Lets give this guy another 4 years...

[MrTibs]

Sorry for this being kinda long but here goes...



If George Bush were campaigning for re-election and laying out his accomplishments during his first three years in office, here is what he might say. _These are all issues that he must have forgotten to include in his State of the Union Address last week.
My Fellow American. _Just so you know:

*I attacked and took over 2 countries.

*I spent the U.S. surplus and bankrupted the US Treasury.

*I shattered the record for the biggest annual deficit in history (not easy!).

*I set an economic record for the most personal bankruptcies filed in any 12 month period.

*I set all-time record for the biggest drop in the history of the stock market.

*I am the first president in decades to execute a federal prisoner.

*In my first year in office I set the all-time record for most days on vacation by any president in US history (tough to beat my dad's, but I did).

*After taking the entire month of August off for vacation, I presided over the worst security failure in US history.

*I set the record for most campaign fund raising trips by any president in US history.

*In my first two years in office over 2 million Americans lost their jobs.

*I cut unemployment benefits for more out-of-work Americans than any other president in US history.

*I set the all-time record for most real estate foreclosures in a 12-month period.

*I appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than any president in US history.

*I set the record for the fewest press conferences of any president, since the advent of TV.

*I signed more laws and executive orders amending the Constitution than any other US president in history.

*I presided over the biggest energy crises in US history and refused to intervene when corruption was revealed.

*I cut health care benefits for war veterans.

*I set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously take to the streets to protest me (15 million people), shattering the record for protest against any person in the history of mankind.

*I dissolved more international treaties than any president in US history.

*I've made my presidency the most secretive and unaccountable of any in US history.

*Members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in US history. (The poorest multimillionaire, Condoleeza Rice, has a Chevron oil tanker named after her.)

*I am the first president in US history to have all 50 states of the Union simultaneously struggle against bankruptcy.

*I presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud in any market in any country in the history of the world.

*I am the first president in US history to order a US attack AND military occupation of a sovereign nation, and I did so against the will of the United Nations and the vast majority of the international community.

*I have created the largest government department bureaucracy in the history of the United States, called the "Bureau of Homeland Security"(only one letter away from BS).

*I set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending increases, more than any other president in US history (Ronnie was tough to beat, but I did it!!).

*I am the first president in US history to compel the United Nations remove the US from the Human Rights Commission.

*I am the first president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the Elections Monitoring Board.

*I removed more checks and balances, and have the least amount of congressional oversight than any presidential administration in US history.

*I rendered the entire United Nations irrelevant. I withdrew from the World Court of Law.

*I refused to allow inspectors access to US prisoners of war and by default no longer abide by the Geneva Conventions.

*I am the first president in US history to refuse United Nations election inspectors access during the 2002 US elections.

*I am the all-time US (and world) record holder for most corporate campaign donations.

*The biggest lifetime contributor to my campaign, who is also one of my best friends, presided over one of the largest corporate bankruptcy frauds in world history (Kenneth Lay, former CEO of Enron Corporation).

*I spent more money on polls and focus groups than any president in US history.

*I am the first president to run and hide when the US came under attack (and then lied, saying the enemy had the code to Air Force 1).

*I am the first US president to establish a secret shadow government.

*I took the world's sympathy for the US after 9/11, and in less than a year made the US the most resented country in the world (possibly the biggest diplomatic failure in US and world history).

*I am the first US president in history to have a majority of the people of Europe (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and stability.

*I changed US policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts.

*I set the all-time record for the number of administration appointees who violated US law by not selling their huge investments in corporations bidding for government contracts.

*I have removed more freedoms and civil liberties for Americans than any other president in US history.

*I entered office with the strongest economy in US history and in less than two years turned every single economic category heading straight down.

*RECORDS AND REFERENCES:
I have at least one conviction for drunk driving in Maine (Texas driving record has been erased and is not available).

*I was AWOL from the National Guard and deserted the military during time of war.

*I refuse to take a drug test or even answer any questions about drug use. (wink, wink)

*All records of my tenure as governor of Texas have been spirited away to my fathers library, sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.

