View Full Version : NFHS Double-horn for clarification
laxfan25
06-09-2005, 10:33 AM
I'm wondering what everyone's experience has been with the new NFHS rule allowing a coach to ask for a double-horn on a dead ball for a rules clarification (not a judgement call). At the convention, many people thought this was going to be terrible, with coaches questioning many calls.
I've done probably 40 HS games this year and have not had it used once. I also didn't think it was going to be that big a deal since it was so specific on what was allowed.
I've had more of the normal sideline comments about "how can you not call that slash!", or "how can you call that a slash!", that I just ignore as always. Coaches seem to be very well behaved this year, haven't had to penalize a HS coach yet.
LaxRef
06-09-2005, 11:04 AM
I've had no challenges. I had one coach who had a rulebook out and was looking to challenge me for allowing a 1:00 warmup for a replacement goalie. I told him not to bother, because he'd lose.
CoachRob, OTOH, challenged a bunch and, I think, won them all, so I guess the rule has some merit when you have a situation in which the coach knows the rules better than the officials. Of course, this never comes up in my games :chuckle:.
rilax
06-09-2005, 11:06 AM
0 for 0 in my games
0 for 2 in stick checks (coaching requests) this year btw (all after the Maryland game)
LaxRef
06-09-2005, 11:11 AM
Oh, I'd say the coaches were at least 5 for 9 in stick checks in games I did, plus 2 for 2 in games I watched. At least 4 of those took goals off the board.
tjslax
06-09-2005, 12:24 PM
Coaches were 0 for 1 in double horn challanges this year in games I did and I did not have a coach request a stick check.
tjslax
06-09-2005, 12:27 PM
Also, I do not feel right now that this is a bad rule as some people have indicated (the double horn challange). I think it is a valuable rule for coaches to have at their disposal. As soon as they all get the rule figured out however, there may be a rash of these challanges, delaying the game and costing their teams' timeouts...in which case I see the rule being removed. For the time being however I like the rule.
In my games the horn has so little juice left that a double blast would kill it for the rest of the game...at which point the home team would be assessed a technical...but then the coach couldn't challenge that rule because his horn is dead....
One coach's challenge and since I wrote the procedure for handling a coach's request (along with Gil and Harold)...naturally I screwed it up. But nobody knew and I'd rather be lucky than good.
Woodenstick
06-09-2005, 01:03 PM
No rulebook challenges in any of my games. But on one occasion when a coach started yapping about the some rule (he was wrong of course) I asked him if he wanted a rules timeout and he said no and shut up.
So maybe the rule can be used affirmatively to shut up coaches?
LaxRef
06-09-2005, 01:30 PM
No rulebook challenges in any of my games. But on one occasion when a coach started yapping about the some rule (he was wrong of course) I asked him if he wanted a rules timeout and he said no and shut up.
So maybe the rule can be used affirmatively to shut up coaches?
That is an excellent application of the rule! We just need to be careful not to bait them into challenging a judgment call.
BTW, welcome aboard!
Snake~eyes
06-09-2005, 02:29 PM
Also, I do not feel right now that this is a bad rule as some people have indicated (the double horn challange). I think it is a valuable rule for coaches to have at their disposal. As soon as they all get the rule figured out however, there may be a rash of these challanges, delaying the game and costing their teams' timeouts...in which case I see the rule being removed. For the time being however I like the rule.
As I've said in the past, the rule has been in football for a while now. Don't expect this rule to just go away. Most coaches are not going to use coaches challenges, unless of course they are 100% sure and coaches being 100% sure on rules........yea....right.
Woodenstick
06-10-2005, 08:33 AM
That is an excellent application of the rule! We just need to be careful not to bait them into challenging a judgment call.
BTW, welcome aboard!
Thanks, I have only been refing one year (a lot of fun) after playing many. Just found this forum, very interesting.
tjslax
06-10-2005, 05:48 PM
I didn't see it anywhere else so...welcome to the forum woodenstick!!!
Laxref_36
06-15-2005, 09:56 PM
I'm wondering what everyone's experience has been with the new NFHS rule allowing a coach to ask for a double-horn on a dead ball for a rules clarification (not a judgement call). At the convention, many people thought this was going to be terrible, with coaches questioning many calls.
I've done probably 40 HS games this year and have not had it used once. I also didn't think it was going to be that big a deal since it was so specific on what was allowed.
I've had more of the normal sideline comments about "how can you not call that slash!", or "how can you call that a slash!", that I just ignore as always. Coaches seem to be very well behaved this year, haven't had to penalize a HS coach yet.
Zero challenges the entire season.