There are about 3-4 guys from verona getting looked at for scholarships as well. I heard rumors that Tom Farley (thats right all you haters chris farleys brother is the president of our league) is trying to work out an all state team and even get the state tourney in Camp Randall....so we could be playing where the UW legends play.....bomb...

I hope the two MHS players on scholarship your referring to aren't Jace Rauman and Brad Campbell, because thet were hyped up sooo much and are only playing JuCo lax at Mercyhurst Northeast. I hear Bellarmine (D1) is taking looks at Bice of Verona and that Sollenberger is getting decent time at Whittier (DIII).

[Eclipse]

campbell and jace are playing juco yes...idk what brads gonna do but i know jace has gotten looks from 3 different division 1 schools...i know this because i talk to his coach everyday. Two brad sollenberger was put on the annual top 7 freshman to watch by inside lacrosse magazine so he is having some great success. As far as kevin he is looking at Roanoke i beleive...he was going to go to goucher but changed his mind.

[USMlax]

I was looking at Goucher also, yet the overall school environment is way to liberal for my liking. 70% of the overall population is girls, yet they are all like art and dance majors...not too appealing in my opinion.
What schools are looking at Jace? Much respect for that...

[Eclipse]

We (middleton) play west tommorow...ill let everyone know who it turns out.

[DwinsChamps]

I was looking at Goucher also, yet the overall school environment is way to liberal for my liking. 70% of the overall population is girls, yet they are all like art and dance majors...not too appealing in my opinion.
What schools are looking at Jace? Much respect for that...


Siena was looking at Jace after only his first game at NorthEast. A big part of it has to do with Coach Ernst selling his players to Div 1 schools, and Siena is his alma-mater. From what i understand after a trip out to mercyhurst, Campbell is going to play at Mars Hill (although he's useless and has smoked himself ****less) next season, because Ernst hates him and knows he's a useless mofo.

It turns out Bice has settled on Goucher, which perplexes me considering it's going to finish about 40th nationally and costs 40k a year as opposed to Roanoke, which is poised to finish 2nd nationally and is pretty cheap on the tuition spectrum. Either way, Kev's work ethic will propel him.

I also know that Schnirring plans on playing at Goucher, but after going out there for a trip i know they're stacked at attack, and don't have much room for slow little boys. :chuckle:

[Npaulseth]

I am the coach for the UW - Eau Claire men's lax team. We are in the UMLL, too. Last year we didn't win any games (before I was there, though :P). This year we have beaten some good teams, and are playing in the semi-finals (against St. Johns this coming saturday). We beat Carlton college yesterday (which was our first ever playoff win). We have a pretty solid team this year, with an awesome freshman class. If any of you would ever like to come up and visit the school, we'd love to go out with some interested players.

[DannyG12]

I play lax for Eden Prairie in Minnesota. I recently played against verona, wisconsin in the Chicago Lacrosse shootout. I was just wondering how well this team compares to others in wisconsin?

[Eclipse]

Verona and middleton are the two top teams in wisconsin....im assuming your dan gnazzo and want to congratulate you on an awesome tourney, your one of the sicked goalies ive ever seen. In regards to your question, middleton and verona are pretty much ahead of the competition, were basically even in skill level but verona could be a little better this year...most of the other teams discluding a few like west high school dont really compete.

[Npaulseth]

Ah, your Gnazzo. Rob Graff has been talking about you a lot. Seems like you have a lot of skill. Where are you planning on going to school?

[DwinsChamps]

I play defense for the Verona team that lost to Eden Prarie this last weekend, and i can say that Middleton and Verona are pretty much all that Wisco lax has to offer. You are one hell of a goalie, as i had a shot that i was sure was a goal, and you kicked it away last second...you definitely deserve all-american status.

[Eclipse]

I dont wanna speak for gnazzo...but im pretty sure hes going to air force...least thats what ive been told

[DannyG12]

Thanks guys. yeah we played verona in a close game. i am really impressed with wisconsin lax that is for sure.

I will be playin lacrosse at the Air Force Academy next year.
Good Luck with the rest of everyones seasons!

[Middie08]

Does anyone know how I can start a team in Brookfield?
I have seen lacrosse quite a bit on TV and recently read an article in Sports Illustrated about lacrosse being the fastest growing sport in the U.S. I would really like to play and get a team going, but I have no idea how to go about it. It looks like a lot of the posts here are from guys in Madison, or Middleton (I don't know where that is). How come there are so many teams in Madison and not Milwaukee area, when Milwaukee is more population? Looks like there aren't any teams in Milwaukee area besides Marquette and USM. I'd really like to get start a team at my school. I go to Brookfield East. Any suggestions? Thanks, Paul.

[Eclipse]

well the reason we have so many more teams is because we have been playing longer, the easiest way to start a team is to post some flyers and have a meeting so whos actually interested...then call me up and we will play you guys....

[Marquette#2]

Marquette, midfielder (f/o), #2, Alex Panosian.
In regards to Milwaukee lacrosse yea we are a little bit behind the Madison teams but what would you guys expect we started playing like 3 years after you guys.
In response to Middie08 there are five teams in the Milwaukee Area Lacrosse League (MALL) Marquette, Northshore, Eastside, Kenosha, and USM. I've also heard rumblings about two other teams starting up within a year or two, Pius and Homestead. It'd be great to get a team in brookfield, and I don't understand why it hasn't taken off yet. I know i've worked a lot on helping MUHS establish there team so if you need any help/advice on starting a team out there at b'east send me an e-mail and we'll get in touch, Panosian_alexander@muhs.edu. Also don't know if any of you have heard but I was talking to our athletic director about the recent WIAA meeting they had up in Wausau, and he said they were all talking about how lax is gonna be the next male sport entered in and there waiting on a female sport so it'd be even. There talking about womens lacrosse (not big enough yet) or field hockey.
Thanks.

[Marquette#2]

Also want to make everybody aware of the game friday May 6th between MUHS and Eastside. The game is gonna be at 6:30 under the lights at Shorewood High School. Both teams are 3-0 in the MALL and it should be a good game.

[AStyles17]

I play attack and wear number 2 for the University School of Milwaukee team. I've played in Madison plenty and can attest to the talent of both Verona and Middleton players. Personally, I think my team is tops in Milwaukee, even though we lost to Marquette before state (our team got the flu and games were during exams) last season, yet we really can't compete with Middleton or Verona. Any of you guys interested in a Team Wisconsin that would play at Champ Camp or other recruiting camps this summer? PM me if your interested.

sorry but a wisconsin team at champ camp would get lit up

[LovitLaxit24]

"Oberlin is the worst DIII team in the country" alright lets look at this a bit, yea its true they may be one of worst DIII schools in the country but it is DIII, I mean robert morris might be the worst DI school but they are DI, look at the compatition they have, because they are the worst doesnt mean that they arnt good, there is a diffrence. Hey any one wanna play some summer lax, it would be cool if we could get a couple combined teams from madison and from milwaukee and where ever and just play some fun summer lax, idk if any you other boys find that appealing.

[USMlax]

"yea its true they may be one of worst DIII schools in the country but it is DIII, I mean robert morris might be the worst DI school but they are DI, look at the compatition they have, because they are the worst doesnt mean that they arnt good, there is a diffrence."
Ok, but schools like VMI and Robert Morris are at the bottom of D1 and last year VMI lost to DIII Washington and Lee (middle of pack) by more than 3 goals. Colorado College and Whittier, both talented DIII teams, have also lost to college CLUB teams (CSU, BYU, UCSB)...

New information with the summer teams:
Robin Buckley has been contemplating putting a Milwaukee "All-Star/Conference" team togther to compete in various tournements (which college coaches would attend) throughout the Midwest...

[USMlax]

I have to make a personal recant of my past statements...
USM, my team, is having our worst season to date and I have to give more credit to other Milwaukee area teams for major skill improvment in the last year. I've been to overconfident with my teams abilities, but don't get me wrong, I still give my guys credit for sticking it out this year (after losing our phenominal coach) and hope to turn around our poor showing thus far...

Marquette#2- I respect your stance on Oberlin, and I think it's great a MUHS player is participating in their program. I'm sorry for portraying myself as somewhat of an @$$ for ripping on Oberlin, for they may not be a superb team (Salisbury or Lynchberg), yet still deserve recognition as a legit program.

[Eclipse]

u bring that milwaukee all star team over to madison...ill put together a little madison team..we will be glad to play you.

On a side note good to see tradition is holding up and middleton and verona are currently 1 and 2 in the state....we play verona this thursday, should be interesting

[Npaulseth]

I am the coach for the UW- Eau Claire team, and would be more than happy to help any of you out.

[Eclipse]

Where did you play in college and high school. Just Wondering?