*All records of any SEC investigations into my insider trading or bankrupt companies are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.

*All minutes of meetings of any public corporation for which I served on the board are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.

*Any records or minutes from meetings I (or my VP) attended regarding public energy policy are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public review.


With Love,
GEORGE W. BUSH
The White House, Washington, DC

[Bouncing_Soul]

bleeding heart liberal.

[MrTibs]

haha i knew someone was gonna say it.....

[BuckWyld]

i would vote for an inanimate carbon rod over Bush

[WestSideLa X eR]

lol

im pretty ignorant on politics, and i cant vote yet, but

all i know is bush was a fu@kstain for invading iraq

sure saddam needed to die, but ppl are so brainwashed that

most ppl dont know what the us did or do to other countries

[blckout20]

o well we all have problems

[stegmakk]

hell...inanimate rod?
I vote my penis over GW Jr.
but seriously...I think all politicians are dank...I'll vote for whoever is against GW Jr. that has a chance

[MrTibs]

Originally posted by stegmakk

I vote my penis over GW Jr.


HAHA that reminds me of a "big dick joke" by drew carey...

"My dick is so big it was over thrown by a military kouh and is now called the democratic republic of my dick"...

now back to bashing bush..

[nVlax]

Hell, im australian, even in another country people know GW is a smacktard

[Longest]

I will never vote for a Democrat, ever. If a 3rd party candidate ever really captured my attention (for example, Jesse Ventura), that would be an easy decision. But an even easier one for me is to not vote Democrat.

Dan

[anjang86]

Pretty impressive for anybody to come up with that list by themselves.... looks like you put a lot of thought into it.

I will never Republican. If a 3rd party candidtate ever really captured my attention I would still not vote republican

[jjlax7]

Mark For President!

[sumSum]

What most people dont realise is how similar the Democratic and Republican parties are. George Washington was against creating ANY political party because of the division that would evolve and the problems it would create. Now what does that tell you?

Would Longest care to share WHY he would never vote Democratic?

If you look at the records of presidency, pretty much every Democrat-aligned president had to clean up the mess the previous Republican-aligned president had made. Prime example, but in the opposite direction, is Bill Clinton. His personal life has nothing to do with the public and the whole scandal was stupid. Thats another issue. My point is that he was one of the best presidents in a long while, our country was a definite superpower during his term. Look at us now. Everyone hates us. I hate us. Hell, I would vote for myself for president. I know nothing close to what I should about being a president and all the things that come along with it, but if I had a group of advisors as Bush does, I wouldnt need to know anything (cough, cough)! Anyone with morals, a personality, and feelings, along with a general smartness (cough, cough, admitted to Andover because of his father, cough, cough, admitted to Yale with horrid SAT scores and grades, cough, cough) could run this country.

Nice job Tibs. Applause coming from here in MA (and MD).

[smitt5168]

we're goin to arizona and washington and michigan and new york......... WHOOHO

[sumSum]

You a Deanie Smitt?

My mother is a Dean-aholic. She's on his campaign team. Always wearing buttons and passing out flyers. Ugh. I like him and gave him $50 but I'm not sure who I support. I just know I want a Demi in office. Certainly not Bush.

[smitt5168]

Originally posted by sumSum
You a Deanie Smitt?





i cant vote. i'd vote for the sharpton guy because hes funny. wen i can vote, i'll vote for the guy with the coolest name

[Dan]

wow, i love liberals. i also love how my mom set her homepage to rushlimbaugh.com. at least there wasn't anything about oil. rather, i didn't read that whole accursed list. a buttload of that stuff is false, anybody can make up stuff or find some site that verifies it. like this one, now. mark, can we remove all of this crap off the website? 99% of it is not true.

bill clinton got us started in this economic mess. nobody could start the whole economic downfall within a year of presidency. i mean, the shortsightedness of you idiots can blow one's mind.

i'm from the east coast, in fact the home of idiot dean. i know a thing or two about democrats and liberals, and i know how biased the national news is. i know everyone 18 and under on the east coast is generally a democrat. i know that they're wrong about bush. i know that bush going against saddam was the right thing. i know that we're doing the right thing in iraq. i know the the selfishness of americans is not a virtue. and i know that all but me and a few others are democrats. i know that this whole board pretty much hates bush. i know this whole board is filled with idiots when it comes to politics. except for you older kids, like mark and jester.

