2 Point Goals

[RockfordAttack9]

Do you guys think that 2 point goals have made the MLL better? Or do you think that it has made it worse?

[TRELAX]

better, it gives an offense more depth, like when 3 point shots were added to bball

[OutBurst]

Better. If anyone scores a goal that far out then the excitement builds beyond belief.

[Faceoff_King]

definately better
if you see someone shoot from that far out...HOOSYER DADDY!!!
sorry

[cannonslax624]

I agree, and with the combination of a shot clock and 2pt shot, it means that no team is ever OUT of a game, which clearly adds to the excitement...

[regulate34]

how far out do u have to be for it to count as a 2 point goal?

[laxpro]

how far out do u have to be for it to count as a 2 point goal? i think 15 yards

[GBaschski]

I really don't like the idea...but, as long as it stays in the MLL, I'm fine with it.
If they put that crap in high school and youth lacrosse...well, I'm a screamer.

[OutBurst]

I would love to see a 2-point arc in HS lacrosse mainly because I am a goalie and like those shots.

[Marzola]

yeah, but then in HS you get a bunch of people going for glory taking lousy shots from out there that either always go wide or are saved. defenders don't like it when the attack/middies throw away the ball like that after a good clear. I kind of like the game with out the 2 point arch.

[wayzatalax2008]

yup 15 yards

[GCHSLax04]

I'm not a fan of it. I really think it ruins some of the intensity of the game, since I as a longpole gaurd down low, and when theres all of 5 seconds left in a game, we're up by 1 and someone cranked a shot from out there and scored two points, I'd go literally insane and destroy the middie who was gaurding him. It's purely for show in my opinion.

[regulate34]

15 yrds
what is that the restraint lines?

[Hockeylax37]

i think it makes it better, if a team can set up a play and get a goal from out there they deserve the two points. Also it makes the game more exciting. If a team is down by two and they suddenly get a 2 point goal, it puts them right back in it. But i wouldn't like it if it was put into effect in anything lower than NCAA, there would be too many idiots who think they can shoot and try to crank it from the 2 point arch and completely miss. I think its good for the MLL though, it mixes the game up a bit.

[thunder_15]

in western australia we had this off season league sorta thing called WALL where 2 points were given if u scored around the back or back breaker or something like that. i would be good an off season sorta thing but not proper competitions cause then people would try do it too much. i agree with the point that in high school it shouldnt be cause then u mite get some young guys doing it to often.

[RockStar]

2-point goal is pretty dumb. Its especially dumb since scoring from 15 yards out really isn't that big a deal.

(Pro snipers can regularly pick corners on a box goal from that distance if no defender is in their face)

[syracuselax3]

Is there somethiing like that college?

[Mavido]

No .

[Snake~eyes]

15 yrds
what is that the restraint lines?
No, the restraining line is 20 yards from the goal.

I don't like the 2 point shot, that and the shot clock. I think it ruined how the game is suppose to be played. But thats just me.

[cannonslax624]

Is that because its DIFFERENT? and its not the SAME as HS and College rules? Is that why its BAD or WORSE? Because its different?! The MLL seemingly has put in this rule to attract a nonlacrosse fan base who can get into the game...Lacrosse fans all over may be able to appreciate the slowerpaced college games, but non lacrosse fans probably think its about as exciting as soccer, which is not very, if they don't watch and like the sport...So as a result, the MLL gains non-fans with this more fast paced game...Who all eventually BECOME lacrosse fans, who can now appreciate college and NLL and HS and the such...Isn't that GOOD for the sport overall?

[Tony]

Is that because its DIFFERENT? and its not the SAME as HS and College rules? Is that why its BAD or WORSE? Because its different?! The MLL seemingly has put in this rule to attract a nonlacrosse fan base who can get into the game...Lacrosse fans all over may be able to appreciate the slowerpaced college games, but non lacrosse fans probably think its about as exciting as soccer, which is not very, if they don't watch and like the sport...So as a result, the MLL gains non-fans with this more fast paced game...Who all eventually BECOME lacrosse fans, who can now appreciate college and NLL and HS and the such...Isn't that GOOD for the sport overall?

very good point, i've never looked at it like that

and for the two point arc, i don't really mind it at all, you deserve the two points if you can make it, since the shots are mostly very easy for the goalie, i don't think that it ruined the game, just enhanced it by adding another challenge for the offense

[cannonslax624]

It really did help in making me a true lacrosse fan, now I can appreciate college, NLL, high school, and MLL...SO by finding out about the Cannons, I now know all about college lax also...Don't we want this sport to grow to no end? In one way if you look at it, the MLL is doing the sport a favor, by gaining attention first to themselves and then to the sport as a whole...

[RockStar]

.....you deserve the two points if you can make it, since the shots are mostly very easy for the goalie, i don't think that it ruined the game, just enhanced it by adding another challenge for the offense


It didn't ruin the game, but I still don't think 15 yards is a big enough deal to be worth twice as much as a closer goal.

There are tonnes of shooters (Regan and Shannon for two) that can feast on 2-pointers.

Hell, wait until John Grant Junior comes back. He'll score 20 or so a season on a box goal from about 15 yards out. Give him a 6x6 net, and he'll mark a shipload of deuces this summer.

[shiftylax]

I actually played in a test league a few years ago for the two point line in Massachusetts. It was a lot of fun. It's quite challenging to score from that far out, why not give 2 points for it? I think it should stay in the MLL, it really would ruin the college and ESPECIALLY the high school game. Too many kids think they're snipers and they're just shooting meatballs at the goalie from that far out. I'd thnk goalies would be all for that shot though. Your save % would go waaayyyy up. A 2 point shot line would be great if it only came into play in the last 2 minutes of a half or somehting though. Make things interesting. But not as interesting as a shot clock...

[cannonslax624]

Feast on 2 pt Goals? They play 12 games in the MLL, and the leading 2pt goal scorer was Colsey with 6...Regan had only 5, which was down from last year...With a high scorer of six, I would say that shooting from 15 yards out and scoring is easier said than done, apparently...How can you explain that? 6 2pters was the high scorer, obviously its not that easy, or people would be doing it more, wouldnt they?

[RockStar]

^^I didn't look at the stats. I was largely basing my thoughts on one or two games where there were a bunch, and the fact that NLL shooters can do it from that far out with reasonable percentage.

I stand by my not thinking it's all that big a deal to score from 15 yards out. My guess is that they're just no trying as many shots as they could.

I wonder how the odds get affected:

Guess scoring percentage on closer shots is about 40% to 50%. I'm going to guess that shooting from 15 yards might reduce efficiencty to between 20 to 30%. Might look terrible, but considering you get twice as much in return, it might be almost a wash in terms of value.

Anyone have real stats for 1 and 2 point goals made vs. shots attempted?

The other thing is that the MLL coaches have only had three years to try and figure out what to in terms of setting up and executing 2 point plays. I'm going to guess that the number gradually increases over the next few years.

A smart coach will eventually cook up a system to really use the 2-point line. Having a system in place could be hugely beneficial when you're trying to come back into a game from behind. Also, if used sparingly through a game, it could be used to maximize total goal output as even botched 2-pointers might lead to ugly 1-pointers.

As soon as the ball goes to an open and moving middie for the outside shot, the X man can break for the endline in case of a missed shot. If the X-man plays it right, you wouldn't even lose anything by missing the net.

As soon as the shot's let loose, one of the crease guys can get right in the goalie's face looking for a rebound.

You could even borrow a bit of strategy from ice hockey and get the creasemen to create a bit of traffic in front of the net to block the goalie's view of the shooter.

[Britattack]

who ever said soccer is boring is an idiot, for a country that thrives on inventing boring spectator sports (American football, Baseball) its pretty rich.

soccer is undebatably the best spectator sport worldwide hence the reason why it is the national sport of 5.7 billion people. guess which 300 mill that doesn't include.

I love playing lax but i also love football (soccer), the only reason why its not popular in America is cos games don't end 15-12, and the rest of the world would object to its americanisation.

Any way rant over. soccer rules, as does lax.

[Britattack]

your not an idiot, as i can see what you meant! my blood was up! as you did say "if you don't understand it", but i do hate people who criticise the sport for not being interesting enough for an american audience

[jmplax31]

both off topic and flaming. Britattack calm down. Lets bring this back on topic.

[cannonslax624]

I agree, I love soccer, that IS why I put in if they dont understand it...anyways, no hard feelings...The MLL website keeps track of shots in general, not two point shots taken or 1 pters taken...So overall, I guess its different...I think by now some coach should have come up with a good strategy for two pointers, it should already be established by now, shouldn't it? Isnt three years enough time?

[xSURFERx]

the 2 point line for mll is a good idea, more excitment....but if its gets to high school then it wouldnt b good cause in high school kids like to think there amazing an would do nothing but shoot from out there

[RockStar]

....it should already be established by now, shouldn't it? Isnt three years enough time?

Well, considering it took smart coaches 90 years to ruin pro ice hockey, maybe 3 years isn't quite enough!

We'll see.

[RockStar]

accidental double post, deleted.

[cannonslax624]

Then why did they go down this year?

[MontclairLax]

Although im a 7th grader and my lacrosse strategy might not be very good but here is a something. Take advantage of the short sticks. Get the quickest middie dodge him up top and if the slide comes fast enough and the d closes in on him that middie throws it back up top at the 2-point line to the best shooter. He then rips it. Sort of like a throw back. It could work especially because of the lack of long stick middies in the MLL.

[AXL]

Someone else brought this up, but i'll twist it a little. Would you prefer basketball without the three point arch?

I think i would. There would be less shooting from far out and more man to man action, more cutting and more quick passing. more exiting to play and watch if you ask me.

[WaterboyH20]

Hey kenny, and yea i agree with outburst

[spartacus9]

we had a 2 point line in our leagues all star game, but no shot clock.i hit the post when i tried.

[decker87]

It gives the game more depth, no one can argue that.

I like it, I think it will make games much more competitive, and create players better suited for different tasks. Then again, I dont want it to become like basketball, where you have 3 point shooters and inside guys...

[Sesor]

Do they have a line there?

[lacrosse_player]

I like it. It changes the gaame more to like basketball, with it close up to the end. Without it, 30 seconds left, down by 2 it is over. With the two point shot, everyone will get all excited because any out of place goalie can ruin the game.

[Hookem]

yep, like said above it makes the game more exciting also