[LovitLaxit24]

alright, this is my last post on this, Colorado College and Whittier, DIII teams, lost college CLUB teams (CSU, BYU, UCSB)...but CLUB shouldn’t be taken lightly. you should note that among the top club teams in the nation a major difference between club and DI is funding you may not believe me on that but you can check it out. That’s why clubs can recruit but they don’t give scholarships because they don’t have the school backed funds. I’m sure if you put many of the teams in the USL MDIA-A division up against some of the DI teams they would probably be some good games. Now I’ve heard from coaches in the USL MDIA-B division talk that they moved a lot of teams from the B division to the A division this year because the plan is to move teams from A division to DI over the next few years. I guess well see about that.
My point is that you can’t judge a team or school on how good it is by whether they are labeled DI, DII, DIII or club because a lot of where they are has to do with school size, School Funding, title IX, all that stuff, not skill or talent level. And teams like Oberlin are very very young teams and that also makes a difference.

[USMlax]

u bring that milwaukee all star team over to madison...ill put together a little madison team..we will be glad to play you.

On a side note good to see tradition is holding up and middleton and verona are currently 1 and 2 in the state....we play verona this thursday, should be interesting
How about an "All-State team? This would obviously more competitive and a better representation of talent...just a thought...

[LovitLaxit24]

I think its time for a madison vs milwuakee showdown, madison probably would beat milwaukee but it would be some good lacrosse.

[Butters14]

I'm fairly certain that either Middleton's or Verona's teams woudl beat a Milwaukee all star team. There's no need to make a Madison all star team to play you.

[Eclipse]

lol, sorry but its true

[jb19]

we've seen the teams play before and we can agree on that ^, but its not that one sided.

[LovitLaxit24]

well well, its probably true, but man all im saying is it would probably be some good lacrosse. middleton only beat Sun Pairie by 3. and granit verona is a much better team than any milwaukee team, but the score is always alot more lopsided than how the game was really played. Im just looking to play some more lacrosse boys.

[Eclipse]

needless to say the score of the sun praire game did not really represent how it actually went down, sure we only only beat them by three, but we possesed the ball around 70 percent of the game and just didnt really take alot of shots, not only that but we only allowed 2 goals. I think both middleton and verona are better then any combination of all stars put together from milwaukee. Ive noticed the real difference in skill comes at defense. your guys offensive isnt bad but the defense are too finesse and just dont seem to have it together as much. All i can say is i hope it wont be like last year when a team we beat 19-2 manages to get into the state championship game, while were stuck playing the third place game. I think how they run state is a fluke, although the top 4 actual rankings of teams in the state were all from madison, yea you gotta bring in teams from other conferences but in all honesty, its kind of messed up how we got shafted with a consolation game when we only lost to verona by 3, and beat marquette by 17, and they end up in the state game over us losing by like 12. In no way am i trying to brag at all but, i think we should go back to how it was 2 years ago where madison had like 4 teams in state since we were a way bigger conference, this year Bay valley conference has alot of teams so give them 3 teams to state, our conference 3 and milwaukee 2. I dont see anything wrong with that.

[Orum]

Glad to see lacrosse is developing in Wisco. I moved to Middleton right before high school started from growing up in Baltimore County and was let down by the fact no one knew what the sport was. So I am stoked to see Middleton representing Sconi lax.

[Eclipse]

yeah good teams now...putting out recruits as well

[USMlax]

Ok, for all the Wisconsin players, who do you think are the best players in your area by position? How many from WI are getting recruiting or a playing in college?

[Eclipse]

Well ill just go ahead and do everything but attack since thats what i play....as far as midfield...bice is good and everyone knows that, hes going to goucher to play, evan roberts and chris urso also good along with Ryan Boyd and Newman from west. When it comes to defense its all middleton and verona...both of our entire starting defenses could be mixmatched into a defense of death if they play good. As far as goalies...garret was amazing, but hes out now with shoulder injury so ill say alek kneebone (middleton) Butters (Verona) and Casey (Memorial) are prolly the best

[alynn]

good point

[LovitLaxit24]

Well from the Milwaukee area we have a few decent players, probably hard for you Madison guys to believe. Jimmy Kercellis (somin like that) is an excellent goalie from north shore. Kenny Maurer is a solid attack men, I know Alex Panosian from Marquette is being looked at by Notre Dame. I play attack and I'm heading out to CSU next year. So contrary to popular belief, there are actually good lacrosse players here. :bartmoon:

[USMlax]

Well from the Milwaukee area we have a few decent players, probably hard for you Madison guys to believe. Jimmy Kercellis (somin like that) is an excellent goalie from north shore. Kenny Maurer is a solid attack men, I know Alex Panosian from Marquette is being looked at by Notre Dame. I play attack and I'm heading out to CSU next year. So contrary to popular belief, there are actually good lacrosse players here. :bartmoon:


Conrad Scoville...is that you? If it is, hows the leg?

On another note, USM boasts some quality attackman in Sean Gebhard (7th grade) and Tom Keily. Eastsidess Joe Bottacelli is a quick and offensively gifted middie, as is Panosian.

Don't take this the wrong way, but there are no legit big-time DI prospects from the Milwaukee area, maybe even the entire state. Hopefully in another few years this will change, yet at this point in time, the Notre Dames, Ohio States and Denvers won't likely seek talent in the Dairy State. The only player (I've heard of) that has gotten DI looks seems to be Jace Rauman from Middleton. This is AFTER playing some JuCo ball out east...

[Eclipse]

Verona's injured goalie Garret Glenn got looks from Navy actually but doesnt want to go there so

[LovitLaxit24]

Yea its me, the leg, its gettin better, I can run now and hopefully in a few weeks ill be able to play a full game, cuz right now Ive only been alowed to play about 10-15 min in a game. thanks for askin, I should be pretty health when we play you next week.

[Marquette#2]

I know Alex Panosian from Marquette is being looked at by Notre Dame.:bartmoon:

I feel I should kind of clarify conrad's past statement. I'm not officially getting looked at by ND, all that happened is that my coach talked to their asst. coach for awhile on the phone about me and they want me to go out and meet with them at their camp this summer and get more information from me. That's definately cool, but i don't know if you consider it being recruited. So i guess I'll just leave that open for interpretation.
But what are all you boys doing this summer as for camps. I know i'm going to the UND camp and 95% sure going to the Bluechip 225. I've also tried getting in touch with the top 205 people but that hasn't been to easy so we'll see what happens. Ik i went to the run and shoot camp at roger williams last year (RI) with conrad and that was a good time. Any other suggestions? Where are you boys going? How's that wisco camp?
Alex

[USMlax]

Wisco camp at Whitewater is enjoyable. The head director, Joe Albrecci is the asst. coach at Duke and is very helpful towards WI players looking to play college ball. He's got great advice and brings in great talent to help coach (i.e. Dan Chemotti-New Jersey Pride and Duke alumn). It was a laid back environnment and I enjoyed myself, but I wish more Madison kids opted to come to make it more competitive. Overall, it's affordable, convenient and time well spent...

[USMlax]

Yea its me, the leg, its gettin better, I can run now and hopefully in a few weeks ill be able to play a full game, cuz right now Ive only been alowed to play about 10-15 min in a game. thanks for askin, I should be pretty health when we play you next week.

Should be fun and close...for the first quarter anyway. I really hope you guys haven't learned how to finish. MUHS had sooooo many oppurtunities to bury us, but our goalie came up big. I'm looking forward to the game! BTW, is the game in the Valley on MU's turf?

[Marquette#2]

The game isn't at valley field i guess they are doing some kind of construction on it. Were not sure when its gonna be as of right now because the baseball team may be using are normal field. Shorewood h.s. maybe?

[Eclipse]

Im going to Dixie top 150 in NC, and then prolly that whitewater camp. If MALA comes up right to then there should be an all madison team going to Michigan tournament, and according to the tournament page they invited like 500 college coaches.

[Lancerlax28]

I have a question about next year do people think Verona will be very good next year since they are losing 20 seniors?

[Marquette#2]

I have a question about next year do people think Verona will be very good next year since they are losing 20 seniors?

Personally, I don't see how they will be able to play at the same level after they lose so many solid players. I know last year I was looking at their roster and it was all juniors (kind of like how my team is now). But I know they have a solid JV team and a good little kids feeder program. Plus last year Middleton lost some real good kids and it looks like last week they knocked off Verona, that was a little bit of a surprise to me. So we'll just have to see.

[Butters14]

we definately take a knock, but dont count us out. We'll return a solid 2 dpoles who play a lot on varsity, we've got 4 good attackmen coming up whoa re getting varsity experience when we win big this year, and then well we lose basically every middy... but with the amazing goalie staying i dont see how they could be bad...

