Apple or PC

[enjoi]

Whats your personal opinion?
:argue

[Crack_Shot]

I choose.....Commodore64! :agree

[MrTibs]

YES!!!! COMMADORE 64! Oh man...those were so sweet..i miss mine

But yeah..Apple all the way. Ive been a mac addict my whole life.

[Hutch]

Somebody actually owns a Mac?

[laxboy27]

I would get a Dell, they are the best computers!!!

[Crack_Shot]

Originally posted by laxboy27
I would get a Dell, they are the best computers!!!
You're joking right? Haha, Dells and all other retail computers suck....build your own that's 2x better for 1/2 the price- do the math.

[MontclairLax]

good thinkin

[livin4lax09]

Originally posted by Hutch
Somebody actually owns a Mac?

yep, sure do because the new mac os x is more reliable than ANY windows operating system I have ever run, that's including xp.

[bigDman]

leniux

[blckout20]

I have a mac and have never had a problem with it.

[SullyLax]

Originally posted by Crack_Shot
You're joking right? Haha, Dells and all other retail computers suck....build your own that's 2x better for 1/2 the price- do the math.

haha yea. thats what im gunna do, i wanted a dell tilli realized i could build one two times better for a fraction of the price.

[a_nik_02]

Ya i realized it too but ....well my mom didn't and thats why im stuck with a dell...this sucks

[livin4lax09]

Originally posted by bigDman
leniux

linux you mean? Because mac os x is essentially built off the linux system, that's why it's so reliable.

[surfer_113]

You're joking right? Haha, Dells and all other retail computers suck....build your own that's 2x better for 1/2 the price- do the math.

crack_shot is so right. i just built one twice as good as a dell but half the price. plus you can put neons in them and the case can have a glass window and it would look awesome. and you can't do that with a mac.
pc all the way

[bigDman]

i built my own comp and helped sully build his but im not sure if he went through with it

[anjang86]

Who else but enjoilax would start this thread...?



If you buy from dell you get customer support and you get a warranty

you also get a computer that has been designed in such a way that there will be no internal compatibility issues

you make it yourself and you dont know such things like if the hard drive you chose is best for the graphics card.

sure it may be 2X faster on paper but that wont mean anything if one component wont work that well with another.

Also the parts they use for the custom made computers may not be the best quality parts, thats why the computers come so cheap.

Dell's also will last longer than any custom made PC.

Notice that I am only defending dell here, all the other guys (Gateway, Compaq, HP, all suck)

[smitt5168]

my computers black. that's all i know

[Crack_Shot]

If you know anything about computers and how they work, a custom built computer will last just as long, if not longer than any retail one (inc. Dells)

[SullyLax]

crackshots right. and bigd, im still working on the cash issue, but thanks again man.

[johnnyicesae]

Originally posted by livin4lax09
linux you mean? Because mac os x is essentially built off the linux system, that's why it's so reliable.

Not exactly OS X is Built on Unix. Linux is basicly someones take on Unix. So your kind of right.

Macs are a better quality of build then your standard computers. You can take a mac from 1996-7 and run the latest version of OS X at a reasonable speed. Try getting XP to run on a computer that old. Macs are more expensive initially, but last longer and encounter less problems. Thats fact. That being said you get what you pay for. Building your own box is hit or miss. And you may get a lemon when you buy a Dell(not trying to bash dell here the same thing happens with apple from time to time) Yes you pay a premium for a Mac but IMO they are well worth it. I jump to Mac about 3 years ago and have to say i will not be going backin the forseeable future

[livin4lax09]

yeah i know, we had this discussion way back when...thats why i said "essentially" because I knew i was sort of right

[anjang86]

Originally posted by johnnyicesae
Not exactly OS X is Built on Unix. Linux is basicly someones take on Unix. So your kind of right.

Macs are a better quality of build then your standard computers. You can take a mac from 1996-7 and run the latest version of OS X at a reasonable speed. Try getting XP to run on a computer that old. Macs are more expensive initially, but last longer and encounter less problems. Thats fact. That being said you get what you pay for. Building your own box is hit or miss. And you may get a lemon when you buy a Dell(not trying to bash dell here the same thing happens with apple from time to time) Yes you pay a premium for a Mac but IMO they are well worth it. I jump to Mac about 3 years ago and have to say i will not be going backin the forseeable future

compatibility...?

[livin4lax09]

you can run any windows program off a mac by just purchasing (or illegally downloading) virtual PC

[johnnyicesae]

Originally posted by nrvlc
compatibility...?

