Three-man mechanics, goal scored

[LaxRef]

The play is behind the goal, and the lead drops back about 10 yards behind the goal to cover the contested play. As center, I dropped down to the goal line. A pass and quick shot resulted in a goal, with both of us in the same position. Whose whistle, and whose goal signal?

[rilax]

The play is behind the goal, and the lead drops back about 10 yards behind the goal to cover the contested play. As center, I dropped down to the goal line. A pass and quick shot resulted in a goal, with both of us in the same position. Whose whistle, and whose goal signal?
Well what is it is the lead 10 yards back or at the goal line (when you say you are both at the same position make it sound like the lead got back to GLE). From what I understand it is the Leads call unless he is further off of GLE the Center official. Could be wrong though.

[laxfan25]

I assume by same position you mean Lead 10 yds behind on an endline contested situation, and the Center correctly dropping down to the goal line. In that case, I would call the Center the Goal Judge, even though he is not the Lead. He has taken over that responsibility until the Lead is back and in position, at which time he might indicate to his partner that he has it. It's not a lot different than the Center covering on a face-off that is coming toward the lead. Center covers until the Lead calls him off. Good communication and teamwork is key, as always.

[LaxRef]

Well what is it is the lead 10 yards back or at the goal line (when you say you are both at the same position make it sound like the lead got back to GLE). From what I understand it is the Leads call unless he is further off of GLE the Center official. Could be wrong though.

When I said "same position," I meant that we hadn't moved in the second or so it took for the quick pass and shot. I (center) was still on the goal line, and the lead was still about 5 yards from the endline.

[gfink]

If it was your cage, it would be your(center) whistle and goal signal. Most crews i ever worked with, we would communicate back and forth "my cage", "my goal", whatever you decided in pregame. Say the lead was moving back up and has yet to release the single side from the cage, two whistles are better than none on a goal. when i run single side i will ususally blow the whistle and try to make eye contact before making the signal in this situation.

[Snake~eyes]

Center's goal, I believe this is in the mechanics manual, when the lead has to move away from the goal for whatever reason (covering endline ect), then the it becomes the Center's goal. As gfink stated, communication is good. And this should also be talked about in the pregame.

[shrekjr]

I agree, in that situation, Center has the whistle and signal....as long as he previously informed Lead he was taking the goal and the Lead had not taken it back yet.

Personal opinion....I don't care what they do on TV in the championship game, one whistle and one signal is plenty! No need for two officials to be doing the same thing. I'd rather have the second "off" official watching the players away from the goal, particularly protecting the shooter.

[Snake~eyes]

Personal opinion....I don't care what they do on TV in the championship game, one whistle and one signal is plenty! No need for two officials to be doing the same thing. I'd rather have the second "off" official watching the players away from the goal, particularly protecting the shooter.
Couldn't agree with you more..

[gfink]

I have no idea where that mechanic for both single and lead signaling comes from. It must be before my time. I watched a number of game on tv from New York and it seems to be more prevalant in that area.

[shrekjr]

I have no idea where that mechanic for both single and lead signaling comes from. It must be before my time. I watched a number of game on tv from New York and it seems to be more prevalant in that area.
I've been told numerous times it really is a regional thing, which would make sense if they are being trained that way. My question is why does the rest of the country seem to understand and use the mechanics manual only to have it done differently by a small majority, and apparently approved by those assigning the big games? If that is the way the big boys want it done, then why don't they put it in the manual so the rest of us do it too?

EME - any insight on this?

[gfink]

I know that in our district we have some little things that are done differently than what the mechanics manual would have you do. Nothing major. But when the assignor is the evaluator, he's the boss. I don't think anyone is making radical changes at the local/regional level.

[shrekjr]

I know the last 2 years when I've seen the Final Four games, both the lead and the center will signal the goal more often than not.

[rilax]

I know that in our district we have some little things that are done differently than what the mechanics manual would have you do. Nothing major. But when the assignor is the evaluator, he's the boss. I don't think anyone is making radical changes at the local/regional level.
There is a fare amount of variance between the districts on this. It seems that the district I live in is mostly L only on the goals but not doing college games I don’t know 100% and could be wrong. Don’t know which districts do what exactly but I would stick with doing it the way the assigner wants it to be done.

[LaxRef]

Personally, I don't think the assignor should go overriding the mechanics manual willy-nilly, but that's just me.

[Snake~eyes]

LaxRef, I just checked the mechanics manual and its in there. It says when the Lead is pushed off the goal it is the Center's goal. Check it out. ;)

[LaxRef]

LaxRef, I just checked the mechanics manual and its in there. It says when the Lead is pushed off the goal it is the Center's goal. Check it out. ;)


That sounds reasonable. I wasn't questioning that with my last post, I was questioning the "lead and center both signalling" mechanic, which is counter to the mechanics manual.

[ploaref]

Well, when the SOC gets up and running, my hope is that we can FIND all the Assignors out there and start to get them on the same page on stuff like this. Although this is not a great example of it, it is inconsistencies in both mechanics and judgments that drive coaches, players and fans crazy.

Like, this past weekend, i watched a league championship final that went into the mercy rule right at halftime. The referee informed the benches that the game clock would run, but that penalty time would stop...although i don't agree with that personally, the rulebook requires penalty time to run in a mercy-rule situation...

small stuff, i know, but if it's consistency across the board we desire, then one question is how do we start to move more in that direction? Well, reading this forum for one thing!

[gfink]

The funny thing about that referee is , that referee was me. I really have to plead the fifth on that one. And as many mercy rule games as i have had in the past, i drew a complete blank when posed the question. Go figure.

[LaxRef]

The funny thing about that referee is , that referee was me. I really have to plead the fifth on that one. And as many mercy rule games as i have had in the past, i drew a complete blank when posed the question. Go figure.

We all make mistakes, and you can be pretty confident that this one didn't affect the outcome of the game!

I, too, think it's wrong to not make some kind of adjustment to penalty time, since otherwise it's a license to hack. A minute penalty? We can kill enough time on two dead balls to wipe that out!

Personally, I think there should also be no horns once you get to running time. Otherwise, if I'm leading or killing a penalty, I take the full 20 seconds at every opportunity.

[eme]

If you think someone is "abusing the system" during running-time...you could always go to 2 minuite fouls. No one will complain as the game is out of reach anyway.