[LaXDaVe]

Wouldnt MOST guys vote for their penis anyway?....:agree :agree

[sumSum]

Excuse me but I like to think I know a little about politics, having been raised in it, having a brother intrested in it, and having a mother intrested in it (see above). Including the rest of my family which has debates over it regulary.

Raine, your a great guy, but you cant generalize about someone's views and knowledge on politics. It IS possible to start an economic downfall, especially when you consider how much the government has to spend just on basic business operations, food, cleaning services, salaries, and then factor in the multimilliondollar airplanes/jets, missles, gas, soilder upkeep overseas, etc. Plus the stock market went down, which a lot of people invenst in/make their whole money off of. Especially when you add in traders, investment advisors, bankers, etc, etc.

Prove to me what Tibs said is not true and I'll believe you. But for now I dont. A lot of that IS true, probably all of it. I dont believe that war in Iraq was a good choice. There were other ways. And we did not set a good example. Just because we're the U.S. does not mean we can disregard everyone else. Think of Hitler. I agree that comparison is very harsh but on the small scale Bush and Hitler had very similar ideals: The U.S is the best, we can do whatever we want over anyone else. We'll decide whose bad and whose good, etc.

It all boils down to opinion. To each their own. You think what you think, and I'll think what I do. Its not worth getting into a huge fight about.

[drummerboy]

i agree longest and you people seem to forgotten about 9/11,
that is why people lost there jobs
that is why we attacked two countries
that is why the stock market went down (it was the world trade center)

and he had a dwi, i tons of people have gottens dwi's and you might remember bill clinton, i dont think that you should remember what he did.

and it was good that he did not listen to the UN, the trade towers were attacked and you think we should of just stood there and let more things happen, no we have to get rid of them.

And dont say clinton was not gulity, he was even though court said he wasnt

[Bouncing_Soul]

there two things people shouldnt get into agruments about...one is politics, and i cant remember the other. Lets just agree to disagree on this one

[Bouncing_Soul]

i just remembered the other one. It is religion

[drummerboy]

and tibs did not come up with that, it is all over the net

[attacklax]

im with bouncing soul. agree to disagree. both sides can make good arguments, but there will never be a time when one side with be totally right

[anjang86]

Originally posted by raine
wow, i love liberals. i also love how my mom set her homepage to rushlimbaugh.com. at least there wasn't anything about oil. rather, i didn't read that whole accursed list. a buttload of that stuff is false, anybody can make up stuff or find some site that verifies it. like this one, now. mark, can we remove all of this crap off the website? 99% of it is not true.

bill clinton got us started in this economic mess. nobody could start the whole economic downfall within a year of presidency. i mean, the shortsightedness of you idiots can blow one's mind.

i'm from the east coast, in fact the home of idiot dean. i know a thing or two about democrats and liberals, and i know how biased the national news is. i know everyone 18 and under on the east coast is generally a democrat. i know that they're wrong about bush. i know that bush going against saddam was the right thing. i know that we're doing the right thing in iraq. i know the the selfishness of americans is not a virtue. and i know that all but me and a few others are democrats. i know that this whole board pretty much hates bush. i know this whole board is filled with idiots when it comes to politics. except for you older kids, like mark and jester.

Heres what I get from this...

"I know..." " I know..." "I know..." "I know..."

Mr. Tibs may have started with the political slandering but you are the first one here that starts calling people names and calling them idiots and accuse them of being shortsighted... not everybody thinks like you and not everybody who thinks differently is wrong..

"I know..." " I know..." "I know..." "I know..."

to quote you raine>> "anybody can make up stuff"

I hope this thread is locked because politcial arguments get us no where and it has no place on this forum about lacrosse. It just makes us hate each other even more and gives everybody a bad taste.