[Eclipse]

you are ridiculous butters, honestly though middleton didnt lose alot of players, we lost some good ones but def. alot. I mean our goalie who is now starting at d3 whittier and was featured in inside lacrosse, was replaced by an impressive junior, our attack is still doing great without campbell. Our midfield took the worst hit but alot of kids stepped up and were def. playing good.

[jb19]

yeah, congrats to middleton on beating verona. i wish i wouldve seen it. That was the state championship right there folks.

[ume2682]

what do think of bayval confrence?

[Butters14]

Jaron i'm just wondering, who do you thinks better, kneebone or sollenberger? Kneebone seems to be letting in less goals than sollenberger did last year...

[Eclipse]

Its really really tough to say man. Sollenberger was a damn amazing goalie and a tough won to live up to. I really dont think i can say, i can say they both come of huge in big games and def. dont crack under pressure. And they are both lefties, they are practically the same goalie. I would take both of them to step in net on my team any day.

[Marquette#2]

Madison people, Whats your playoffs like? I know that we (MALL) have a conference tourny to see who go in to the final four. So the regular season doesn't matter to much, only for seedings.

[Eclipse]

Well for us actually we get two teams....whoever won the regular season..middleton and whoever wins conference playoffs. If the same team wins regular season and playoffs, then whoever got second in playoffs gets a bid to state. So its going to be middleton no matter what, and likely verona.

[Marquette#2]

That'd be insane if somehow Verona didn't get in.

[Eclipse]

Its impossible...the only team that could beat them is us...and we will meet in the conference championship, but since we won regular season, even if we win conference tourney verona would get second (since we are on opposite ends of the bracket) and if the same team wins reg. season and the tourney, whoever gets second in the tourney goes to state.

[Butters14]

tisk tisk J-Ron perhaps you're forgetting of your close call vs west, whom you'll meet in the second round... don't look to the championship yet... although i hope you win so I have yet another chance to stuff the jew

[Marquette#2]

Just saw that Verona beat Middleton 6-3. Was that in the tourny or regular season still?

[Butters14]

It was in the Verona Bullrush Tournament, we played in the semifinals and won 6-3. It was a good game, the difference was our offense came to play this time around. Middleton took a big hit in Urso getting injured, but there was only a minute left so it would'nt have mattered with the 3 goal lead. By the way Jaron whats the word on Urso???

[groundball88]

are any of you people going to the brewtown shootout? I play for a travelling team from illinois during the summer, and i don't really know what to expect

[Lancerlax28]

Middleton better play better then they did against us because we were up 5-4 at half and played a bad 2nd half (along with them having a great second half). They beat us 10-5 and im sure if you have played us you know why they should be doing better then that.

[Eclipse]

yeah yeah, we had a bad game but this doesnt mean much...we broke down and came out really flat quite possibly the flattest we have ever come out...in around 3 years, also keep in mind every single of those 5 goals but one u score on our JV goalie.

[Lancerlax28]

ya you guys prolly played bad i could tell beacuse its was a close game and i got to give you credit for the hit you had on me i think it was you but that was the best hit ive seen all year n it wasnt a penalty

[Eclipse]

nah def. wasnt me...my member name misleades...im actually number 22 the attackman, give ur defense props though they have improved alot.

[Lancerlax28]

ya thanks but i thought it was you must have been wrong and ya our defense will be our strong point form now on with us starting the people we did and playing as good as we did we play 2 jrs and a fresh

[Eclipse]

yeah i scored 4 on u guys reg season...i think i only put in 2 or 3 today, plus in the first half you guys killed us on ground balls.

[Lancerlax28]

ya i think we were idk what but something we have never been before hopefully we can get a win in Brewtown since those our are last game and i dont want to say my first year in HS on Varisty we never won a game

[Marquette#2]

In my mind there are two main things that we have to do to get Wisconsin lacrosse to continue to evolve and gain more respect in the lacrosse world: play more out of state games and get more teams.
We did fair this year in out of state games going 6-11. With 4 separate teams playing in them (Verona, Middleton, Wausau, Waunakee; All in top 10), the teams they faced had an average power ranking of 81.56 which is 4.87 points higher then our state average of 76.69. I know my team, Marquette, got an invite to a Midwest Jesuit tournament in Indianapolis; however, we had to decline because of conflicts with our conference schedule. Hopefully next year we’ll get some out of state games with other teams in the Midwest, and maybe even one from the east if that Jesuit tournament continues expanding. What did you guys think about the out of state games if you played in any this year? Were you in a tourney or just a game and any idea how your coaches got you the games? What are the plans for next year?
More important for gaining state wide respect and WIAA recognition is getting more programs started. I’ve heard 40 teams and a significant girls sport (field hockey or W. lacrosse) is needed to make lacrosse WIAA. I know from talking with my school’s AD (http://www.jsonline.com/sports/prep/mar05/309607.asp) that lacrosse was heavily talked about at the annual WIAA meeting in Wausau and it was mentioned as the next big thing. Have you heard anything on the subject? Any whispers about more teams in the state? I know I’ve heard about the possibilities for programs in the Milwaukee area (Pius IX, Homestead, Brookfield East). I’m also particularly interested in the Verona’s program. They are obviously the top team in the state (Midd. close second), and I’ve heard that they are recognized by their school and receive funding and letterman’s awards. How’d you guys get to be sponsored? Any other schools out there sponsored?
Also anybody know whose coming out of the BayVal conference for State?

[Npaulseth]

WI should play MN teams more often.

[Butters14]

Verona is not sponsored at all by our school, we are recognized as a club sport. Basically, they let us use the practice field, but only in the morning. They will give club letters, but I believe those are different. We were also given the football stadium for our 3 home games. For being probably the best spring sport our school has, it's no where near what we deserve. Until another team wins a state championship I don't understand while our school will pay for our soccer team to go to Gulf Shores, Alabama, or to pay for our softball team to go to Pensacola Beach. You're right that this is better than some teams in the state, but those teams don't have girls teams traveling 500+ miles and getting new jerseys every year (look at our raggedy jerseys...). I just ranted about what I hate about our liberal *** school but until women get 3x what the guys get they'll never quit their *****ing so thats how it'll always be...

[Marquette#2]

Nice, the entire idea behind title IX is bogus, and definately frustrating for a sport that is trying to evolve. I guess I was a little confused with how your program works. I know that your AD is involved in scheduling your games because he contacted ours who has nothing to do with our scheduling. That football field thing is nice though, I know we play on a crap field. Frosh football practices there and at the beginning of each year the players and coaches comb the field for needles, bullets, and used condoms, among other things.
Any word on where the state championship is going to be held?

[Marquette#2]

Cardlaxattack2, I just signed up last night for the Dixie top 150 we'll have to hook up down there and do some repping for wisconsin lacrosse. Its pretty sweet that fifty kids are choosen from there to go to the champ camp on a South team or what ever. I'm going to the Bluechip 225 in Fairfield as well and hopefully the notre dame one if I can scrape some money together.

[Butters14]

State championship game will be held at Breese Stephens (sp?) located in downtown area of Madison. And about the playing Minnesota teams more often, Verona actually had scheduled games against Eden Prairie and Hopkins this year. Although since they scheduled it over spring break we didn't have enough players, since our coaches were to dumb to think about how many people leave for spring break, and we had to cancel the games. Although judging from our game against Eden Prairie down in Chicago, which was much closer than the score dictated, 1 goal game the entire game until we just died and they got 3 goals in the last 2 minutes or something, we could compete with Minnesota teams. They're still a level above us because they've been playing longer but I think we'd still be able to field competitive games vs good teams up there. Any Minnesota team wanting to play us, Verona, next year just send me a message and I'll talk to my coach about scheduling games with you guys when we can actually make it. On a sidenote, do all Minnesota teams have domes that they play in? It sounded like that when we were scheduling with Eden Prairie and Hopkins...

[Eclipse]

yo marquette2 we will def. meet up. It would be lunatic if we ended up on the same team....we should talk when we play you guys in the semis..whenever that is.

[Eclipse]

hey marquette looks like we got you guys in the semifinals this saturday..exciting. If you guys lose you should stay in town and bring ur team to the state championship to watch. The more people the better.

[Butters14]

Correction, when Marquette loses they should stay and watch the championship game. Don't even give them the luxury of hope, it'd be like those propoganda posters during ww2, "Work will set you free"... yeah and Rosie Odonnel is straight

[Eclipse]

Im not as big of an *** as you butters thats all.

[Butters14]

Wow, I may be an *** but pretty sure I've been able to back up what I've said all year. So whatever.

[Marquette#2]

Considering how much ripping you guys have done on Milwaukee lacrosse I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that we played Midd. today pretty hard. Lost 7-5 up 4-1 at end of first and tied at half. Sounds like the gap between the regions may be closing. I was dead too from the ACT anyone else take that crap, rediculous. And what happnd btw Verona and whoever?
State Finals sounds pretty legit. Big Stadium, Introductions, Color Commentary, 6 hours worth of lacrosse events. I'll be there.