What kind of compatibility are you talking about?

what about compatibility? Anything you can do on a PC i can do on a Mac, most of the time it'll be done easier/better on the mac. 98% of the time in the same program you use. Compatibility was a problem 10 years ago. Not now. Any compatibility issues you might run into are no fault of Apple but the designers of X product or their decision to us proprietary technology instead of open standards. Windows media files and Word Documents are not standards. I can open both of those flawlessly by the way.

[anjang86]

Originally posted by johnnyicesae
What kind of compatibility are you talking about?

what about compatibility? Anything you can do on a PC i can do on a Mac, most of the time it'll be done easier/better on the mac. 98% of the time in the same program you use. Compatibility was a problem 10 years ago. Not now. Any compatibility issues you might run into are no fault of Apple but the designers of X product or their decision to us proprietary technology instead of open standards. Windows media files and Word Documents are not standards. I can open both of those flawlessly by the way.

I'm not gonna knock Mac too much cause they have made great strides with teh compatibility thing and they are great for video/ picture editing.

PC's are just the standards around the whole world. In the VaTEch engineering deaprtment they require a laptop for your 4 years of coursework.

They do not accept i books or ... damn what are those new mac laptops called, the ones with the lights on the keyboards... anyways.. they dont allow macs because it cannot run the auto-cad and Mat-lab software they teach.

Thats not to prove which system is better or anything but i'm just saying that to show an example of when compatibility still comes into play...

[johnnyicesae]

Aight i feel ya on that. Some companies just don't support the mac. The Auto-Cad and Met-lab companies obviously don't write the programs for the mac.

[anjang86]

Originally posted by johnnyicesae
Aight i feel ya on that. Some companies just don't support the mac. The Auto-Cad and Met-lab companies obviously don't write the programs for the mac.

what are those damn laptops called man... i-books, i-tops, i- lap or something... those things are pretty cool, I bought a dell laptop however that is silver and has light-up keys just like the i-books... (dell probably copied it off of mac)

Another thing I wanted to add was that apple is best for professional film directors or movie editors. I used Final cut pro on a mac and it ran very smoothly for a very complicated program. but in my opinion for amateurs like use Adobe Primier on an PC would do just the same amount of work that we could do on a Mac with Final cut pro

[surfer_113]

not saying i like mac's but the vtech super computer is made entierly of mc g5's

[johnnyicesae]

Powerbooks. Thats what i rock except it's the old Titanium Powerbooks not the new Alumnium ones. Nothing like a laptop thats 1 inch thick and runs like a desktop.


I do alot of work with FCP, premier is alright but junk compared to the new version of FCP, only thing that comes close is Avid Media Composer, and that costs a crap load more then FCP. 1000 (about 4 grand with a top of the line Powermac) for FCP compared to 5,000-50,0000 for an Avid setup. FCP has roughly the same features for alot less.

Yeah the supercomputer is a rather interesting thing. It's ranked as number 3 in the world supercomputer-wise and it was done for about a third of the cost of a custom design Supercomputer. Amazing if you think about.

[LatinBabe]

I say.. walk into a compusa... grab the exact components you want... walk to the cash register... drive to your boyfriends house... beg him to put it together!

there you got yourself a computer that does exactly what you want it to, WHILE retaining each of the parts individual warranties. (Gateway/dell/others set a basic warranty that undercuts most of the warranties on their computers.)

there.

[anjang86]

Originally posted by johnnyicesae
Powerbooks. Thats what i rock except it's the old Titanium Powerbooks not the new Alumnium ones. Nothing like a laptop thats 1 inch thick and runs like a desktop.


I do alot of work with FCP, premier is alright but junk compared to the new version of FCP, only thing that comes close is Avid Media Composer, and that costs a crap load more then FCP. 1000 (about 4 grand with a top of the line Powermac) for FCP compared to 5,000-50,0000 for an Avid setup. FCP has roughly the same features for alot less.

Yeah the supercomputer is a rather interesting thing. It's ranked as number 3 in the world supercomputer-wise and it was done for about a third of the cost of a custom design Supercomputer. Amazing if you think about.

supercomputer... yet another reason why tech is better than UVA

do you do a lot of work with Maya/ Bryce and Cinema 4D?

[johnnyicesae]

I've done work in Maya and alittle in C4D. Nothing too extensive but i've long my share of hours in it

[BuckWyld]

I use and have a bunch of different computers and operating systems. I dissagree with who ever said that macs are higher quality than x86 computers, it is just not true the first thing is that Macs are 99% the same stuff, the RAM, hard drives, video cards, optical drives are all the same. Also OSX is a retarded version of Free BSD, you trade security and power for a nice looking GUI. You can also get OsX for you x86, but with out the GUI, it is called Darwin and it is a free download. Personally I like Linux but I keep windows around to play games on, I also have an old mac that I got to check out OsX but I have not turned it on in about 1 year. I also use on a semi-regular basis Solaris, HP-UX and AIX. I hate HP-UX it is really crappy.