[linkinlax311]

Here's my take on the whole thing.
I personally do not want to vote for Bush, OR any of the Dems.
Maybe if one of the Democrats would step up and start talking about the issues, rather than what a jerk-off president Bush is, then I might.
The fact that we went into Iraq does not bother me. Some of the misinformation does, but you can't argue that Saddam was an evil man and was torturing his country.
Sure, it's messed up to assume you can go into a county and take out their leader if you want, but a war to take out Saddam is not the worst idea i've heard of.
I don't know, maybe it's just me.
Personally, I hate party politics. I think there is nothing more unproductive. Someone mentioned earlier that another George W. (Washington) was against a 2 party system. I agree. It leads to too much bickering.
Well, I don't have any more time to continue my babbling, so I'm out.
(if only there were an independant candidate)

[Hooligan]

I'm a democrat, and so far none of the candidates have caught my interest. I know the only one I WON'T vote for is Dean. We already got a card-board cut out as president, why would I want a whiney cry-baby?

(btw...I've never liked Dean)

To me, Bushy will be prez again. Why? Well, he has too many people convinced he's a good president. Well, I got news for ya, he's not. Forign policy, budget, and jobs have gone down the tubes during his presidency. He would like you all to believe this is the democrats' fault. It's not. Despite his personal flaws, Clinton erased the deficit, created jobs, and brought our foriegn policy to levels it had never seen before. Bush destroyed that.

Oh, and don't even get me started on his "No Child Left Behind" policy. So far, the only thing that scam has done for America, is made it near impossible to become and stay a teacher. This policy has forced schools to work towards impossible goals, without any further government funding. This policy is the biggest SCAM of all time. Its worthless. Bush stamped a vote-fueled logo on it, and let it there to rot the school system.

But.....given the fact that the average Joe voter is completely ignorant to all of this.....4 more years!

[anjang86]

Bush wins re-election not because the average Joe voter is ignorant, he wins because there is no Democrat that can stand up to him.

The "No Child Left Behind" is bull. What else is bull is when Bush relaxes the regulations on the clean water act so that his corporate buddies can produce more and more dump more waste into our environment...

Excessive lobbying is another reason why Bush will win again...

[Hutch]

My economics teacher, who is a democrat and loved Clinton, says the stock market is cyclical and was driven in large part by the internet boom during the 90's. In addition, more people were able to trade stocks by commissions dropping do to online trading which caused the market to climb further, until it got to high that it had to come down. She does not give credit to which political party was in office at the time. She also thinks that it is still to high, and whomever does take office next year will have a down market to deal with during the length of his term.

I'm for the guy who will cut spending. I think the govenment wastes way to much money. My only exception would be spending on the military. Its important to have a strong defence, like in lacrosse.

[anjang86]

Originally posted by Hutch
My economics teacher, who is a democrat and loved Clinton, says the stock market is cyclical and was driven in large part by the internet boom during the 90's. In addition, more people were able to trade stocks by commissions dropping do to online trading which caused the market to climb further, until it got to high that it had to come down. She does not give credit to which political party was in office at the time. She also thinks that it is still to high, and whomever does take office next year will have a down market to deal with during the length of his term.

I'm for the guy who will cut spending. I think the govenment wastes way to much money. My only exception would be spending on the military. Its important to have a strong defence, like in lacrosse.

unfortunately it is defense spending that costs the most money. Bush spent BILLIONS of dollars on Iraq when our economy was allready in a ****hole.

You are right about the stock market however, but Bush had a chance to maintain that growth and didnt.

[TheKOB]

First off, that list is largely bs. Unless you can back up each of those with proof, don't bother posting it.

As for the economy...The economy takes time to experience the actions of a president. That means that changes made tend to not take effect until two to ten years afterwards. No one, not even economists, understand the economy. By the way, how did Bush have a chance to improve the stock market? My stocks are doing fine.....(up 23 to 51 since bush became prez...)

Every Dem likes to say how the rich are getting a huge tax cut...guess what. The top 5% provide funding for 34% of the gov. The top 10%...54. The amount we pay in income is staggered according to how much we make. That means, the more you make, the higher percentage you pay. That doesn't sound too fair....

