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[UNCdefense]

sorry the title is so broad, but there's a few thigns i need clarified:

1.when goalie is in crease they can't be touched...a guy on my team is outside of crease with his stick in the air(not touching though)....the goalie throws the ball, then follows through & hits our player on the head with his stick...ref calls it roughin the keeper or w/e, & we're man down...legit? :thinking:

2.this goalie(not the same one as ^) had a shaft that i swear at the longest was an attack shaft...it may have been even shorter......that's definitley illegal right? :nono:

3.rolling around crease, defender gets beat so he pushes the attackman from behind face first in to post, but attackman still scores...goal right?cause even though it was crease violation he was pushed

4.goes with #3...another game, same thing...this time the push was legal, it was like on shoulder basically, the ref took our goal saying as long as its a legal push then it's our fault basically, so he called it crease violation even though he was pushed in :banghead:


just so show you how incompetent these refs were of the game, at one point our other defender was pushing the attackmen out in a power v(thats what we call it...its where u use your arm & stick to get more power)..the attackmen grabbed his stick, & pushed it out of his way so he could run by & "attempt" to score(he didnt) but they still didnt call anything...& it wasnt even like we ende dup with the ball anyway, he missed cage & they backed up.......grrrr those guys make me so mad

[LaxRef]

sorry the title is so broad, but there's a few thigns i need clarified:

1.when goalie is in crease they can't be touched...a guy on my team is outside of crease with his stick in the air(not touching though)....the goalie throws the ball, then follows through & hits our player on the head with his stick...ref calls it roughin the keeper or w/e, & we're man down...legit? :thinking:

There's no such call as "roughing the keeper." I didn't see the play; maybe there was more to it than you saw (e.g., a cheap shot by the riding attackman after the goalie's pass). If it was as you describe it, no call.


2.this goalie(not the same one as ^) had a shaft that i swear at the longest was an attack shaft...it may have been even shorter......that's definitley illegal right? :nono:

A goalie stick may be 40 inches to 72 inches long total. Since a goalie head is longer than an attack head, a goalie can have a shaft that is shorter than an attack shaft and still be legal. When this happens, it often looks too short but is perfectly legal.

In any case, if your coach thought it was illegal, it's his responsibibility to ask for an equipment check on the goalie.

3.rolling around crease, defender gets beat so he pushes the attackman from behind face first in to post, but attackman still scores...goal right?cause even though it was crease violation he was pushed

No goal if the attackman is in the crease before the ball enters the goal, period. It doesn't matter what else happens, why he was in there, whether the defense commited 100 fouls on the play: if any part of an attacking player touches inside the crease or touches any part of the goal before the ball breaks the plane formed by the rear edges of the pipes, no goal can be scored.

If the ball was loose when your player was pushed, you get the ball outside the attack area. No time served unless the push was bad enough to be called IBC or UR.

(In fact, if the attacking player dives and lands in the crease after the ball breaks the plane, it's still no goal, but that's not relevant here.)

4.goes with #3...another game, same thing...this time the push was legal, it was like on shoulder basically, the ref took our goal saying as long as its a legal push then it's our fault basically, so he called it crease violation even though he was pushed in :banghead:

Absolutely correct! If you are pushed legally into the crease (or offsides or out of bounds), then it's your fault. No goal.

just so show you how incompetent these refs were of the game, at one point our other defender was pushing the attackmen out in a power v(thats what we call it...its where u use your arm & stick to get more power)..the attackmen grabbed his stick, & pushed it out of his way so he could run by & "attempt" to score(he didnt) but they still didnt call anything...& it wasnt even like we ende dup with the ball anyway, he missed cage & they backed up.......grrrr those guys make me so mad

First of all, did you play a mistake-free game? Of course not. Then why do you expect the officials to be mistake free? We just can't get every call right, nor can we see everything. Sometimes you'll have a better angle to see a violation than we do.

Secondly, you've leveled some harsh criticisms at the officials--essentially implying that they're idiots for getting the rules wrong--when in fact they had the rules right in most of the situations you describe. Need I point out that it is unfair for you to evaluate the officials on rules knowledge if you don't know the rules yourself?

However, the good news is that you've found us! If you keep posting questions and reading our responses, you'll be up to speed on the rules in no time. Personally, I'd prefer it if you just aked the questions without making it seem like the officials were dumb, but mostly we'd just like to hear good questions!

[UNCdefense]

ya, i tried to keep it cool in most the questions then lost control at the end, they just ticked me off...my bad, thanks for clarifying all that up

just to be sure though i could have sworn with crease violations as long as the ball left their crosse before they were in crease it was a goal....i guess not though??u said it had to be in goal before they broke crease?

[LaxRef]

ya, i tried to keep it cool in most the questions then lost control at the end, they just ticked me off...my bad, thanks for clarifying all that up

just to be sure though i could have sworn with crease violations as long as the ball left their crosse before they were in crease it was a goal....i guess not though??u said it had to be in goal before they broke crease?

Yes, I did. Here's the rule:

Under the following conditions, a goal shall be disallowed:
c. When the ball passes through the plane of the goal and when any part of the body of a player of the attacking team is in the goal-crease area at the time.

[UNCdefense]

alright, thanks dude & sorry about blowing up on refs, i have a temper......today our "challenged" goalie(as in his weak spot is the 6x6 area inside of cage) nocked the ball in himself, thereafter i dented my ignite OPTRA severley on the side of cage, something i seriously regret now

[LaxRef]

alright, thanks dude & sorry about blowing up on refs, i have a temper......today our "challenged" goalie(as in his weak spot is the 6x6 area inside of cage) nocked the ball in himself, thereafter i dented my ignite OPTRA severley on the side of cage, something i seriously regret now

Just so you know, if I saw a defenseman slash the goal in that situation there'd be a flag for a USC or conduct foul.