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SenatorLaX30

07-17-2005, 09:13 PM

What would happen if an MLL player wore?used a non-Warrior product? Does anyone know becuase if only a fine then why doesnt powell do it just to show that he hates warrior or wants to be able to use Brine or other copany gear?

SenatorLaX30

07-17-2005, 09:23 PM

man i wish MLL playes got paid more than 500,000 and then they could wear other company stuff and pay the fines

lottaLaX

07-17-2005, 09:26 PM

man i wish MLL playes got paid more than 500,000 and then they could wear other company stuff and pay the fines
You mean 50,000? 500K is a lot.

And the price to be able to use other companies' gear is $100,000 (according to shifty).

TitanLax

07-17-2005, 09:28 PM

Gewas Shindler got caught using an Edge and if I remember right got suspended for a game or two.

it's sad that a guy gets "caught" when he used another head. i hope warrior eases off on this at some point...everyone i know either a)doesn't know that warrior is the sole gear of the MLL and/or b)doesn't know how to distinguish warrior gear or c)they know that it's warrior sponsored and konw that it's not because it's necessarily the best but that it's just what they have to use.
i don't know of anyone who recognizes taht all MLL gear is warrior but doesn't know y. so y does warrior put up this front?

AZReDWiNG

07-17-2005, 09:33 PM

Warrior is the official equipment sponsor of the MLL. Not using Warrior equipment violates any contract one may sign with an MLL team. There are penalties, I'm sure, for using non-Warrior equipment. It may very well mean being fired from the team.

lottaLaX

07-17-2005, 09:37 PM

it's sad that a guy gets "caught" when he used another head. i hope warrior eases off on this at some point...everyone i know either a)doesn't know that warrior is the sole gear of the MLL and/or b)doesn't know how to distinguish warrior gear or c)they know that it's warrior sponsored and konw that it's not because it's necessarily the best but that it's just what they have to use.
i don't know of anyone who recognizes taht all MLL gear is warrior but doesn't know y. so y does warrior put up this front?
The players definitely know, they signed that contract and are not idiots. Maybe when the league grows, it can separate a little from Warrior. But right now, MLL lacrosse is pretty much owned by Warrior.

mclax

07-17-2005, 11:30 PM

dude did you read any of the posts between the first one and yours we went over all that stuff. and first of all warrior is being gready by not letting other companies have any exposure.. its sort of like what michael jordan did to richard hamilton's first two years in the nba because michael jordan was the president or owner of the wizards at the time he got any playing time he wanted thus richard hamilton sat that bench his whole rookie year. the wizards traded him and he ended up being amazing. warrior overshadows other companies but thats only in the mll.

Orange

07-17-2005, 11:52 PM

I honestly don't think the pros care. If you give them a stick, they'll use it, they'll play, and they'll still be good. Plus they're getting the sticks for free, so what's better than that? Warrior products are good, no matter how much you hate their marketing schemes and the fact that they sued people who violated their contracts. Plus, the players wouldn't be playing in that league if it wasn't for Warrior.

On the other hand, I bet a player could get away with using an all siver shaft with no logo on it.

aussielax

07-18-2005, 01:16 AM

well what happened to Peter Inge?, Correct me if i'm wrong but that is an STX hi-wall.

Orange

07-18-2005, 01:29 AM

Didn't Warrior have a version of the high wall too, as did Brine?

aussielax

07-18-2005, 02:06 AM

Didn't Warrior have a version of the high wall too, as did Brine?

They could have but i haven't seen them. But i think that is an stx hi-wall because i know that Peter used a hi-wall at the 2002 worlds in Perth. Aswell as he usualy uses one while playing club ball or for South Australia.

faceitoff

07-18-2005, 08:24 AM

You mean 50,000? 500K is a lot.

And the price to be able to use other companies' gear is $100,000 (according to shifty).

They don't even make 50,000. I got a magazine, and it reads the average is about 13,000.

Also, is it $100,000 a year, or is that for like the rest of your career?

lottaLaX

07-18-2005, 08:30 AM

Not sure if its a season or career.