Also, Dean was a terrible gov. My parents live up in vermont. Not only is it the whitest (read, least diverse) state in the union, the population also receives the most amount of federal aid per person. And if you want to talk about law breaking....right around when Dean announced he was running for pres, his son was caught with friends stealing booze from a country club. worst part is...it was nonalcoholic beer. First, stupid enough to try something like that...second, stupid to steal nonalcoholic beer....


as for oil....just because bush is from texas must mean he's got oil connections, right? actually, gore's family has more oil interests than bush ever did.

as for the clean water act...anyone noticed any sort of mutants walking around as a result of it? nope. Any kids dying? nope. huh....the media must be getting lax...(no pun intended)

speaking of the media, it (gasp) has a liberal bias. Don't believe me? Check out the book, "Bias" by Bernard Goldberg.

How does special interests help bush win?

(Quote) Well, I got news for ya, he's not. Forign policy, budget, and jobs have gone down the tubes during his presidency.

(If good forgien policy is agreeing with everyone else over something that's wrong, I don't want it.
Budget...I'd rather have a deficet, (which is growing no matter what) than have a loon in power over in iraq

jobs...actually, the economy's getting better....)


He would like you all to believe this is the democrats' fault. It's not. Despite his personal flaws, Clinton erased the deficit (he didn't have a war, and in response to the first WTC bombing, blew up a couple sand dunes), created jobs (how?), and brought our foriegn policy to levels it had never seen before (where's the proof?). Bush destroyed that. (I obviously, wholeheartedly, and nonetheless respectfully disagree)

now who's ignorent? Anyone can spout (or type) propaganda from a party booklet....

also, mad props to hutch for having the most sensible post on here...including mine. Sorry if I offended anyone...it was just alot to read and respond to. Also, it's important to note that I"m not a member of a political party. I'll vote for the best person for the job. I may be conservative, but that doesn't necessarily make me a republican....
'

Anyone want to talk religion?

[sumSum]

TheKOB, I disagre with you, you disagree with me.

We both have different opinions. You can say we're wrong, we can say your wrong.

Lets not let this blow up.

[Longest]

Originally posted by linkinlax311
Here's my take on the whole thing.
Personally, I hate party politics. I think there is nothing more unproductive. Someone mentioned earlier that another George W. (Washington) was against a 2 party system. I agree. It leads to too much bickering.
Well, I don't have any more time to continue my babbling, so I'm out.
(if only there were an independant candidate)

Communism was the most well-known 1 party system and I don't think ol' George was advocating that. Without a dichotomy of thought and ideas, it is just someone making decisions that everyone has to live with. Situations are going to naturally break down into 2 camps, pro and con, and the parties have aligned themselves along a commonality of belief in each of several main causes since the whole thing got off the ground I think after Madison.

Dan

[TheKOB]

Yeah, you're right sumsum....just got used to my friend who's a hardcore dem poly sci major spouting off random facts....

"Don't you hate it when people quote facts that are wrong? It's like "I read that 10% of the US is homeless" and I'd be like "Oh yeah, well I read that everyone in the US is Asian" and they'd be like "Well, you're not Asian' and I"m like "well, I read I was"

-Justin Merman....compliments of Conan O'Brien.

props to VCU players for learning words like dichotomy. I just hate it when someone does or says something (like Bush) then all the people campaigning are automatically opposed to it. That's the problem with political parties. But, there's no other real way to do it. Sorry if i jumped on anyone, also. Not Dems are bad (Lieberman...too bad they didn't give him a chance) and not all republicans are good (I'm sure you can come up with your own example). It's just kinda scary and frustrating the way people seem to ignore their own morals and values and replace them with the party line.

[linkinlax311]

Originally posted by Longest
Communism was the most well-known 1 party system and I don't think ol' George was advocating that.