[Butters14]

I'm just curious, how many goals did you score at even strength? Also was Sid Flanders reffing? Answer those then I'll decide where you competed legitely. Verona beat Appleton 12-6, they took about 35 shots, at least 50 if you count the ones that missed the net. Essentially the goalie's make mistakes eventually Garret let 3 in I let 3 in. Big game tomorrow, we need to fill the stadium as this will be the biggest game of the next few years, the climax of Veronas powerhouse, and Middleton's team. Tied at 1-1 in state championships... any predictions?

[Marquette#2]

Sid was reffing. He's the best ref we've seen all year. As for even strength goals. I know that I had one right off of a face off but I think the other four were when we were either one or two men up. But likewise they had atleast 4 when we were man down.
As for tonite I'm going to have to say Verona. I'd prefer Midd. just so I could say we lost to the eventual champs, but other then that it doesn't make a huge difference. Maybe we tired them out a little more then Appleton did with you guys. I know there gonna have to stay out of the box or else there screwed. It should be a good game.

[Butters14]

HAHA, I won't even take my time to explain to you how terrible of a ref that Sid Flanders is. He's like a wounded horse that should be shot before he spreads his ****tiness in the art of reffing.

[Marquette#2]

If your considering him bad then you should see some of the refs we get here in Milwaukee. What happened in the game tonite though I couldn't make it.

[Butters14]

Excellent game thru first half, middleton chose to not play the second half verona wins 11-4.

[Eclipse]

and butters chose not to play at all!

[Butters14]

Except when we got up by 7 goals, and coach let me play attack. BTW you were the first team I was allowed to play attack against... such a slap in the face...

[Eclipse]

have fun finishing dead last next year playa

[Butters14]

We wont get dead last, lets be honest, I could probably beat Lafollete on my own, they lose the only player who can catch a ball...

[Lancerlax28]

Hey we may be bad but were not THAT bad and who is the player we lose that can catch the ball (since we only lose 3 varisty players)

[Eclipse]

He's talking about showers

[Lancerlax28]

ya thats who i thought he was but he was only a jr this year we still have him for one more year

[Butters14]

So I stand corrected, you return a single player who can catch... and really, you were THAT bad

[USMlax]

Butters- It sounds like someone is being a little overconfident. Choose your words carefully, and trust me on this one. My team, University School, has gone from undefeated (frosh), to 500 (soph), and now 2-7 (jr). I predicted my team to be the best in Milwaukee this year and got shat on for my boldness. No matter what your personal abilities may be, lacrosse still remains a team sport and a one man show can only carry a team so far. I speak from painful personal experience.

On a different note, I would like to offer congrats to not only Verona and Middleton on yet another strong season, but also Marquette for thier valiant effort vs the Cards and their utter dominance of MALA. Good luck to all graduating seniors as well.

[Marquette#2]

but also Marquette for thier valiant effort vs the Cards and their utter dominance of MALA. Good luck to all graduating seniors as well.

Gebhardt,
We're MALL (Milwaukee area lacrosse league), Pretty sure Madison is MALA (Madison area lacrosse association).
How many guys from your varsity team do you have returning for next year?
We're returning 24 players from last year's varsity, and 9 of 10 starters, and one of our 2 LSM. We're losing 11 Seniors.

[Eclipse]

Marquette2....ready for dixie? We gotta throw down

[USMlax]

Gebhardt,
We're MALL (Milwaukee area lacrosse league), Pretty sure Madison is MALA (Madison area lacrosse association).
How many guys from your varsity team do you have returning for next year?
We're returning 24 players from last year's varsity, and 9 of 10 starters, and one of our 2 LSM. We're losing 11 Seniors.

Good call. I tend to forget things like that with an IQ of 46. We lose our goalie, 2 middies, and Brophy on D. That's neither here nor there in terms of talent. We can't get much worse...

[Butters14]

Overconfident? I didn't say we'd get first, I just said we wouldn't get last, and the only reason I picked Lafollette to say that about is they were one of 2 teams in Wisconsin to lose every game. I'll admit i'm ****y but I dont think saying we wont get last is being overconfident...

[Marquette#2]

Marquette2....ready for dixie? We gotta throw down
Hell yea. Just getting done reading all the sh*t the Illinois b*tches are saying about wisco in the brewtown thread. Which is def. getting me pumped. Going straight from the brewtown to the Notre Dame camp to the Dixie so I should be ready to go lax wise too.

[Marquette#2]

Anybody read the article about Western players playing DI ball. It was in Lacrosse Magazine (US Lacrosse's publication). There it had a list of all the non traditional lacrosse states and how many DI players they have on current rosters. Wisconsin has none in 2005 (no shock to anyone hopefully) but what did surprise me is that for 2000 (the only other year listed) Wisconsin had 1. Anybody else see this/know anything about it?

[Butters14]

I saw it but figured it was just someone who was born here but moved out east when they were like 2. I dont really see any other way there could be someone from wisco.

[Marquette#2]

thats what I was thinking too. Butters why aren't you playing for MALA in michigan?

[Laxergirl]

are there any colleges in wisc. that have lacrosse as a sport? i mean like D1, D2 or D3, not club

[Marquette#2]

are there any colleges in wisc. that have lacrosse as a sport? i mean like D1, D2 or D3, not club

No, but all the schools pretty much have club teams, but they don't play in the USLIA its a Great Lakes league.

[Butters14]

I wasn't picked for the MALA team. Apparently there are 3 goalies who are better than me. From what I've heard they've been destroying teams up there, i think 12-0 and 12-2 in the first two games.

[Marquette#2]

good. hopefully they win it all. I don't know what other solid teams are up there. I know theres a few JV teams.

[Butters14]

lost 5-6 in ot to some team

[Eclipse]

it sucked....we were down 4-1 in the first quarter...then came back but ended up losing. we came out so flat..it was real early

[Butters14]

so on a new subject... whos your top 10 for 2005? everyone says middleton will be tops but I think west will take it next year, they've been screwed the past 2 years being behind the best 2 teams, i think they'll pick it up. Other than that i think the rest of wisconsin will be on more of an even level.

[Eclipse]

on top of that west has 2 players! absolutely no defense, and no goalie. Damn i hope neuman and boyd can score alot of goals...middleton guys, middleton

[Butters14]

west really only had two players this year as well and look how well they did... they just have a lot of players who are good enough to get them the ball.

[Eclipse]

they also had mike at defense, erik at attack....and boyd and neuman and midfield. Middleton returns two of three starting defenseman, starting goalie, and about half its midfield.

[Butters14]

then look at middletons attack... the 9 year old brigade. Attack is generally a vital part to a good team... Without you jaron, middletons attack has no threats

[Marquette#2]

I think you’d have to consider my team up there. I mean we played tough against a solid middleton team, and our returning all but one starter from that team (He was our only senior at that game). Middleton is returning some good players but there also losing some of their best. Verona is obviously going to lose a lot of people, and I don’t know to much about west or the Green bay programs. It should be a good season and I think the first where Madison loses its dominance.

[Eclipse]

madison could very well lose its dominance but i still think it going to have the best teams....although marquette could pull the upset. I would count out any Green bay team except wausau....they were very athletic amazing first year team, and middleton and west should be tops in madison.

[Butters14]

i think marquette will be solid, and shuld take milwaukee easily. I think it'll be west or middleton, and it will come down to the city wide tourney this year b/c madtown only gets one bid to state. Green bay gets two teams, i'd look to see wausau and maybe notre dame or appleton. Both the green bay teams will lose and it'll be milwaukee vs madison in championship. I got west vs marquette, in a tight game b/c west has no depth and marquette has a lot of numbers.

[Marquette#2]

That sounds like a pretty solid prediction. I think wasau will be solid next year. They came down to play us this year and we only beat them by one 7-6. Even though our goalie let in 6 crap goals and it should have been 7-0. They weren't that good with fundamentals but they had some good athletes. I have no idea how many they'll be returning but i've got to assume that it will be pretty many considering they were a first year team and I can't see why they would recruit seniors to play last year.

[Marquette#2]

Another thing against us and Wasau is that you guys play against the best competition all year while we're foced to travel to play some good teams. I know we're hoping to get some out of state games for next year though. But still thats travel time and dollars for games where you guys play solid teams in your conrference. O yea and another think i wanted to add is that the playoff system is rediculous. Why not just make it 8 teams like some1 suggested before. Conf. winners auto. get top 3 seeds then laxpower or some other system fills out the other 5. Why should Green Bay get 2 teams if the true wild card is in madison or anywhere else for that matter? Some of you madison boys should suggest this.

