Faceoffs Won and Lost

[Ghslongpole14]

All right, for the record, I already seearched. But, all I found were 73 threaads on "Is the Evo Pro a good head..."

I have always wondered about who keeps the stats of the faceoffs. In case any of you remember, Lacrosse Magazine had a huge article on correct stat keeping. They said, if I remember correctly, that in D1 college ball in either 2003 or 2004, the final stats differed greatly. There was a major difference (over 100) in faceoffs won and lost outta all faceoffs taken for the season.

In case you didn't follow that, I have a few questions about faceoff stats:

A.) Does an illegal procedure (kicking the crosse, withholding the ball from play, or anything involving the F/O middies or wingmen) award the win to the other team? Say Zash (DOOK) kicked Peyser's (JHU) stick in the Final on the F/O, would JHU receive the win for the faceoff in the stat book? Or would there be no win or loss recorded? My coach told me that they aren't supposed to count one that happens like that...

B.) Is there ONE SINGLE OFFICIAL stat boy/girl at the games (Div. 1), or do both respective teams go by the stats that their own statistician wrote down? What I'm getting at is: Does the NCAA have ONE official stat keeper at every Div. 1 game, or do both teams report their stats to the NCAA?

C.) Is a F/O win determined by whoever receives the possession call, or whoever picks up the ball first (in case the zebra doesn't call possession)?

Thanks guys, I appreciate it. :thumbsup:

[laxref39]

Who won or lost the face off in the score book is really not our responsibility or somthing we give credence to. It would be listed by the official scorer if that stat was measured.

[Ghslongpole14]

Who won or lost the face off in the score book is really not our responsibility or somthing we give credence to. It would be listed by the official scorer if that stat was measured.

I know ya'll don't give a damn who won it or not, you're just worried about the legality of the procedure itself. However, I figured ya'll knew the rules about stats.

[laxref39]

I know ya'll don't give a damn who won it or not, you're just worried about the legality of the procedure itself. However, I figured ya'll knew the rules about stats.
Our big things on stats are, do they have the goals right and the penalties right. Is the in home first or last in the book and a starter and have they recorded time outs properly. I can't really answer the question as to how that would be recorded!

[LaxRef]

I know ya'll don't give a damn who won it or not, you're just worried about the legality of the procedure itself. However, I figured ya'll knew the rules about stats.

Right on both counts!

Faceoff—The standard of faceoff statistics is to award the faceoff to the faceoff specialist (when his team gains possession of the ball), regardless of whether he actually gained possession himself. A faceoff should be awarded to a team only when it gets a clear offensive or defensive opportunity out of the play.

Note: As stated in Appendix I-h, ground balls should be awarded in faceoff
play.

A.R. 9. A1 faces off for his team. He obtains the ball in the faceoff situation but the ball is immediately checked away. B1 picks up the ground ball and his team maintains possession of the ball. STATISTICAL RULING: Credit faceoff to B1’s team.
A.R. 10. A1 controls the ball on the faceoff, retreats into the defensive half of the field, closely guarded, and throws the ball away. STATISTICAL RULING: If Team B can obtain possession of the ball and keep it, credit Team B with the faceoff. Similarly, if Team A subsequently obtains possession of the ball and keeps it, credit Team A with the faceoff.

A.R. 11. Same situation as A.R. 10, but A1 advances the ball to his offensive half of the field, closely guarded, and throws the ball away. STATISTICAL RULING: Same as A.R. 10.

A.R. 12. The ball goes out of bounds on the faceoff before a team obtains possession of the ball. STATISTICAL RULING: Credit the team that is awarded the ball on the out-of-bounds play with a faceoff. If neither team is awarded the ball out of bounds, delay the crediting of the faceoff until the subsequent reface is concluded.

A.R. 13. Before either team can obtain the faceoff, a player on either team is charged with a foul. STATISTICAL RULING: Credit the offended team with the faceoff, if one team gets the ball. In the case of a double foul, or any other violation requiring a reface of the ball, wait to credit the faceoff until the play is complete.

A.R. 14. A goal is scored near the end of the period. STATISTICAL RULING: If there is no faceoff, no faceoff can be credited statistically. If a faceoff occurs, award the faceoff as judgment allows by determining the possession (or something close to it) when the period ends.

A.R. 15. A period ends in an uneven situation such that there will be no faceoff to start the new period. STATISTICAL RULING: Do not award a faceoff.

A.R. 16. If there should be an extra faceoff for any reason, credit the faceoff according to the preceding rules.

I hope this helps.

Of course, this doesn't tell you what to do if there are simultaneous loose-ball technical fouls and the ball is awarded by AP (which is what we're supposed to do, but no one ever does it).

[Ghslongpole14]

Thanks guys, especially LaxRef.