I agree. But I wasn't talking about a one party system, I was talking about open debates, no parties, not just one ruling party, none at all.
It bothers me because I hear this all the time "I'm voting democrat" and I ask (in the spirit of the Socratic method) "Why" and what answer do I get?
"Because I'm a Democrat".
That is absolutely stupid. I don't like the fact that people vote along party lines, reardless of issues. WHY? It's not doing anybody any good. That's why I hate the idea of our party system.
Also, in some states, you have to register as democrat or republican or independant, which I think sucks. I guess the closest to me would be independant, but I don't necessarily align myself with the "independants". I will vote for whoever has the best ideas, regardless of party.
I don't know, I just get frustrated by the whole process..

[TheKOB]

[i]
I don't know, I just get frustrated by the whole process.. [/B]

Look at the bright side. In the US, when this happens, you get an out of control discussion on a message board. In Africa when this happens, you have a tribal coup.

[linkinlax311]

haha. true. and in other countries, what do you get for this?
killed.

[blckout20]

In my contemporary democracy class this is what we end up talking about every day. Im a democrat and some of the liberals in are class drive me insane i mean some of the things they say are crazy. All these kids do is complain that are country isnt a democracy if it was every election would be based on popular vote and Bush wouldn't be president. Then they'll go on about Bush only looking out for the upper class and how the war in Iraq is pointless. I am not a fan of Bush but i do feel some action needed 2 be takin on what happend in 9/11 and that Saddam needed to be taken out of power. Seriously, these kids take the most random things and turn it against the government and/or Bush, such as rising violence or something like that they would be like its Bush's fault for allowing people to have access to weapons etc... when the truth is more people were angry about something so more people got killed. Also, one thing that doesn't make sense to me is how people seem to think that the actions of one person should affect how we view a differant person such as someones relative or another party member commiting a crime causing us to resent the person who did nothing. Finally, I would like to see Kerry/Edwards running for president/vice.

[Dan]

you are right sumsum. and so is the person who says we should close this down. people, i would defend bush with my life. and i could find sites that dis any democrat just as much, i promise. what it boils down to is that we don't get anything resolved, and i get riled up. let's leave politics off the board. so yes, let's close the thread. and let's keep politics off of this board.

[TheKOB]

Hmm...

I think it would be a mistake to ban politics from the board, especially an open forum. Also, it's good to talk to you guys, who still have the openess to think about issues before launching into some rehearsed tirade. Moderation is the key. Those liberals blckout was talking about (or whatever you want to call them) sound like they just like to blame people instead of trying to do something about it.....I remember I was sitting at a party and all of the sudden this kid, high as a kite, started on some random rant about how bush is teaching the children of america a culture of violence....sometimes some people just need a smack. That definitely goes for both sides of the spectrum as well, liberals (Michael Moore) and conservatives (good ole robot Strom).

[JUSLAXIN]

I have been reading through all the posts and I must say I like the debate.

However, I see that some or most that are left leaning always bring up the same 'Talking Points'. I don't see a lot of fresh ideas or arguments. Not saying that they are not valid some may be some may not.

Let me say that I don't agree with most of the rhetoric from the left.

I saw blckout20's post about his class.
Your class mates are right, though they probably don't know why, we don't have a full fledged "democracy" we have a republic that is based in part on democratic (not the party) principals.

Look it up and see the differences (though they can and will be interpreted as individuals see fit).


Anyway, I think that it is a good thing to debate the issues. You must remember to be open minded and listen to the opposing views and try not to let your preconceptions get in the way. You might scare your self to death and realize that your way of thinking or beliefs might be wrong.

Now as I said I have been reading through the posts since yesterday and would love to show you all some photos of a recently uncovered (literally) banned weapon in Iraq. I just couldn't get it to work.
Anyway for those who have said that there are no banned weapons or WMD, these photos might change your mind as to how easy it is to hide something of size in the sands of the middle east.

Keep the debate going but most of all learn something new don't just go off of previous beliefs.

[joeyp2003]

forum was too long to read everything so i dunno if some one mentioned this but if like bashing bush read "dude wheres my country" its by the guy that produced Bowling for Columbine(SP) but its real funny but makes ALOT of good points about bush and 911 and such and such also makes a point that right around election time bin laden will be caught to give bush a nice little boost
note: the book says bush and bin laden are tied really close together so im really thinking that would happen, thank god liberman dropped out he was friggin wierd looking

[TheKOB]

Wow.