[Butters14]

they did a three year 4 team set up, this last season madison hosted, madison got two teams, this next season its green bay hosting so they get two teams, then the year after it will be milwaukee. I agree its a **** system but thats how its set up. To be honest madisons the best place to have it, theres the best nightlife if they wanted to make it a 2 day tournament, and you can still do something to enjoy coming here. If you drive up to green bay all you get is lacrosse, theres nothing else to do outside packer season, and well i'm a poor white boy... going to milwaukee only means sudden death

[Marquette#2]

It's in Greenbay next year? That is retarded. What stadium will they host it in? Milwaukee and Madison have stadiums greenbay does not, and Milwaukee actually may have 2 solid teams the next year. But I know my team will be down because everyone is a senior next year. Where milwaukee teams may be solid when we host the tourny they will be no where close to state champs or deserving of two teams. Someone should complain. State tournys have to be in madison, its the freaking capital. thats just how sports work example... WIAA!

[Marquette#2]

Butters you should complain to your coach doesn't he help run everything?

[Butters14]

i say we boycott state this next year, and boycott playing gb teams. they're the reason wausau didnt go to state this year, bc they refused to play them. They *****ed about playing us b/c we play to physical for them. We shuld make two states this year, the powderpuff division (green bay) then we'll have teh real state between madison and milwaukee

[Butters14]

i'd actually prefer to not talk to my coach until his camp... i think he makes me dumber...

[Marquette#2]

lol. I can see why you'd be for the boycott. verona next year? jk. i still can't believe that, Wasau should have gone to state how can Green Bay just not let them in their confrence. I mean do they want lacrosse to grow? How was appleton or ne other greenbay teams when you played them? we only played wasau so i don't know to much bout gb. butters check your pm.

[Eclipse]

Idk why they say to physical...we played the "Green Bay All stars" and all those kids did was hit, they had no skills otherwise.

[Marquette#2]

thats what most bad teams do. I've never heard them say to physical.

[Butters14]

appleton had a pretty good goalie, that was their team though, they shot everytime they had the ball and from bad angles. gb southwest was the only other team we played, and they quit in the 4th quarter b/c we hit too hard. they refused to play wausau which made them ineligible for their conference tourney

[Eclipse]

They *****ed about playing us b/c we play to physical for them.

Menasha also emailed our coach because we were "goons" who couldnt play lacrosse...just hit

[Butters14]

i say we send all the green bay teams sets of pom poms and tell them to start practicing something they could potentially be good at

[LaXchiCk07]

Idk why they say to physical...we played the "Green Bay All stars" and all those kids did was hit, they had no skills otherwise.
why do you say that?

[bplax]

hey i like how u guys say i cant believe the grren bay teams didnt let wausa in the playoffs. and then u say how thats not how to make lacrosse grow. and then u gys just sit on here and talk **** about us. thats how u get lacrosse to get going in the state. nice job hard ***

[Marquette#2]

hey i like how u guys say i cant believe the grren bay teams didnt let wausa in the playoffs. and then u say how thats not how to make lacrosse grow. and then u gys just sit on here and talk **** about us. thats how u get lacrosse to get going in the state. nice job hard ***

So are you saying that you guys didn’t cheat Wasau out of a fair chance at the playoffs? And more then that we’re simply pointing out how bogus it is that Greenbay not only hosts next year and gets two teams. Madison is clearly the best conference so they should get two teams. And Madison should always be the host city, even over my hometown Milwaukee. Greenbay is third on the list and its not even close to a central location. And how is us talking on this site hindering anything?

[Butters14]

We can sit here and talk **** about you, because we handily beat everyteam from your conference, in fact, last season we handily beat that piece of **** "all star" team you guys put together. Well lets look at this, if we're doing a ****ty job of spreading lacrosse, then why does madison have the most and the best teams. Considering the best player from green bay has been that 500 pound sumo from menasha, and only because he covers the entire net, how bout you get some skills before you start talking ****. You ****ed over wausau because you're pansy *******, and next year you're ****ing over at least one team in madison because you're spending time crying about how we shuld all worship you. You will never get respect from me, and I hope to god you come down to play us next year b/c i guarantee i'll embarass you in every way possible.

[bplaxmm]

butters14, sounds like wausau was whining, yet they would not put out to play with other teams in gb area, they were too busy looking to play easy Ill. teams. Our coach tried to get other games (we did scrimmage them pre-season) but they did not cooperate. They just did not make an effort to get conferance games to qualify for state playoffs. Maybe this is a learning curve for a first year team. Yes, the players at BayPort do realize the Bulrush teams are good, but up here teams are jelling and building pride, much like the self love you are spouting.

[laxjunkie]

I would like to offer a clarification about Wausau. The Bay-Valley Conference requires 10 conference games for the season. Also, it was decided that first year teams were not eligible for playoffs. This was recommended by coaches in Illinois. It avoids having a first year team that has the potential to fall apart from over committing. The first year for any team is difficult at best.

Wausau was added to our conference late, and both NDA and Bay Port tried to schedule games with them. But, they did not meet the 10 game minimum. They played well and next year will do great.

In fact, all conference were supposed to play 10 conference games, but the directive wasn't made clear to the coaches. Communication in the WLF has been an issue, with the chapter secretary being the only individual making a good effort.

Yes, the Madison teams are solid. Some teams are great, but have the reputation of being unsportmanlike - which is a shame. The unsportsmanlike conduct will send us the way of the rugby clubs. There are also teams with stellar reputations and great skills, and I have nothing but the highest respect for them and their coaches.

Remember, all teams will go through rebuilding years at some point. Bay Port did this year, with only 3 seniors and 3 juniors (one from each class being brand new). But there are also a large group of sophomores moving up who will be above and beyond sophomores of previous years. One of those Bay Port sophomores had the hardest shot of all high school kids at the Brewtown Showdown at 85 mph, and the NDA goalie shot 75 mph with his goalie stick and over 80 with a regular stick. Programs are strong some years, and rebuild during others, with the exception of my alma mater, West Genesee in New York, whose 9th grade team would blow Verona and Middleton out of the water. Wisconsin lacrosse has a long way to go, but it will get there.

The "all-star" team you were reference from last year lost to Verona by only two goals. It was a solid game, and considering the team only practiced together three times is admirable. They weren't spanked in any manner. During that game, the Verona coach was almost thrown out, the Verona players talked back to the refs, and talked back to the Green Bay coaches (me being one of them), and the parents weren't any better. To have a dad standing on an endline trashtalking high school boys is pathetic at best. Verona players should be embarrassed with the bad impression their behavior left on every person at the tournament. You can be good, and not be an a-hole in the process.

Regarding the tournament, the coaches as a whole, decided to rotate the tournament to help grow the sport in the state. Madison was this year, Green Bay next year, Milwaukee the following year. The two team bid is to help draw a home crowd and get people excited about the growth of the sport. Yes, Madison is a great town, but putting together a tournament is a lot of work. The coaches (including Verona's) felt this divies the work load up while giving the sport better exposure state-wide. Green Bay is not too far behind in the number of teams and will be adding at least another one next year. While not a big town, we too have had the growth of lacrosse just like everywhere else, and there is a better chance at media exposure than the bigger cities. In regard to a stadium, between UW-GB and St. Norbert, we have access to two stadiums. This is not a cowtown guys.

Please realize that the coaches just want the sport to spread as much as the players do. To talk trash about the different regions is not going to help. If I locked you all in a room together, you may find you actually like each other because you all share the love of lacrosse.

Peace out guys.

[DwinsChamps]

No, i disagree. Bayport sucks at lacrosse...were you any good before your "rebuilding year?" Not to mention, congratulations on only losing to us by two goals with your all-star team...we played our defensemen at attack for two quarters. If we had actually brought up our entire team and played you kids seriously, it would have been a pretty demeaning game that may have forced your female coach into hiding.

To refute your silly comments about Wausau, i remember Wausau being belligerant in scheduling a game against us. Bayport did it's best to hide from the MALA/Bullrush teams, which was evident when they played only Madison West. I understand that you need to fill the requirements and play 10 conference teams, but that doesn't mean you can't schedule more. For example, we managed to play 19 games (not including state) while fulfilling the 10 game requirement and playing a hoard of other state and out of state teams. Maybe it was worth it for Wausau to play a real schedule then easily whoop-*** in BayVal, and you can't honestly say that they wouldn't have kicked your **** in...Wausau easily beat a Neenah team that you overcame in overtime, and was 3-0 vs. BayVal teams.

Maybe next season, your 85-mph shooter will help you beat a Wausau team that is going to be rape you and your silly woman-coach...

[Butters14]

The "all-star" team you were reference from last year lost to Verona by only two goals. It was a solid game, and considering the team only practiced together three times is admirable. They weren't spanked in any manner. During that game, the Verona coach was almost thrown out, the Verona players talked back to the refs, and talked back to the Green Bay coaches (me being one of them), and the parents weren't any better. To have a dad standing on an endline trashtalking high school boys is pathetic at best. Verona players should be embarrassed with the bad impression their behavior left on every person at the tournament. You can be good, and not be an a-hole in the process.

