Moving Pick

[Lampen69]

sorry its a dumb question but when setting a pick when are u allowed to move again?

[LaxRef]

sorry its a dumb question but when setting a pick when are u allowed to move again?

You have to be stationary and motionless during the pick. If you move and make contact with the opposing player, you'll be called for a moving pick. Thus, the answer to your question is that you can move again as soon as you can do so without touching the opposing player you intended to pick.

Of course, if they run into you and you move because of the contact, that's not your fault--as long as you don't intentionally do anything else after that to slow him down (such as holding or shuffling your feet to interfere with the opposing player's movement).

[tall_chris]

So can a moving pick only be called when contact is made with the opposing player?

What about the attempts at picks where the opposing player does not use the pick and does not contact the Picker..

[LaxRef]

So can a moving pick only be called when contact is made with the opposing player?

What about the attempts at picks where the opposing player does not use the pick and does not contact the Picker..

See:

No offensive player shall move into and make contact with a defensive player with the purpose of blocking a defensive player from the man he is playing, nor may the offensive player hold his crosse rigid or extend his crosse rigid to impede the normal movements of the defensive man. If contact is made between offensive and defensive players as a result of the offensive player’s setting a screen, the offensive player must be motionless before the contact occurs.

(Emphases mine)

Thus--contrary to popular belief--a moving pick cannot rightfully be called if there is no contact. Similarly, if I try as hard as I can to ward, but I never touch the other player or his crosse, that is not a ward according to the rules.

BTW, I'm fairly sure the NFHS wording is the same.

[Thrillhouse]

I’ve been called for a moving pick a few times because I would use one of my legs to brace myself to keep from falling over, but I wouldn’t do that until after contact is made. Doing that was kind of instinctive and it was a hard habit to break, but I was finally able to keep myself still and would end up on the ground a lot. (The trick was shutting your eyes at the last second.)
…so you’re telling me that, while I’m sure it was entertaining for everyone watching the game, getting knocked on my butt wasn’t necessary?

[LaxRef]

I’ve been called for a moving pick a few times because I would use one of my legs to brace myself to keep from falling over, but I wouldn’t do that until after contact is made. Doing that was kind of instinctive and it was a hard habit to break, but I was finally able to keep myself still and would end up on the ground a lot. (The trick was shutting your eyes at the last second.)
…so you’re telling me that, while I’m sure it was entertaining for everyone watching the game, getting knocked on my butt wasn’t necessary?

I certainly can't see any reason or justification to call a person for a moving pick if the movement is made after the contact.

[CTLaxer]

anychance we can verify the NFHS wording as to confirm or deny the same ruling as NCAA...my NFHS rulebook has long been lost.

[mmlaxplaya17]

Usually the refs give us a warning first then the second time they call it.

[laxfan25]

My $0.02. As LaxRef said, you need to make contact with the defender to have a moving pick (illegal offensive screen) violation.
What I am looking for on the field is that the picker does not lean to the side to catch the player, does not push into the defender as he comes in (although I do recognize the effort to brace yourself and will not typically call that), does not stick a leg out to catch the defender, and does not put his stick out to the side to catch the defender.

On the other side, when I see a pick upcoming, I'm watching the defender to see if he takes note of the pick and drives hard into the picker (such as dropping the shoulder), which would garner a 1 min unnecessary roughness call. A lot of players have the attitude that if you're going to try to pick me, I'm going to do my best to run you over, and that doesn't fly in my games.

[LaxRef]

anychance we can verify the NFHS wording as to confirm or deny the same ruling as NCAA...my NFHS rulebook has long been lost.

It's slightly different:

No offensive player shall move into and make contact with a defensive player with the purpose of blocking a defensive player from the man he is playing, nor shall the offensive player hold his crosse rigid or extend his crosse rigid to impede the normal movements of the defensive man. If contact is made between offensive and defensive players as a result of the offensive player's setting a screen, the offensive player shall be stationary before the contact occurs.

The NCAA changed the language to "motionless" at the behest of one of my colleagues to avoid confusion. I'd still call it exactly the same way; you'd have to try really hard to convince me that the NFHS thinks you can pick while being stationary but moving.

[mmlaxplaya17]

I don't mean to go off topic but what exactly does "my .02" mean? I have an idea but am not sure.

[Lacrosse Ref LA]

my 2 cents, in my opinion, my little nugget of wisdom, my experienced view, Y'know, my .02 !!