No. I'm not being sarcastic. That is the fee that I was "quoted" when I heard that Tom Marechek was going to try and use a Proton in the inaugiral season.

From this thread:
http://lacrosseforums.com/showthread.php?t=21367

cannon

07-18-2005, 09:46 PM

from that angle it looks like a hi-wall

but it isnt. i think its a patriot, or something the same shape as a patriot. but it's definatley a warrior stick.

spenny

07-19-2005, 09:43 AM

it does look like a hi-wall, but i'm 99% positive that the hi wall didnt have that ridge in the scoop

roycegracie47

07-19-2005, 09:49 AM

I did some searching and got this from one of the thousand "Why-can't-Mikey-Powell-Use-his-Swerve-in-MLL-I-Hate-You-Warrior" Threads:

I was asked to respond to this by members of my staff. During training camp players are only issued shorts and sweats. We do not issue equipment until the team is selected. Players may use there own sticks, shoes etc. without penalty. During the season players must wear all of the required gear in accordance with MLL rules for the purpose of sponsorhip fullfillment. At the begining of each game the head coach must certify to the ref that all players are in compliance. If the refs catch a player out of compliance therafter, both the player and coach are ejected and suspened for one game.
I hope this anwers your questions... Jay Pivec GM Baltimore Bayhawks

LFLax12

07-19-2005, 09:58 AM

http://www.lacrosseforums.com/showthread.php?t=18347&highlight=warrior+players+mll+heads

http://www.lacrosseforums.com/showthread.php?t=7717&highlight=player+warrior+head+mll

this topic is discussed much,

Mr. Big

07-19-2005, 10:54 AM

I had a problem with Warrior-only, but since they OWN the MLL, I can better understand why they wish to protect THEIR investment in the league. Maybe the others should try starting a league. Six teams from the midwest, south. Oh well, a man can dream.

laxpro

07-19-2005, 06:00 PM

im sure it would be easy to use shoulder pads (under jersey) and shafts (tape them up real well)

dram183

07-19-2005, 08:29 PM

but unless you positively hate the grip on the warrior shafts, shafts don't really matter. There's a warrior equivalent to basically any shaft out there, and durability isn't an issue because they can just get new sticks for free.

RedBird1

07-19-2005, 10:34 PM

Glad the NLL doesnt have that company contract bs

lax12345

07-22-2005, 03:09 PM

Worrior gave the option to brine and stx, to be a part of the MLL when it was starting, but brine and stx thought it a bad investment.

Laxattack05

07-22-2005, 10:45 PM

BRINE DOES HAVE THAT HIGHWALL BUT I DONT THINK WARRIOR DOES

lyonslax98

07-22-2005, 11:52 PM

OK!

EXTRA WORDS!

swordsman

07-24-2005, 11:11 AM

Worrior gave the option to brine and stx, to be a part of the MLL when it was starting, but brine and stx thought it a bad investment.

I think they gave the option to Gait too.

stegmakk

07-25-2005, 02:19 PM

They don't even make 50,000. I got a magazine, and it reads the average is about 13,000.

Also, is it $100,000 a year, or is that for like the rest of your career?
13,000 sounds about right for average...
Top players get 16k

laxtradition001

07-25-2005, 03:52 PM

top players can actually get more than $16,000 but not much more.

lax save man

07-25-2005, 03:54 PM

i wish they could ues STX and brine

laxtradition001

07-25-2005, 03:58 PM

You may be right but back in 2001 through 2003, a lot of the draw guys liked using a non-offset head. warrior made two, and this could be one of them. There are clues to the age of the photo. This is a picture from 2003. That year, the Pride got the Merrill Lynch logo on their uniforms that were on Boston's from 2001 to 2002. Boston got New Balance, since NB is based in Boston. Also, 2003 was the last year of the C-Pro helments that he is wearing. They have had CPX's since 2004.

syracuselax3

07-29-2005, 10:14 AM

do they have to wear warrior socks and stuff too like vapor tek?

gfgoalie28

07-29-2005, 11:10 AM

Why does it matter to everyone? It's not like you're being forced to strictly use Warrior. If the pros can deal with it, I'm sure everyone else should be able to as well.

swordsman

07-29-2005, 11:58 AM

do they have to wear warrior socks and stuff too like vapor tek?