That is the biggest bull**** I have ever seen in my life. That dad standing on the endline was backing up balls, he in no way said anything to your team, perhaps if you weren't whiny ******* who had to throw together an all star team to even compete against half of our varsity with jv players thrown in. The only reason teams say we give a bad impression is because we know how to play lacrosse, something green bay teams, with the exception of wausau, dont know how to do. But you're right an all star team losing to a normal team by only 2 goals is admirable... Oh and btw, the only reason our coach was almost kicked out was because one of YOUR ******* players started a fight with one of ours. You guys screwed over wausau because you cant handle playing a team that plays physical, or a team that knows how to play real lacrosse. The only green bay team that had the balls to invite us up to play was gb southwest, and they had to cancel the game early in the 4th quarter because our kids were hitting to hard. Get some balls before you say you know how to play lacrosse. And by the way, where was this hardest shot against the second to last team in madison, remember the team you lost to? Thats what I thought.

[bplax]

dude i like how u can sit on here and talk **** about a coach. what the hell has she ever done to u. her husband is another coach in the area why dont u talk **** about him too. u guys are a bunch of hard asses talking about a coach that has nothing to do with u. She is proboly the coolest coach i have ever seen.

and about the whole wuasau thing i would have liked to play them. i really would of like to see them in the playoffs. i didnt make the rule of them not being able to be in the playoffs .we played them down in millwakee and i have alot more respect for them then ill ever have for u guys down there any day

[Butters14]

Thats alright we dont need you're respect, its more enjoyable to destroy teams who hate us. Correction, its more enjoyable to watch our JV team destroy teams who hate us...

[laxjunkie]

I'm not getting into this with high school boys who obviously have no class and don't see the big picture of what all the Wisconsin coaches are trying to accomplish. Those who talk the most trash have the most to hide - sorry you boys have to compensate for your insecurities.

I'll let the players hash this argument out.

[Butters14]

You're right the big picture of not allowing a better team to compete because you guys apparently arent talented enough to compete with them... And i believe we have nothing to hide, we left everything on the field at state, an opportunity you did not have b/c you were'nt good enough to "have something to hide" And i'm not insecure at all, I would love to see a gb team compete with the best of madison, but it will never happen. How bout we put your "green bay all star team" vs MALA's team. I'd be shocked if you were within 10 goals. And I dont see how cancelling games midway thru them is seeing the big picture, b/c the only representation of Green Bay coaches i've seen is that lombardi guy quitting mid game. Believe me we see the big picture, and I wouldnt be such a jackass since it was veronas group of seniors that gave wisconsin a chance to see high school lacrosse. Although apparently they didnt see the big picture by starting it all...

[LaXchiCk07]

Holy **** you guys. Having a girl coach has nothing to do with our team. Shes probably got more balls than any of you guys actually playing lacrosse right now. Being the only girl coach for a guys team...hell she could kick all your asses. Female or not you guys all talk alot **** about Bay Port and you can't back anything up. To me it seems like you guys are just trying to make lacrosse seem like it's just a bunch of ******** playing.

[laxjunkie]

Verona started it in Madison, which is great. We started in Green Bay a year later without knowledge of the Madison group, which is great too. Robin Buckley has been working his butt off in Milwaukee trying to get the youth program off the ground. More growth to all of us - we should all be proud.

Obviously, you don't understand the decision was made before Wausau even started the season. It will hold true for any new team in the conference. If Wausau takes the conference next year, more power to them. They did great this year, and I hope they do great next year as well. I have nothing against Wausau, and the coaches and I have emailed throughout the season, and actually get along very well.

By the way, I saw the last two quarters of your SW game. I was disappointed by the attitude y'all took, and with a more experienced ref, at least one player should have been thrown out of the game (#19 - 4 personal fouls and two unsportsmanlikes, with a third called when the game was called - it's a shame, he's an outstanding athlete). One of your team's fathers called me to say he was disappointed in your team's behavior in the following game as well and they were working on the attitude problem. (I believe an emergency captain's meeting was called) It only takes a few bad apples to ruin the reputation of the team, you must be one of them. :^)

[Butters14]

Well the only reason we cant "back anythign up" is because they refuse to play us because we're "too physical". And you're right we shuld stop making fun of that coach because she probably does have more balls than all of us. It's insulting to call a man like that a woman...

[Butters14]

If you were at that game, you'd realize the reason he got unsportsmanlikes, was because he wasn't the one committing the penalties. I'm not saying a penalty wasn't commited, but he was only at fault for one of his penalties. I believe it was green bay fans saying "Kill that ****ing *****, beat the hell out him, kill, etc." It was not our fans causing problems but theirs. I'll admit I may be wrong about the Wausau thing, I only know from what their players told me. Apparently their players didn't know about that rule either. But if you're going to trash our team, i'm going to trash green bay right back. And if i'm a bad apple, how come I only got one penalty all season? You're right about LP it is a shame he has a mouth, but in that particular game his rage was justified as he didn't commit most of the penalties he was charged with.

[Butters14]

And for the matter of the emergency captain's meeting, from what I heard from our captains it was asking ourselves if we do play too physical, because of green bay southwests' *****ing about us. We went one game in madison trying to not play physical, and we realized that madison clearly plays different lacrosse than green bay evidently does. It's far more physical down here, and in milwaukee from what i've seen as well. The reffing isn't consistent throughout wisconsin which is why a problem such as this is brought up. If we were called for unsportsman like and roughing like penalties in madison we wouldnt play like that.

[laxjunkie]

I agree with your last two posts and don't think Madison plays too physical. Within our conference there is a disagreement on this as well.

They are working on standardizing the reffing - Green Bay, for instance has had a lot of first year refs this year, Madison's may have been around for four years. It all takes time, and when your on the ground level of a new program, it sucks. Ten years from now, it will be awesome. I am willing offer a peace treaty, end the discussion, and am ignoring the comment three posts up.

[LaXchiCk07]

Refuse to play you, whatever. your just making a bigger *** of your self than before. too physical...that's what lacrosse is supposed to be about. physical. you get pads and a helmet...that shows that duh maybe you are going to get phsycial during the game. yeah u should stop making fun of her, plus ur being a ****ing ******* right now... you just can't handle that maybe a female could kick your ***. your being so immature about everything... maybe you should go back to preschool or something

[Butters14]

You know what, we werent the ones complaining about it being too physical. I also didnt start trashing that woman coach, that was someone else so dont ***** at me. And after playing gb southwest, there were green bay teams that refused to play us. I dont know exactly which ones but apparently they thought we played to rough.

[GBlacrosse]

well well well gentleman it seems like an arguement is a brewing. i think we shoudl all just settle down and take some deep breaths, espically you Laxchick and you too butters. from the sound of it i would like to purpose that laxchick is from bay port and butters is from verona. am i correct??? well anyways, i would like to say that it is quite harsh of you butters to say that gb has no talent. i do beleive that all-star team of theirs was very good last year and nearly beat you. and i also would like to congratulate you on the win. nice game. but to say there is no talent is not nice. it kinda puts stuff in perpective win you are talkin about jv and freshmen teams and gb team barely have enough interest to fill their varsity ranks (and remember lacrosse is still a club sport so lets not be calling it Varsity and JV because really there is none). and also about the physicalness of both teams. Verona you play like a bball team and GB plays like a football team. nothin against either just different styles. Verona will hit if need be but GB wants to hit and is damn good at it.

[LaXchiCk07]

You're right Iam from bay port, and butters i wasn't *****ing at you about the woman being a coach, it was to anyone that was underestemating her abilities. I also didn't get to add that I was not down at the tournament, so I don't know anything about what happend. but congrats on the win butters.

[DwinsChamps]

...if Greenbay "wanted to hit", their coach wouldn't have called the game early.

On a side note, we never get conduct penalties when we play real teams...only against the bushleague that is 'BayVal', which relies on hitting to compensate for their lost pride and ****ty gameplay. From what i've seen, only there's only a small handful of talent in that entire conference, and no one good enough to be even a second-liner on Verona or Middleton's teams.

I understand that we are trying to spread the sport and all, but at this point in time, Green Bay is only a cancer to the many good Madison teams (and even milwaukee to an extent) that don't get an opportunity to play in state bc BayVal steals two slots. With the exception of two teams in the MALA conference, any MALA team could beat the best all-star team that BayVal could create, without question.

In regards to the sexist and crude comments made earlier about Bayport's coach, i was kidding. While it's always entertaining to poke fun at ladies in the workforce (and in the driver's seat), i forgot that there were girl players who might take offense to such hilarious remarks. My apologies.