Michael Moore is a huge tool. In his "documentary" he edits video and speech to lie on a variety of levels, namely saying that the NRA is unopposed to what happened in Columbine. Also, he has a record of insufficient, lazy research laced with malice. Type in Michael Moore critique into any internet search engine and see what turns up. Also, if you sincerely believe that bin Laden and Bush are in on a conspiricy to get bush another 4 years...well, I'm speechless. Here's another conspiricy theory...Kerry and Bush were in the same secret society at yale. Skull and Bones, the basis for the movie "Skulls". Also, the easter bunny and the tooth fairy are shacking up, "Independance day" was a documentry, and Elvis got beat up by the easter bunny for hittin' on his hot tooth-collecting mama.

Also, Lieberman was one of the only canidates that I knew I had respect for as a moral decent guy, even despite him bearing a resemblence to Droopy the Dog. That's not to say I don't like any of the others, but I just don't know enough about 'em.

As for the banned weapons, I remember seeing some press about Iraqi scientists handing in small samples of germ warfare. While Iraq did have programs for nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons, the first two were in their infant stages, but that doesn't make them any less scary (in my opinion). In terms of other illegal weapons, France actually sold missles to Iraq which were banned by the UN. Of course, the past couple of years, I think they weren't supposed to buy any weapons period after the first gulf war. At any rate, the missles were a big thing mainly because of their range and also (to the US) because they could carry a WMD-type payload. I haven't heard of anything else, but I may just be out of the loop.

[JUSLAXIN]

All can say is that some stuff is going unreported.

The likelyhood of other countries letting the Iraqi's store the WMD's in their country is high. Remember Syria is not a friend of ours.

But, like I said you could bury weapons/weapon systems of great size and quantity in the desert and not be able to tell anything was there because of the 'shifting sands'. The photos that I have prove beyond a doubt that sizeable weapons/weapon systems have been hidden with out a whole lot of effort.

Wish I had away of posting them here.

[TheKOB]

I definitely agree that not everything is reported. Also, everything has a bias that goes along with it, from textbooks to websites. The best thing to do is to do what one of my GINT profs told me to do....before you read, put on some latex gloves, meaning take everything you read with a grain of salt. Figure out not only what the author is trying to say but also why he/she is saying it and perhaps even what bias he/she has. All that affects their judgement, what they write, and should affect what you think of it.

[joeyp2003]

MIB and Independence day WERE documentaries MIB II was just a movie

[linkinlax311]

Originally posted by JUSLAXIN
The photos that I have prove beyond a doubt that sizeable weapons/weapon systems have been hidden with out a whole lot of effort.

Wish I had away of posting them here.

is it just because of the forums? or can you not scan/upload them at all?
I would be very interested to see those pictures.

[Hooligan]

Originally posted by TheKOB
He would like you all to believe this is the democrats' fault. It's not. Despite his personal flaws, Clinton erased the deficit (he didn't have a war, and in response to the first WTC bombing, blew up a couple sand dunes), created jobs (how?), and brought our foriegn policy to levels it had never seen before (where's the proof?). Bush destroyed that. (I obviously, wholeheartedly, and nonetheless respectfully disagree)

now who's ignorent? Anyone can spout (or type) propaganda from a party booklet....
:laugh :laugh :laugh Thanks Kob, I needed a good laugh. Propoganda.....oh jeeze.

So in closing I say.....4 more years....FOR CLINTON!!!!:clap

[JUSLAXIN]

linkinlax311

I have the photos on my machine. I just haven't broken the code to post them on the forum.

I know it was done here on another topic .
Any help would be great.

[JUSLAXIN]

BINGO

I'll have to do them 1 post at a time.

These pictures were taken in the late summer/early fall of 2003.

[JUSLAXIN]

This is a MIG 25 FoxBat.

No wonder tha Russians and French didn't want us there.

