Getting into schools with ROTC

[laxbabe2121]

so this guy joey's at an interview right now at UVA for their ROTC program. There aren't many members that join ROTC and he's joining ROTC so that he can get into these better school. altho he doesn't have the grades for the school to get in through a regular desision. his parents both went to westpoint as with his brother, so i believe he has a good chance of going there. but does anyone else think its sorta stupid to start doing an activity just to get into a certain college? yes. this is the joey that still hasn't given me my gear back.

[laxfreghtrain]

well, the idea of joining an organization such as the ROTC isnt necessarily bad, however the ROTC has a big catch to it. for him to truly benefit from the ROTC and military, he will be required to join the armed forces for a few years. i might consider the same route (that is, joining an org. to get into a college), however, i wouldn't choose one that requires a committment

[Crack_Shot]

All ROTC programs, no matter what, require at least a 2 year commitment, and you MUST attend the Naval Academy at Annapolis or another collegiate equivalent with an approved ROTC program.

I feel that the ROTC is wrong on MORAL ground because you are basically bribing some kids (i.e.- Joey) to join the military just so they can get their right to higher education. :bs

[Snake~eyes]

Originally posted by Crack_Shot
I feel that the ROTC is wrong on MORAL ground because you are basically bribing some kids (i.e.- Joey) to join the military just so they can get their right to higher education. :bs
How is that bribing? If you don't want to join the military then you don't get the benefits? I don' t agree with you at all. They basically pay for you to go to college.

[TheKOB]

I wasn't aware that we had a right to higher education...does this end with a Bach. degree? I'd really like someone at Harvard to know about my right to get an MBA from there.....

[BuckWyld]

the gov gives everyone who serves money for college, it is called the GI bill. I don't see any problem with it, effectively you trade a few years of your life for ****ty pay and 40k in education.

[ScottyFlex]

I'm not sure, but I believe that ROTC alone won't get you into a good college, you need to meet the grades and test scores. ROTC is just an option to help pay for college and an avenue to enter into the military as enlisted a step ahead of other enlistees.

Although his parents went to Westpoint it really means nothing to UVA, and unless his parents are high ranking military officals, it won't mean much in the military either.

About doing a certain activity to get into college: most sports are exactly like that, that is the basis for many recruitments and acceptances based solely on sports ability rather than educational knowledge. However, I have yet to see many ROTC recruitments for non-military colleges.

[TheKOB]

Even with sports though, you have to meet academic requirements...officially.

I've never heard of someone getting recruited for ROTC. It's something to help you pay for college once you get there, not get into there. I've never heard of an ROTC program having any pull with admissions....

[newbie]

What's ROTC??

[TheKOB]

Reserve Officers Training Corps, a program by which students in college take military science classes and gain an officer's commission in the military with 2(?) years required service afte college in exchange for financial scholarships. I believe 3 out of four branches have them (all but Marines) but some campuses only have on or two ROTC programs, while others may have all three. For the Marines, you can go through a special program track within the Navy ROTC

[LaxGoalieLZ]

ROTC is pretty cool my brother is doin it hes getting a free ride plus he gets to be an officer straight out of college

[WarriorLax22]

if you can find a way to do something, do it.
"the ends justify the means" - Machiavelli

[laxstar003]

westpoint is the hardest school in the nation to get into. unless he has the grades, i doubt having his parents & brother attend will help him much.

[laxbabe2121]

well both his parents are high commanding officers. i can't remmeber what, but they're both working at the pentagon right now. umm his dad DOES have connections with WP, i know that, cuz his brother always talks about it. cocky sons of bleep bleep

[laxstar003]

yeah, i suppose if his dad has major connections still, that would help a lot. i hate that though -just 'cause your parents get in you get a break on your grades & can get in easily. :\

he doesn't need WP or good grades to be successful in the military, though. my dad's a colonel at the pentagon, & he didn't do so hot in high school & just went into ROTC.

[ScottyFlex]

westpoint is the hardest school in the nation to get into
No, its not. If you are refering to the "hardest military academy", then the Coast Guard Academy is number 1. (no joke)

And even if he gets into ROTC, I believe he still has to take the ASVAB.

he doesn't need WP or good grades to be successful in the military, though. my dad's a colonel at the pentagon, & he didn't do so hot in high school & just went into ROTC.
True, but graduating from college with a degree or from a military academy speaks volumes about your character. Sure, I know people who went in as non-coms and became officers, but its takes A LOT of work. And if you ever want to go from enlisted to officer, you still go thru many years of school (OCS for one). See a trend? Schooling is a major factor in the military, there is a ton of emphasis on education.

[laxbabe2121]

yea, i gotta agree with you, coast guard academy is def harder than west point. personally, i know he'll do poorly academically. he'd always cheat off of my homework assignments, and always just like takes other ppls assignments and copies that. what school do you go to scotty boy?

[laxstar003]

i don't know where you guys are getting your rankings from, but <a href="http://www.princetonreview.com/college/research/rankings/rankingDetails.asp?CategoryID=1&TopicID=10">here</a> is the princeton review list of toughest colleges to get into, & WP is ranked number one.

[laxbabe2121]

that's also based on alumni income. you have to think about what school is hardest to graduate out of. that's mostly the review on how hard it is to get into. and westpt only selects a few members. costal is ALOT more endurance and training, and getting into the nitty gritty. wow, i can't believe i just said that. i sound so southern.

[ScottyFlex]

The Princeton review is subjective.

USMA:
SAT I Verbal: 570-670
SAT I Math: 590-680
Degree-seeking undergrad enrollment: 4,200

USCGA:
SAT I Verbal: 580-670
SAT I Math: 610-680
Degree-seeking undergrad enrollment: 985

That is about a 3,000 people difference in the corps of cadets. Thats why its harder to get into USCGA: limited space.

I have also talked to admissions counselors from both, and I got the personal impression that Coast Guard was harder.

[laxstar003]

okay. you both bring up good points. overall, they're both very difficult to get into.

[laxfreghtrain]

Originally posted by TheKOB
Even with sports though, you have to meet academic requirements...officially.

I've never heard of someone getting recruited for ROTC. It's something to help you pay for college once you get there, not get into there. I've never heard of an ROTC program having any pull with admissions....


not necessarily. va tech alone has the right to a few two-year and at least one four-year scholarship. thats it, free ride, no questions asked

[Snake~eyes]

Originally posted by laxstar003
i doubt having his parents & brother attend will help him much.
Having family alumni helps greatly, just as it does for any college.