[LaxDefndr]

Ok for Madison teams... We all know that you are better than anyone in the BayVal confrence. Congrats. Because we all know that it has nothing to do with the fact that you have been around longer than anyone in the BayVal confrence. We all know that youre just natrualy born lacrosse players and even if the tables were turned and we were the teams that had been around longer and you were just starting you would still beat us. But I think you all need to be a little bit more mature and get it through your heads which have clearly been hitten in the head a few too many times and a little bit too hard by lacrosse sticks and realise that in this state if our lacrosse program is too get ANYWHERE there is always going to need to be new and inexperienced teams and should realise that in a small way though you may be too stupid to realise it we are sort of doing you a favor. So stop your constant whining and get over the fact that we arent as good as you. Granted in lacrosse skills we may still be lesser than you but at least we are good sports about it and arent immature or disrespectful. We have pride in what we are able to do and when we do get better at least we wont rub it in to the rest of the world that were better than beginning teams. And we'll be decent to our fellow players who are trying to play the sport and learn the ways of the game. And we'll respect them.

[GBlacrosse]

thank you laxdefndr, nicely put. but i don't think it is right to count out all of the bay-val conference. maybe they don't have alot of talented players but the ones they do have are just as good as anyone else in the state. plus i like how dwinschamp likes to compare all of the bay-val to southwest saying that we would all just walk off the field. (espically we that is probably the only bay-val team he has played.

[DwinsChamps]

It's true, other than the numerous BayVal teams that i've played since my inception to this league in 8th grade...and Appelton, and Wausau this season...

I'll never forget when Green Bay Notre Dame refused to come to our tourney because they felt it would be a waste of their time....we would never be able to compete with mighty GBND. Of course when we finally tricked them into coming, they were such poor sports about getting their asses kicked by us that they boycotted our cookout, boarded their coach busses, and promptly fled.

Other than Neenah and Oshkosh North (laxpower.com pretty much sums up their skills) I've got plenty of experience with the weakass BayVal conference...

[LaxDefndr]

What was wrong with Appleton? Im pretty sure Appleton didnt just walk off the field.

[DwinsChamps]

Your right, i shouldn't bring Appleton and Wausau into this mix. Wausau was good enough to play real teams--opposed to the joke schedule that most BayVal teams play--and I indeed respect them for it. Appleton is straight too, it's teams like Bayport who think they are deserving of respect when they play ****ty ball and (contrary to what ppl are saying) indeed have been around for nearly as long as us...

[LaxDefndr]

No offense to your opinion. But I honestly think both Bayport and Notre Dame are good. They talk yes but they play good for the most part.

[Butters14]

First off they were not good. Second of all they aren't in a position to talk trash. As you'll see, every team we've talked **** to we've handily beaten. We can back it up. Even Green Bay's allstar team woudl be in no position to talk as they lost to the 7th ranked team in madison, congratulations though i'm sure it was a huge moral victory just to be accepted on to the same field as a real team.

[DwinsChamps]

What makes you think that? Neither have done well against a good lacrosse team, in state or out of state. Far and away the best team that Notre Dame has played this season has been Appleton, who has beaten them handily twice...not to mention getting railed by an awful Menasha team. Bayport took fourth place in a pretty easy BayVal conference, barely beating the easiest of teams (Neenah and Southwest) and getting stomped by good teams (Madison West beat them 10-2 and Appleton beat them by as much as 8-3). Neither Notre Dame or Bayport has beaten a real team this season.

[LaxDefndr]

Thanks for proving my point on how immature and pathetic you guys are. You guys all talk and then when anyone plays you guys and do pretty good you have a million excuses as to why you didnt beat them by more. For example when you beat the all star team by 2 it was because your best players werent playing. Grow up.

[Butters14]

Who cares how much we win by? We win, and thats what matters. Count the state championships madison's won, and you'll see where the real talent is. If you'd like i'm sure we could get our JV team together to have a repeat of that 2 goal victory.

[DwinsChamps]

Our excuse for only beating the All-Star team by two was that we took that team as such a joke that we started our attack at defense and vice versa...

P.S. While you guys love to say that we "are always making excuses", you need to realize that you replace all of your team's losses with moral victories. Congratulations, you've succesfully proven that Verona is terrible at lax, Bayport and Notre Dame are the real powerhouses here...

[DwinsChamps]

I say that we get our MALA all-star team back together and we play a few games vs. BAYVAL all-stars...maybe put a few dollars on it. Hell, we'll even give you guys say, a 10 goal headstart.

[LaxDefndr]

You guys are completely missing the point of what a lot of us are saying. All we are trying to say is that granted we arent as good as you but that doesnt mean that you need to trash talk us and say how bad we are. We're trying and you guys are being really pathetic in the fact that you cant except that. We know we arent as good as you. But as I said before part of being better than us is being good sports about it. Which means not rubbing it in that youre better and telling us how bad we are. Did you ever consider the reason that none of the GB teams want to play is because of how immature and rude you all are? You pretty much tell us that we are a disgrace to the game and that we shouldnt be allowed to play. Maybe if you werent such ****s to us we would want to play you. But when you do all you do is complain that its a waste of time and that we shouldnt be on the same field as you. So maybe you should make up your minds. We play you, you complain. We dont, you complain. Make up your mind and learn what it means to be a real winner. Because believe it or not its not only about the score. Its about so much more. Its about how you play, how you treat your competition, AND the score.

[Butters14]

So because people from green bay started trash talking us, saying our parents were a disgrace, our coaches were a disgrace, and that our players are dirty and trash. We shuld respect you? No, you should be respecting us. We didn't start talking **** until you guys did.

[DwinsChamps]

You guys are completely missing the point of what a lot of us are saying. All we are trying to say is that granted we arent as good as you but that doesnt mean that you need to trash talk us and say how bad we are. We're trying and you guys are being really pathetic in the fact that you cant except that. We know we arent as good as you. But as I said before part of being better than us is being good sports about it. Which means not rubbing it in that youre better and telling us how bad we are. Did you ever consider the reason that none of the GB teams want to play is because of how immature and rude you all are? You pretty much tell us that we are a disgrace to the game and that we shouldnt be allowed to play. Maybe if you werent such ****s to us we would want to play you. But when you do all you do is complain that its a waste of time and that we shouldnt be on the same field as you. So maybe you should make up your minds. We play you, you complain. We dont, you complain. Make up your mind and learn what it means to be a real winner. Because believe it or not its not only about the score. Its about so much more. Its about how you play, how you treat your competition, AND the score.

hmm...i believe that we first talked **** after the schedules were out, meaning Green Bay's only reason for not playing us is that they are afraid of some good teams. In fact, we'd love to play you guys. Lax is lax, although it's especially ****ty in your area, and never once did we say we were too good to play you guys...we've only stated our displeasure with the system that allows two terrible BayVal teams to bump decent MALA teams out of state. Perhaps if you were willing to prove to us that you were worthy of sending two teams to state, and that means playing us, we'd respect you.

[LaxDefndr]

Ok dwinschamps... maybe you havent said it... but others have. And Butters, actually you started trash talking BayVal first. If you would look at your posts alone from 6/27... at 4:30, 6:53, & most importantly at 7:28 I think yould realise that.

[Butters14]

My hatred of green bay didnt start on this forum, it started from last year at brewtown, and this year on our own forums where some appleton girl started talking trash to me. I apologize for spreading it to this forum but those people (green bay allstar team of last year, and that appleton *****) have made me hate green bay lacrosse.

[GBlacrosse]

i have a question to both the god's of lacrosse butters14 and Dwinschamps, what makes you think wausau and appleton are so good?? i haven't seen anything good about wausau and to be precise, bay port did beat appleton once this year. and i really don't understand how you guys have a leg to stand on this arguement that you continue to bring up yourselves. first off yes you are better then all the gb teams...good for you. now you can go home and be proud of yourselves. none of the teams up here are reagreeing with that. but seriously to say that we are not suppose to be playing lacrosse is a joke. come on guys. i agree with laxdefender because he is not attacking you and just defending the fact that we have a right to be on that field. i don't think you can actually deny that.

[GBlacrosse]

butters what did the gb all stars do to you?? and you little explaination doesn't even work out of how your defense was you attack and visa versa be becasue we were ahead for awhile and at that time good coaching would have switched it back to normal. so you can't use that as an all mighty crutch

[blondielaxgirl]

i cant believe that you guys have been *****ing about this for days. so what if gb teams arent as good as the ones in madison. although i do agree that if they arent up to par with the rest of the teams in the state, it kind of sucks that they are sending 2 teams to state. maybe next season you can actually settle your stupid fight and just play eachother.

[LaxDefndr]

What did the Appleton girl say that mad you so mad?