[JUSLAXIN]

WOW
Russian MIG with French made electronics, sold to Iraq during the
1990s
in violation of a U.N. ban on arms sales to Baghdad.
You can see how easy it would be to hide things.

[TheKOB]

I didn't think it was a real secret that Iraq was buying weapons that the UN made illegal for them. Once again, the UN proves how it could be useful but isn't. The so called holy grail would be a nuclear or biological weapons program in full swing, which we haven't found yet, and hopefully there never was. In any event, I look at it as we overthrew a despot who's killed his own people, which in my opinion is a good thing. As for Clinton, well, I'd rather have someone who was moral than someone who, well, what did Clinton do that was so great again? He sure doesn't know how to lock doors, that's for sure....

[Hooligan]

Saddam says, "I was wondering where my dog burried that."

[Frndlefire]

Originally posted by TheKOB
Here's another conspiricy theory...Kerry and Bush were in the same secret society at yale. Skull and Bones, the basis for the movie "Skulls". Are you trying to say that Skull and Bones doesn't exsist?

[TheKOB]

No, I'm sure it exists, but I just think it's funny that some people think it's some worldwide conspiricy rather than just another fraternity-type organization. People seem to jump to huge conclusion where there's a simpler and realistic answer.

[Frndlefire]

I agree...there are no real conspirosies, or at least none that have any significant life span. However, it makes you wonder when you cross check the S & B members list to our government figures and big business deals.

[enjoi]

I think G.W. Did an okay job in office.

BTW i am independent.

[TheKOB]

Originally posted by Frndlefire
I agree...there are no real conspirosies, or at least none that have any significant life span. However, it makes you wonder when you cross check the S & B members list to our government figures and big business deals.

I wouldn't really call that a conspiricy. For example, I'm in a fraternity. I help out other guys whether it would be getting them jobs or helping them study. It's just like a good ole boy connection down here in SC...

[Frndlefire]

yes, but a good ole boy frat with world leaders....

[Snake~eyes]

blah blah blah, im not getting into it, but I do believe that he caught Sadam! :p

Also, are you old enough to vote? Anyways even if you are it won't matter cause he's going to win.

[TheKOB]

Originally posted by Frndlefire
yes, but a good ole boy frat with world leaders....

What's wrong with that? I don't think that'll have an effect on someone's administration, seeing as how his appointments have to be approved by Congress. Good ole checks and balances saves the day again.

[Dan]

i'd rather have a president who takes care of international affairs and problems then one who sits around in his oval office with monica and is friends with everybody. clinton, the dirtbag.

[QuickStyx]

Ohkay obviously whoever started this thread is an idiot, and cant think for themselves.

A: you got that list off the internet
B: Very little of it had anything to do with Bush himself.

Have you ever heard of economic cycles?? obviously not, because your an ignorant idiot. not to flame or anything. You know how Clinton, the moronic moron got to balanceing the federal budget?? BY STEALING YOUR MONEY!! and by NOT SECURING THIS NATION!! Tell me mister flaming liberal genious boy. How long do you think 9/11 had been in planning stages?? thats right... WAAY BEFORE BUSHES PRESIDANCY!! you idiot. That would mean that if Clinton spent more time with inteligence and less time in his office with a skank, he MIGHT have been able to figure it out.

See im not mad at the democrats in the world. Its idiots like the starter of this thread that cant think for themselves, and have to belive their hippy parents or the stupid liberal media bias that piss me off.

If anyone wants to get into a realy political argument at anytime hit me up on AIM, laxwarrior2004 or PM me, because ill will be sure to let you know how things really work, also if you have any questions about polotics, ask me, i follow this stuff, and make up my OWN mind.

one last thing, if you are against this ongoing war on terror, then you should move to Iran, or North Korea, and give it a try, youll probly whine less when you get back...

Chad

PS I WILL BE VOTING FOR BUSH!!

[MrTibs]

I may or may not be an ignorant idiot, but by your tone and all the caps lock letters i can tell you are just angry because you were born with an inferior penis and possibly no balls. Have a nice day.


P.S Mods feel free to lock or delete this thread

[LaXDaVe]

So be it. Locked.