flip checks?

[nclax35]

the other day i had my freind over and hes just learning how to play and he was wondering if the flip check is legal in lacrosse like it is in hokey and this was one of the few questions he asked that i didnt know the answer to so i was just wondering is the flip check legal.

[WHEELAX2]

ok.. first off... describe a flip check..

then, and only then can we determine if it would be legal or illegal

[laxfreak24]

In hockey, when players A and B are moving towards each other, before impact player A stops and bends over with a good base. Player B does not stop, hits player A and does a flip over their body. I'd call this a defensive move so player A can't be at fault. Same can be applied to lax but I've never seen it happen so I wouldn't know the ruling.

I assume that's what he is talking about... :thinking:

[Conrice]

what youre describing is a hip check...which happens along the boards, or at least, ive never seen it happen in the middle of the ice in my 11 yrs of playing. if thats what youre talking about, it wouldnt really occur in lax. for a hip check to really work in hockey, you need to be along the boards....there arent boards in lax, and you can move laterally easier in lax than in hockey. so if you stopped and tried to do that in lax, someone would just spin, or move around you....i doubt it'd be illegal, but there wouldnt ever be a time where you should do one

[WHEELAX2]

you can certainly hip check.. as long as it is done to the front of the body or side.. It's a good check to use if someone happens to be cutting in front of you and the ball is being thrown to him... within 5 yards of course.. and you can use it for ground balls within 5 yards if you are side-by-side with a player.. but it's more of a hip/shoulder check.. and you can use it on the sidelines to force the guy out of bounds..

I'm afraid it may look like a trip if performed incorrectly..

it is true that this is a very rare check, and is much easier to perform in hockey because of the lateral movement on skates.

[3rdPersonPlural]

At a competent level of lacrosse, if a defender stops and doubles over in an effort to upend the guy with the ball he can expect a shot or a pass to go zinging over his rump rather than anybody trying to run over his body. Lacrosse is played on foot, so players can stop, swerve, and jump better than they can on skates.

If the rate of closure is fast enough, the level of play low enough, and the ballhandler out-of-control enough, it is conceivable that a low hit could cause someone to flip over, but as Whee pointed out, it's not a likely scenario.

[lax16]

yea like everyone else said - that's called a hip check in hockey. You're speaking of the type that would occur in the middle of the rink which is when a defender (who usually is skating backwards) skates into the offensive players path bent over and if the offensive player doesn't move he'll hit the defensive players hip and "flip" over him. This only happens in hockey because of the speed of the play and usually the offensive player cant stop his momentum... its an extremely hard check to throw and are very rare to see. The kind of hip check that Conrice was talking about is when a defensive player is skating backwards along the boards facing the offensivbe player w/ the puck. When the offensive player makes a move to the outside (between the defensive player andthe boards) the defensemen would than use his hip to check/pinch the offensive player between the boards and his body to prevent him from advancing. A hip check would be pretty much impossible to throw in either of those fashions in lacrosse

Mike

[lax4life6]

yeah just to clarify in hockey you have to be moving in teh same direction to throw a legal hip check. no more open ice takeouts.

i would assume the rule would be the same but it may be different. and it would be really effective when a guy goes to hit you you just bend over and hip check him. try the rules forum

[UNCdefense]

shoot, this was a varsity soccer player for our team who did it.....the defender kept holding him like grabbing his jersye & pullin when he'd try to block him out, & it was hceap but refs wouldnt call it & he was gettin annoyed, so when time when he was doing it, he grabbed the guy doin this flipped him clear over his own body, & the guy nailed the ground on his back.....that to me is border line the same thing.lol....just in this case your tryin to make it look legal by comparing it to hockey(it was so f'in tight.lol)

[bspalax15]

to answer your question, that check would be legal, as long as you hit them from the waist to below the neck any type of check besides a cross check or a slash would be legal

[Woodenstick]

to answer your question, that check would be legal, as long as you hit them from the waist to below the neck any type of check besides a cross check or a slash would be legal

Exactly, so if you bend at the waist with the intent that the other player will flip over you, you are probably hitting below the waist. Not to mention it probably wouldn't work anyway!

[WillMiller82]

My long pole buddy pulled this move off in the open field around the midfield line on some poor kid, he face planted hard. My buddy got called for something like unnecesary roughness or something along those lines. The only way ive seen this check work is when the defender gets much lower than the offensive players waist, then when the offensive player falls over the d-man, d-man pops up and flips the offensive player. but to answer your question yes this is an illegal check, just because your usually hitting well below the waist. This move is good for shutting up those annoying players that like to talk smack :)

[WHEELAX2]

how are u hitting below the waste..? the hips are the waste... and can u cite a ruling in a rule book for any level of lacrosse?

[WillMiller82]

simple physics wont allow you to flip a man over your back by hitting them in the face

[WillMiller82]

i dont own a rule book or anything fancy like that, but if you go to laxrules.com and you go to the section about illegal body checking it clearly states you are not allowed to hit a man from behind or below the waste.

[CTLaxer]

This kind of check can be done in lacrosse. It's hard to actually get an offensive player to commit, but it "can" happen. Usually you can see it on sloppy clears and "buddy" passes. I've actually done it once or twice in my playing days. It's ill advised as it totally removes you from the play as well as has serious potential to injure a player landing on their head. As was stated earlier, you really have to line someone up and prepare only to take the body, which some officials consider UR or USC.

[WHEELAX2]

i dont own a rule book or anything fancy like that, but if you go to laxrules.com and you go to the section about illegal body checking it clearly states you are not allowed to hit a man from behind or below the waste.


who says a lacrosse rule book is fancy.. and obviously any check performed illegally is illegal

there are legal ways to hip check in lacrosse, but they often don't end up with the player flying over u

[spenny]

go to ncaa.org you can download a PDF of the NCAA rulebook

[Warlax16]

I had this happen in one of my games. The ball was on the ground in the middle of the field and some guy on the other team lays out a person on our team trying to get the ball. At the same time a guy on my team is running straight at the guy who just layed a kid out. The player on the other team looks just in time not to get laid out and bends over. The kid on my team ends up doing a front handspring(not a clean one) and doesn't land it. Kind of "Remember the Titans" style. The guy on the other team got no call and the guy on my team got a call for UR because he took a long running start for the guy. (Sorry if this makes absolutely no sense).

[MBLacrosse]

no tabletoping (hip checking) in Canadian boxla. An attempt will land you a 2minute minor, and if u connect its suppose to be a match penalty for attempting to injure.

[VeronaLax17]

we had a kid that would use this when someone else was trying to hit him he would drop keeping the ball in his stick and have his defender when both were on a full run flip over his back and then keep going. He did this a few times over the course of the season.