[johnnyicesae]

Originally posted by BuckWyld
I use and have a bunch of different computers and operating systems. I dissagree with who ever said that macs are higher quality than x86 computers, it is just not true the first thing is that Macs are 99% the same stuff, the RAM, hard drives, video cards, optical drives are all the same. Also OSX is a retarded version of Free BSD, you trade security and power for a nice looking GUI. You can also get OsX for you x86, but with out the GUI, it is called Darwin and it is a free download. Personally I like Linux but I keep windows around to play games on, I also have an old mac that I got to check out OsX but I have not turned it on in about 1 year. I also use on a semi-regular basis Solaris, HP-UX and AIX. I hate HP-UX it is really crappy.

Everything you can do on your Free BSD and Linux box you can do on OSX in the terminal, Everything. Darwin is a fully funtional unix OS the GUI has nothing to do with whats under the hood. At it's core it is exactly like every other Unix flavor out there. As far as trading security and power, your wrong. OS X has proven itself to be just as secure as any unix box out there. And most of the time it's as easy if not easier to set up. If you used to commandline stuff use the Terminal it's EXACTLY like any other unix flavor out there. Trading Power, thats atleast debateable. Thats more Motorola's fault for producing **** G4s for so many years. Apple is partly to blame but it's not the OS thats slowing everything down. With a respectable G4 and a decent video card(i got a 667 and it runs smooth as hell)

Yes Macs are the same stuff, but they use top quality parts most of the time. They use better quality parts, yes you pay a premium for it but thats that. It's like buying a Emachine computer for half the price of a dell 99 times out of 100 the one that is Dell is going to give you a much better experiance(ie no problems)

[BuckWyld]

Apple's handling of root just seems flaky. Plus I trust open source to be secure more than closed

[johnnyicesae]

Darwin is open source. it's just apple's gui thats closed source.

[anjang86]

Originally posted by BuckWyld
I use and have a bunch of different computers and operating systems. I dissagree with who ever said that macs are higher quality than x86 computers, it is just not true the first thing is that Macs are 99% the same stuff, the RAM, hard drives, video cards, optical drives are all the same. Also OSX is a retarded version of Free BSD, you trade security and power for a nice looking GUI. You can also get OsX for you x86, but with out the GUI, it is called Darwin and it is a free download. Personally I like Linux but I keep windows around to play games on, I also have an old mac that I got to check out OsX but I have not turned it on in about 1 year. I also use on a semi-regular basis Solaris, HP-UX and AIX. I hate HP-UX it is really crappy.


Everything you can do on your Free BSD and Linux box you can do on OSX in the terminal, Everything. Darwin is a fully funtional unix OS the GUI has nothing to do with whats under the hood. At it's core it is exactly like every other Unix flavor out there. As far as trading security and power, your wrong. OS X has proven itself to be just as secure as any unix box out there. And most of the time it's as easy if not easier to set up. If you used to commandline stuff use the Terminal it's EXACTLY like any other unix flavor out there. Trading Power, thats atleast debateable. Thats more Motorola's fault for producing **** G4s for so many years. Apple is partly to blame but it's not the OS thats slowing everything down. With a respectable G4 and a decent video card(i got a 667 and it runs smooth as hell)

Yes Macs are the same stuff, but they use top quality parts most of the time. They use better quality parts, yes you pay a premium for it but thats that. It's like buying a Emachine computer for half the price of a dell 99 times out of 100 the one that is Dell is going to give you a much better experiance(ie no problems)


this is where I get lost...

I guess thats my cue to exit.

[enjoi]

Originally posted by surfer_113
crack_shot is so right. i just built one twice as good as a dell but half the price. plus you can put neons in them and the case can have a glass window and it would look awesome. and you can't do that with a mac.
pc all the way


NO RICING OUT COMPUTERS. YOU ARE NOT L337!

[WarriorLax22]

are mac and pc even comparable? isn't mac an OS AND a pc? so shouldn't it be, "Apple or Windows"? i could be wrong...i don't know computers too well.

[johnnyicesae]

your are correct. But alot of people like to call windows computer is generally referred to as a PC. Although by definition they both would be Personal Computers

[WarriorLax22]

yeah, i didn't think i was crazy.