head question

[jgattack31]

i had a blade, of course the top scoop part cracked in half....i decided to play around with it...i ended up supergluing the crack then taping it over 1 layer with electrical tape then to keep the top strung right i used a tie wrap. is this legal?

[laxersk8erguy8]

did the same thing to my first stick, the patriot. I had it for 3 years, which is way to much for that stick, and it was cracked in not one but 3 places. I taped all the cracks and played the last 3 games of the season. If I had taken a faceoff, it probably would have shattered into a million pieces.

[thefeeder]

I understand you guys may have emotional bonds to your lacrosse sticks but playing with a broken crosse is illegal.

[LaxRef]

I understand you guys may have emotional bonds to your lacrosse sticks but playing with a broken crosse is illegal.

Agreed. However, the rules aren't entirely clear about whether a broken crosse can be repaired. I tend to come down on the "no" side.

Incidentally, playing with a broken crosse is illegal procedure, a technical, which is at most 30 seconds and releasable. It is not a 3:00 NR penalty, which it is sometimes called incorrectly.

[laxfan25]

I don't see why a repaired stick would still be considered a broken crosse? Once fixed, it's no longer broken! That said, my experience with repairs is that they don't last very long. Better have a stick in reserve.

[shrekjr]

I don't see why a repaired stick would still be considered a broken crosse? Once fixed, it's no longer broken! That said, my experience with repairs is that they don't last very long. Better have a stick in reserve.
I don't see a broken stick that has been glued and covered in tape as "repaired". I see it as a broken stick that has been altered and is not in the same condition as originally manufactured, therefore, possibly making it easier to play with, but still broken and illegal.

Having said that, it is just my personal opinion and not anything you will find in the rulebook.

[laxfan25]

I don't see a broken stick that has been glued and covered in tape as "repaired". I see it as a broken stick that has been altered and is not in the same condition as originally manufactured, therefore, possibly making it easier to play with, but still broken and illegal.

Having said that, it is just my personal opinion and not anything you will find in the rulebook.
Again, if its repaired, I wouldn't call it broken. Otherwise we're all wasting a lot of money on our cars at the mechanics! I think its a disadvantage to paly with such a stick, but some people get very attached to their instrument. It still has to pass the tests for illegal altering, i.e. dimensions and ball coming out. Other than that, let 'em play - it's likely not going to make it through the first hard scoop.

[shrekjr]

Again, if its repaired, I wouldn't call it broken. Otherwise we're all wasting a lot of money on our cars at the mechanics! I think its a disadvantage to paly with such a stick, but some people get very attached to their instrument. It still has to pass the tests for illegal altering, i.e. dimensions and ball coming out. Other than that, let 'em play - it's likely not going to make it through the first hard scoop.
And when the glue breaks on that first hard scoop and the tape doesn't hold and the once again broken stick puts a gash in another player's leg, I guess the stick can be reglued and retaped and called legal again? I've seen it happen, granted only once, but it happened. It is still a broken stick to me and a potential danger. Why take a chance?

I admit the written rule is extremely vague and that in itself is a problem. But we don't allow altered pads, gloves without palms, or mouthpieces that don't cover all the teeth. Why allow a stick that is less than whole and a potential problem.

After a couple of discussions here, looks like laxfan25 and I may have some colorful conversations. So far, we seem to be on opposite sides of interpretations. I look forward to occasional opposite viewpoints. :guns:

[laxfan25]

I admit the written rule is extremely vague and that in itself is a problem. But we don't allow altered pads, gloves without palms, or mouthpieces that don't cover all the teeth.
Along the same line as repairing the stick, if a player had gloves with palms that had worn out and had new leather sewn in, they'd be legal, wouldn't they? Granted, the repaired stick MAY break again, but I wouldn't take it out until it broke. I think we're presuming guilt.
Just my opinion, and I too look forward to the banter back and forth!

[LaxRef]

Along the same line as repairing the stick, if a player had gloves with palms that had worn out and had new leather sewn in, they'd be legal, wouldn't they?

But isn't the prhobition against using gloves with no palms, not broken gloves?

Granted, the repaired stick MAY break again, but I wouldn't take it out until it broke.

Safety first. If that stick is more likely to break again, it shouldn't be in there. And are we qualifies to certify that the stick is good as new? Are you sure there isn't a little piece of sharp plastic sticking out somewhere from a poor repair? Did they use some hazardous material in the repair? Is the "repair" actually an alteration designed to gain an advantage?


I think we're presuming guilt.
Just my opinion, and I too look forward to the banter back and forth!

[laxfan25]

But isn't the prhobition against using gloves with no palms, not broken gloves?
Safety first. If that stick is more likely to break again, it shouldn't be in there. And are we qualifies to certify that the stick is good as new? Are you sure there isn't a little piece of sharp plastic sticking out somewhere from a poor repair? Did they use some hazardous material in the repair? Is the "repair" actually an alteration designed to gain an advantage?
I guess I would consider gloves with no palms "broken". If I was to check a stick that had been repaired I would examine it closely to see if there is any sharp plastic sticking out, would probably give it some flexes to see that it is holding, and would do the standard pocket and stick checks to make sure it's not gaining an advantage. If it passes my inspection, I would probably allow it in my games. It's not something that I've seen very often.
I agree Safety first, but I think more harm is committed with the shaft than the head. They also shouldn't run with scissors.

[shrekjr]

They also shouldn't run with scissors.
No scissors are okay so they can cut the strings that are too long, or the mouthpieces that are uncomfortable. :grin:

[laxfan25]

No scissors are okay so they can cut the strings that are too long, or the mouthpieces that are uncomfortable. :grin:
Shrekkie, it's nice to extend these discussions over from the USLIA.com site. I've only been on here a few days, and haven't even delved into the archives of 8 pages of threads. I'm sure some of the current topics have been beat to death previously, which always gets LaxRef's blood pressure boiling. :bye:
It's amazing to me how convoluted some of the discussions become - for example, the recent one on Play On. It doesn't have to be that complex,and there are probably other serious infractions occurring while you're debating with yourself on whether it's simultaneous fouls or not. If we get a group of these equivocating officials together we can have a mass-debate!
I hope we have the opportunity to work a game together sometime. I can see it now, the coaches saying - "Can we please get the game started?" as we argue over a repaired stick! :drool:

[LaxRef]

Shrekkie, it's nice to extend these discussions over from the USLIA.com site. I've only been on here a few days, and haven't even delved into the archives of 8 pages of threads. I'm sure some of the current topics have been beat to death previously, which always gets LaxRef's blood pressure boiling.

I try to be patient about this sort of thing, but I do appreciate people who use the "search" function! And I expect to see some of those older threads pop back up to the top as you read through all of the old threads and put in your 2 cents!

It's amazing to me how convoluted some of the discussions become - for example, the recent one on Play On. It doesn't have to be that complex,and there are probably other serious infractions occurring while you're debating with yourself on whether it's simultaneous fouls or not. If we get a group of these equivocating officials together we can have a mass-debate!

To me, that's part of the value of this forum: you get used to sorting these things out, so when they come up you aren't trying to figure out "Are these simul fouls?" You just know what to do because you've thought it out before.

[shrekjr]

I hope we have the opportunity to work a game together sometime. I can see it now, the coaches saying - "Can we please get the game started?" as we argue over a repaired stick! :drool:
That could be fun. Can you just imagine the pregame stick checks? We could be there all night! :argue: