penalty time rule 7.2

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need opinions on penalty time administration.

Team A is out of the game on a one-minute slashing foul. Twenty seconds into the team A foul, Team B commits a time-serving tech. foul. Is the time(30 secs) of both players considered to be non-releasable for the 30 secs. Or, if team A scores, does the etack foul release and team B again goes a man down.

[LaxRef]

need opinions on penalty time administration.

Team A is out of the game on a one-minute slashing foul. Twenty seconds into the team A foul, Team B commits a time-serving tech. foul. Is the time(30 secs) of both players considered to be non-releasable for the 30 secs. Or, if team A scores, does the etack foul release and team B again goes a man down.


Both fouls are releasable. These are not simultaneous fouls, nor did these fouls occur between the time the first flag dropped and the time the whistle blew to restart play.

Put another way, there is nothing that can take penalty time that started out as releasable and make it NR once the time starts ticking on the penalty. (The only "sort of" exception is if the player in the box gets a NR penalty while in the box, but then that NR time would just be served before the penalty he is already serving is completed; it still doesn't change the releasable time to NR.

[CoachRob]

Greg,
Since the foul by B1 is already being served, and play has resumed (the critical component), we are no longer under 7-2 and certainly not under 7-6. So, the releasable time cannot be converted to NR time. B1's time remains releasable by a goal by team A.

The only exception is as LaxRef pointed out; that is accruing a NR penalty on top of a releasable penalty. But that doesn't convert the releasable to NR. It only bumps it back behind the NR penalty, which must be served first according to 7-2.5.

I'm confused why you would ask if a goal by team A would put team B a man down again? This would release B1, so if anything, team A would be a man down (assuming they had a player in the box at the time of their goal). Am I missing something in the question? (Since you said "stack" foul, are you referring to NCAA rules, where stacking is used? I thought that only occurred after three players of one team were penalized which is not the case here. But I don't do NCAA as you know.)

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Rob,

just a little discussion i had. I can honestly say that as i was sure of the administration of this situation, i have never read 7.2.d fully. left me with a little question. not something i have ever seen in the college game. only a few times in high school. usually at the end of close games when a team is man up and loses possesion.

[CoachRob]

NFHS 7-2.4 is, to me, a mixture of 7-6 with a little mumbo-jumbo sprinkled in. While I hate 7-6, part of the reason is that it seems to overlap significantly with 7-2.

I think they should abandon one or the other. But that's just me.

[LaxRef]

But that's just me.

No, it's not.

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i cannot, for the life of me, figure out why rule 7 is written the way it is. all in all it is easy to understand. it just seems they do their best to inhibit that. Rob, as you witnessed in class, it is not that easy to teach as it is written.

[CoachRob]

i cannot, for the life of me, figure out why rule 7 is written the way it is. all in all it is easy to understand. it just seems they do their best to inhibit that. Rob, as you witnessed in class, it is not that easy to teach as it is written.

No, it's imPOSSible. It makes no sense to have these as separate, and it makes 7-6 more confusing by some strange twist of logic.

For instance, they don't define "common" time. They use the words "shorter" and "lesser" time. So under 7-2.4, if A1 has 30 seconds, A2 has 1 minute, and B1 has 2 minutes, A1 is locked in for 30, A2 for 60 and B1 ALSO for 60. If you went by the "lesser" time as defined in 7-2, they would all be locked in for the first 30 seconds only.

What is unfair IMO is that B1, the guy serving 2 minutes and who probably committed the worst offense of the three players, gets locked in for the same amount of time as A2, and is releasable during his final 60 seconds. So, the saying "You do the time if you do the crime" ain't necessarily true (at least not in lax). How nuts is THAT??