View Full Version : creatine
tkdlaxer
09-28-2005, 03:45 PM
ok i'm doing a science project and i need to kno if creatine is legal in hihg school lax and if it is are there any rules and regulations that go alone wiht it and help u could give me would be amazing thanks... :monkey:
LaxRef
09-28-2005, 03:52 PM
ok i'm doing a science project and i need to kno if creatine is legal in hihg school lax and if it is are there any rules and regulations that go alone wiht it and help u could give me would be amazing thanks... :monkey:
The rules of high school lacrosse don't explicitly mention nutritional supplements or even performance-enhancing drugs. These issues tend to be handled by athletic associations (in college, the NCAA; in high school, it probably falls to each individual state high school athletics association or other athletics associating).
My guess is that creatine is not prohbited, since it is a nutritional supplement, not a drug. It's legal at the Olympic level, I believe (not Olympic lacrosse, of course, since there isn't any, but just for the Olympics in general), so I can't imagine it would be prohibited in high school.
tkdlaxer
09-28-2005, 04:02 PM
ok thanks so much
laxjer09
09-28-2005, 04:22 PM
no its definitely not illegal at all here in colorado at least... pretty much 60 percent of the athletes i know take some kind of supplement with creatine in it
ViennaLAX16
09-28-2005, 04:24 PM
It's pretty bad for you, it may not be staroids but any forghein suppliment being put into to help the blood get to yoou muscles probally isnt good
slinkyspine
09-28-2005, 04:33 PM
It's pretty bad for you, it may not be staroids but any forghein suppliment being put into to help the blood get to yoou muscles probally isnt good
yep! but glutamine is wicked good
ViennaLAX16
09-28-2005, 04:55 PM
yep! but glutamine is wicked good
whats glutamine?
LaxRef
09-28-2005, 05:15 PM
It's pretty bad for you, it may not be staroids but any forghein suppliment being put into to help the blood get to yoou muscles probally isnt good
What is your basis for this claim?
Creatine is an amino acid. If you think it's bad, you'd better stop eating meat.
Lax-Umpire
09-28-2005, 05:18 PM
Yea - see what it did to Viena's cat!
:lol:
jrmelax16
09-28-2005, 05:50 PM
It's pretty bad for you, it may not be staroids but any forghein suppliment being put into to help the blood get to yoou muscles probally isnt good
Are you kidding me?? Show me one study that says creatine is bad for you. Quite a people i know have made AWESOME gains using creatine.
And to the main question no its not illegal. Creatine is found in a lot of foods, you just get a lot more when you take it as a pill or powder.
LaxRef
09-28-2005, 06:07 PM
Are you kidding me?? Show me one study that says creatine is bad for you. Quite a people i know have made AWESOME gains using creatine.
Well, as I said, I don't think creatine is a problem. However, your logic leaves something to be desired. For example, by your logic, since I know quite a few people who have made awesome gains using steroids, that would imply that steroids are not bad for you. Hopefully, we all know that is a false statement.
Also, just because something is found in food (or is "all natural") doesn't mean it can't hurt you if you take too much of it. But, under proper dosage, I don't think people have found any harm in creatine.
BelliesLax
09-28-2005, 06:12 PM
creatine is no harm to your body its just amino acids....and yes if you think amino acids are bad for u stop eating meat.. i dont advise this..creatine is not considered a steroid all creatine does is help your muscles to retain water,this means that u can work longer and harder..it also means that your muscles will expand making you look bigger
wrwarrior19
09-28-2005, 07:04 PM
For sure, why would people take it if it was bad for you? It must do something right.
wrwarrior19
09-28-2005, 07:12 PM
I've heard you have to take the right kind of creatine to not get the nasty sideaffects on your liver and such. There's some other stuff like you shouldn't take any with a loading phase because it can shut down your natural creatine production. I'm no expert, but that's what I've heard and read though.
As officials, we don't involve ourselves with creatine. Only cretins.
shiftylax
09-28-2005, 07:20 PM
Okay, the risks with cretaine mostly involve dehydration if it is used improperly. However, creatine can easily be abused even the directions on some creatine supplements may lead to this. For example, there is absolutely no need to a "loading phase" for creatine. All that does is make you use more of it when you buy it so you have to go back and buy more, etc, etc.