[Butters14]

those green bay all stars were a disgrace. they started two fights, they *****ed about everything b/c they thought if they put together an allstar team they could beat us. They talked **** about our players our coaches and our parents, it was a ****ing insult to hear them insult me when I didnt even play that game (I was terrible at defense and found my place this year in goal). About the defense on offence and w/e, we took that tournament very lightly, its a fun tournament for us. We playe dprobably 5 different people in goal that tournament. We're not using it as a crutch we didn't care about that game, we played to have fun. The green bay players who were picking fights with us ruined that fun. I'm not saying ALL green bay players are like that, or even all of that particular team. The fact of the matter though is that there were players who ruined the fun of the tournament. It's because of that, that I know have a bad representation of green bay lacrosse.

[Butters14]

She came on to our website, veronalacrosse.com if you care to see it, and came on our forums, and started talking trash to me and other verona players. That isnt up there anymore b/c our admin deleted that topic and her user id i believe because he didnt want us talking back. It's insulting for her to come and talk trash on OUR forums that we put time and money in to creating. Another reason i now have a bad representation of green bay. I know its probably just her, but because of her i have a bad rep of you guys.

[GBlacrosse]

sir sir sir i was out on that field the whole game and i believe it was both teams doing it and espically the man behind our goal...that was fun to hear him every fricken time you guys were on offense. so just realize that your guys were taking that game serious and were talkin **** too. you are not the victims here. o and by the way i think the reason we all play lacrosse is becuase it is fun

[Butters14]

No he was not talking trash. He was backing up balls. He never said a single thing to your team. He may have complained about the reffing, but lets be honest have you ever been to a game without someone complaining about the reffing? Anythign you thought you heard him say to you're team you were mistaken.

[GBlacrosse]

no actually we weren't mistaken, you weren't even on the field how would you know. we talked to the ref and had him removed from back there. if he was shagging balls why didn't he do it on the same end every quarter...but no he followed us (defense) to where ever our goal was.

[Butters14]

because his son plays attack. We could hear what he was saying from the bench thats why we were pissed when you talked to the ref. It was a pathetic display of desperation hoping to upset us enough to where you might have a chance to get back in the game. If you weren't thickheaded youd realize theres more to it than what you think you know, two sides to every story

[GBlacrosse]

it is funny how you say that it was a desperate attempt to get back into the game when really we were in the game the whole time. 6-4 that seems like a close game to me. and we were ahead too. what do you know. i mean come on, just because you won, you can't deny us the fact that we fought hard and it was a tough game for you guys (wait you didn't play...my bad for your team it was a tough game then)

[Butters14]

funny how you mention not playing, b/c this season we went 17-1 with me playing goalie. Every one of those games i played and we only lost one and it was by one goal. Also we won a state championship, wait you didnt even get to play in the state tournament...my bad for your season, it must have been a tough one

[GBlacrosse]

funny how you think not scoreing is all acredited to you as the goalie and nothing to your defense or the offense that probably kept the ball away from you half the time. funny how the goalie is nothin without a solid defense or offense...so lets pick your arguements alittle better buddy.

[Butters14]

i picked my argument fine, i did what i had to do for my team to win state, you apparently were subpar on your duties as a player. I also never said my team didnt help me out, you had to make **** up b/c you cant beat that, actually green bay teams cant beat much of anything...

[GBlacrosse]

it is funny a little **** like you (yes i have seen your size) and one that sits in a ****ing goal and does nothin can talk that **** over the internet. but hey if that gets you through the day and makes you feel like a man that is fine. but serious. i would love to see you out on the field (not in the goal) or any of you little madison people. it would be fun becuase yes you all have good stick skills but your hits are ... "subpar" as you like to call it

[GBlacrosse]

like i said before u guess play like bball and we play like football.

[Butters14]

You guys don't hit hard at all. If you came down here and played a team like waunakee, you'd go home crying from their defense. If our defense actually tried to hit rather than take away the ball, because yes that is the point of the game, you know to obtain the ball and score. I also love to see how you remark about my size. Now idk what those asteriks are covering, but if you're calling me a lil ****, you're mistaken because i'm probably the biggest kid on our team. And i believe i had an 80% save percentage this season, although i'm sure thats doing absolutely nothing. Thats similar to our scoring percentage on green bay teams this year. Now i have a life so i have to be going, you enjoy sitting on here and most likely masterbating because you couldnt get any anyways

[DwinsChamps]

Here's the deal folks, as a 3 year starting defensemen and a 5 year player for Verona, i've seen all that Butter's has to offer. We wouldn't have been the team we are without him. And GBlacrosse, it's funny that you say we "can't hit", considering our defense is compiled of a starting guard, and starting inside linebacker, and a starting strong safety from our state quarterfinalist football team. Our middies include linebackers and cornerbacks, running backs and freesafeties....not a single basketball player. In fact, the difference between green bay lax and madison lacrosse is that we don't need to hit kids to make ourselves feel good, we do that with our speed and our stick skills.

P.S. Don't even pretend like it was a real game between us and that "all-star" team of yours. Your halftime including a spine-tingling pep talk that pumped your team up...ours was a discussion about our coach's girlfriend and the evening's dinner possibilities. If we had bothered to field a real team and pretended to care, it would have been a blowout....although you may not admit it, you know i'm right. Ha, and i was on the field the entire game, albeit playing attack for half, and i never once broke a sweat...

[USMlax]

You guys don't hit hard at all. If you came down here and played a team like waunakee, you'd go home crying from their defense. If our defense actually tried to hit rather than take away the ball, because yes that is the point of the game, you know to obtain the ball and score. I also love to see how you remark about my size. Now idk what those asteriks are covering, but if you're calling me a lil ****, you're mistaken because i'm probably the biggest kid on our team. And i believe i had an 80% save percentage this season, although i'm sure thats doing absolutely nothing. Thats similar to our scoring percentage on green bay teams this year. Now i have a life so i have to be going, you enjoy sitting on here and most likely masterbating because you couldnt get any anyways

EVERYONE CHILL OUT!

I can sympathize with both parties on this one, yet I'm still really disapponted in both Butters and Dwinschamps attitudes on the forum. Granted all of MALA is far superior to any onther teams in this state (except maybe Marquette...), you guys need to show more class in your postgame approach. Verona handed the Milwaukee "All-Star" team an *** raping and showed favorable sportsmanship in our game, but it seems that the reputation they now have is due to only a small handful of players. Butters, you had a great season, but you need to stop patting yourself on the back. I did manage to get a hat trick on you even though I played one of my worst games ever. Contrary to popular belief, your not invincible. Wait until next year when LP, Storts, Bice and Schnirring are gone (others too...) before you start more beefs. Wisconsin lacrosse is in it's infant stages and bashing certain areas that may or may not be lagging skillwise is a poor approach to take if we want the sport to flourish. Rivalries are great, but outright disgust and vulgarity is not. Let's take a step back and take a different perspective please...

[Butters14]

USM lax not to insult you or anything, but that was with our attackmen playing defense... the only goal i allowed with our real defense was from that kid with the red helmet (no idea who he is or what school he goes to)

[Butters14]

And i only patted myself on the back when I was told that i was worthless and did nothing, you'd do the same thing in my situation.

[LaXchiCk07]

oh my god guys...i think both of you should breathe or something because your all making this a bigger deal than it is. i know i let my mouth run before, but seriously enough is enough. at the top is says "wisconsin- no haters" yeah...i definatly don't think we're following that. but if butters did good at a game, let him get his glory in...it only lasts for a while, just don't be an ******* about it. everyones got a ****y mouth just cause thats how lacrosse players are, we all want to get the last word in to win the argument...so yeah...maybe everyone should just take a deep breath and do some yoga or something.

[bplaxg33]

Butters14 and dwinschamps you say you are so good but I question you this. who would be betterb in a shootout, the NDA goalie or the fool (Butters14) who sound like the biggest fool ever. Oh D wins Championships what good is D without a GOALIE, middies and Attackmen and you say you played attack and you didn't break a sweat I guess you didn't chase any wide shots to the line, you probably didn't even cut infront of the net once. Do you have any hockey players on your team? (i know verona hockey sucks)

[bplaxg33]

Butters14 and dwinschamps you say you are so good but I question you this. who would be better in a shootout, the NDA goalie or the fool (Butters14) who sound like the biggest fool ever. Oh D wins Championships what good is D without a GOALIE, middies and Attackmen and you say you played attack and you didn't break a sweat I guess you didn't chase any wide shots to the line, you probably didn't even cut infront of the net once. Do you have any hockey players on your team? (i know verona hockey sucks)

[Butters14]

You mean the notre dame goalie who as torn apart by oregon? Also known as the second to last team in madison, yeah thought so. And I believe verona hockey was like 19-3 this year, and before we choked in playoffs destroyed the state runner up Arrowhead 3-0. And when he said he didnt break a sweat, he probably meant that all the shots were going in, you honestly have no logic because y