No they have to wear Under Armor. Not sure about socks.

wkcheck

07-29-2005, 12:00 PM

warrior has a monopoly, and i think it is restricting the growth of the league

Orange

07-29-2005, 12:12 PM

Yes Warrior is restricting the growth of the league by paying for it and having MLL players use Warrior gear. Definitely restricting growth.

westcoastlaxr4

07-29-2005, 01:43 PM

That's a good point Orange. Warrior is basically giving away free stuff to all the MLL players, and also pouring money into the league. If they only want to showcase their own equipment because they are paying so much for the league, that is their right. Would you rather have all your favorite players sitting on the couch at home, or playing with Warrior stuff? I honestly dont see why people care so much about this "monopoly". Oh wow, you cant see your favorite player playing with your favorite stick. Get over it. Atleast we have a field league to watch.

lilloaf1990

07-29-2005, 02:25 PM

Do you think the players can use what ever shaft they want if they just scratch the label off and then tape right around that area? I think if they did that they could still use the shaft they want and then may not get fined

slice n dice

07-30-2005, 04:18 AM

bonedaddy

07-31-2005, 01:59 PM

I think the big thing that keeps players from using other gear is a fine for BOTH them and their coach. I think some players would suck it up and use other gear, and maybe have their company pay the fine, but the problem is their coach getting fined. Most players are more deterred by that element since they don't want to get their coach in trouble. It seems to be working since most players don't challenge the rule.

LouisvilleLaxer

07-31-2005, 02:54 PM

OutBurst

07-31-2005, 04:23 PM

How many college teams wear Warrior compared to the number of college teams that wear Brine, STX, or Gait?

ww_lax

08-01-2005, 08:32 PM

I once read in article in lax.com that was about playing defense in the MLL, and it mostly criticized Warrior by saying that longpoles were being forced to use (according to them) "Warrior heads, which are the most pinched on the market". But Warrior makes alot of wide heads too, so I don't know what they mean by that. Don't get me wrong, I definetely don't like Warrior monopolizing the league and being so restrictive, but I don't agree with that article.

P.S. I think MLL players should be allowed to use at least the kind of head they want. Warrior can make them wear their gear and stuff but the players should be allowed to use their own sticks, no matter what brand they are.

pINK fLOYD

08-04-2005, 07:10 PM

i saw gary gait once using his g force, but he must of been breaking the rulebook then

lax_nb

08-05-2005, 08:38 AM

i wouldnt mind seeing other companies come in to the mll

OHlax3544

08-05-2005, 11:52 AM

well isnt gaits team sponsored by gait? im not 100% sure but its what i heard

Lax101

08-05-2005, 07:07 PM

A few things:

This "wah wah wah why can't Mikey use his Swerve" argument is completely dead. I still haven't seen a good argument for him (or any player) to have the right to use non-Warrior equipment. In fact, the only arguments I've seen have been inaccurate financial logic, "dude warriors lyk so gay", and "mikey won't score 100 goals this year because he isn't comfortable not using his precious swerve!!!". Please, this is not a monopoly. Warrior built the MLL, and they still fund it to this day. That's enough for them to have the right to have everyone use a bunch of high quality sticks.

And by the way, its the same for college, almost. I was talking to a few college players this week, and they have to use their college issued gloves, their armpads, and helmet. The only thing they can use that is not produced by their team sponsor is their head...and most coaches/teams strongly discourage it. Also, if you want to use a non team-sponsored shaft, you must tape up the label, or scratch it off. And for cleats, if its Brine or Warrior, you must use Burns/Blurs.

In truth, there are probably a few players in the MLL using shafts without any label, and are a non-Warrior shaft, too.

Anyway, my point is that this argument is completely toast. This and the Powell Brothers lawsuit are two of the most one-sided arguments on TLF. The Powell Bros. argument is over. Now, can this one be over too?