I myself use creatine right now, but I only use it after intense workouts and I only use one scoop. I also use the EAS creatine "Phosphagen" mostly because that company is the founder of modern day carb/sugar creatine delivery. Creatine is not something to be used improperly or in excess and certainoly not by anyone under the age of 17. I personally do not regard that as "safe", but that is just my opinion.
LaxRef
09-28-2005, 07:33 PM
For sure, why would people take it if it was bad for you? It must do something right.
Why would people take steroids, or LSD, or meth, or crack, if it was bad for you?
laxfan25
09-28-2005, 07:36 PM
For sure, why would people take it if it was bad for you? It must do something right.
So in the category of "if people take it, it must be good", we can add cigarettes, heroin, meth, etc.
In regard to enhancement supplements, a lot of people still do steroids, and yes, they do something, but perhaps the other side effects may be less helpful.
Whatever happened to just eating right and working out without all the extra "stuff"? It seems to have worked for generations of athletes before people started looking for a magic bullet in a pill.
Just my old-fashioned self talking again....
ViennaLAX16
09-28-2005, 07:45 PM
Are you kidding me?? Show me one study that says creatine is bad for you. Quite a people i know have made AWESOME gains using creatine.
And to the main question no its not illegal. Creatine is found in a lot of foods, you just get a lot more when you take it as a pill or powder.
I read it in some studies....I'm sure one dosage is bad for you but I have coaches and friends whos brothers who play in college who abuse it and they aren't doing so well....
CTLaxer
09-28-2005, 08:59 PM
It's pretty bad for you, it may not be staroids but any forghein suppliment being put into to help the blood get to yoou muscles probally isnt good
Last I heard, creatine doesn't do anything with the blood flow, but water retention and h20 carriage into the muscles and system. Obviously blood is involved, but it's not increasing blood flow into your muscles, just what's in the blood.
This is why when people stop using creatine, they deflate a little as the extra water in their muscles leaves.
LaxRef
09-28-2005, 09:06 PM
Last I heard, creatine doesn't do anything with the blood flow, but water retention and h20 carriage into the muscles and system. Obviously blood is involved, but it's not increasing blood flow into your muscles, just what's in the blood.
This is why when people stop using creatine, they deflate a little as the extra water in their muscles leaves.
From http://www.mdausa.org/research/creatine.html:
Q What does creatine normally do in the body?
A In the body, creatine is changed into a molecule called "phosphocreatine" which serves as a storage reservoir for quick energy. Phosphocreatine is especially important in tissues such as the voluntary muscles and the nervous system which periodically require large amounts of energy
IIRC, creatine gives you more energy for anaerobic activity. Thus, it lets you do more reps when you're weight training before failure, which allows you to build bigger muscles. You still need the full recovery time of 48 hours between workouts, though.
OTOH, anabolic steroids cut down your recovery time to about 36 hours, so you can workout more often.
slinkyspine
09-28-2005, 10:10 PM
Creatine is transformed jsut a lax ref said intoa chemical whick leter becomes ATP the energy chemical. Your body has plenty of creatine in it from eating but people tihnk if you take it every day youll have way more so you will get bigger. i advise taking it may be twice a week not twice a day. Since your body may want a little extra fomr liffting but too much in your systems can fail your kidneys.
ragnut
09-29-2005, 07:29 AM
An overview for your research project, without the bias of someone trying to sell you something:
http://www.pdrhealth.com/drug_info/nmdrugprofiles/nutsupdrugs/cre_0086.shtml
laxfan25
09-29-2005, 08:52 AM
An overview for your research project, without the bias of someone trying to sell you something:
http://www.pdrhealth.com/drug_info/nmdrugprofiles/nutsupdrugs/cre_0086.shtml
Thanks for the excellent source of information! As the article mentions, more research on negative effects is urgently needed, particularly for use by adolescents. (And based on some of the grammar in these posts, it appears they are very interested in these products!)
Note the precaution:
PRECAUTIONS
Creatine supplements should be avoided by children, adolescents, pregnant women, nursing mothers and anyone at risk for renal disorders such as diabetics. Those taking creatine should have serum creatinine levels monitored.
Of course I'm sure that is going to do little to dissuade anyone interested from taking it - "I'm not pregnant!"