Carbon Fiber Heads?

[NF Lax23----<o)]

Has anyone ever seen or heard about carbon fiber heads. Besides the uglyness, I think it would be awsome to make a head out of (light, strong, durable). Or is there a reason no ones done this yet, but even if it came out it would proabably be regrded as a gimmick in the way kevlar shafts were.

[bloodilax977]

Wow. You know, I never thought of that. I don't think any carbon fiber heads have been released. but some may be in the works. Thats a great idea, and could probobly work very well. I would send a letter to a lacrosse company of your choice if I were you.

[mdawg]

well harrows making a one piece stick called the hemi for mens lax. same idea as the one piece girls stick. the head on that stick would be kind of like a kevlar/carbom head. it probably will haev some on it actually.

[slinkyspine]

you know what in light of a carbon shaft why not make a homemade one

[lax4life6]

it wouldnt last very long i dont think. maybe combine it with something else but carbon isnt all that resistant by itself. although i saw pics of a one piece black dragon goalie stick a while back

[shoebag2000]

I'm pretty sure that carbon fiber wouldnt work for that complex of a shape. Carbon composite maybe, well definitley, since they make them already. But I doubt CF would work for a head.Since it is a cloth, and it would have to be a 3-dimensional surface, you wouldn't be able to make the right shape, or if you could, it would be really hard and the cost would negate the effectiveness of the head.

[MainLax28]

The other thing it that CF is rigid, so it would be brittle. Your head flexes alot more than you notice, and it is a key factor for some positions. I do think that if you made a homemade one it would be pretty cool

[slinkyspine]

maybe get like a ministick and form carbon around it till its a good size. i dont mean little ministicks theres some that are box legal and just carbon those and cus the plastic in areas to make it big enough but i paly box so it won't be a problem if i was to make one.

[shoebag2000]

I just realized it might be possible to make a homemade one, although it would probably be pretty ugly, because you wouldnt have to do open sidewalls, since it would be so light. You might have a tough time getting holes for the stringing without compromising strength though. Also, good luck getting the neck to be the exact size of a shaft.

[Se7eN]

It may be too light. Iknow, i know, noone ever hears about too light. But you'd have to have no whip and no hold in order for it to not hit the ground, cus ur arm would come around so much faster.

[CougarLax07]

do u think it could bend enough for faceoffs?

[shoebag2000]

Why would you want a flexible head for faceoffs?

[MainLax28]

If you were to make one, I would imagine you could just do the head with no holes, all CF, this is when the pinch would be formed, and then you'd have to mark out holes and drill them by hand. You could even saw out the sidewalls if you wanted to. The hardest pert would definately be the neck

[shoebag2000]

I'm pretty sure that drilling holes in it would give it weak spots, and I'm positive that sawing out the sidewalls would compromise the strength so much that you could snap it easily with your bare hands.

[Liv4LaX]

I'm pretty sure that drilling holes in it would give it weak spots, and I'm positive that sawing out the sidewalls would compromise the strength so much that you could snap it easily with your bare hands.

yea ur right but on the womens 1 peice from harrow there were no cut out sidewalls and besides i can break a head with my barehands now...its not that hard

[Lax101]

Besides the uglyness, I think it would be awsome to make a head out of (light, strong, durable). Or is there a reason no ones done this yet, but even if it came out it would proabably be regrded as a gimmick in the way kevlar shafts were.
http://lacrosseforums.com/showthread.php?t=13471
http://lacrosseforums.com/showthread.php?t=22205
The Wonder of Search

[D Bay]

a carbon fiber head would most likely not work out for these reasons-

Very Brittle

Not very resilient

Could be pricey

[NF Lax23----<o)]

Lax101, I saw those threads and they both discussed whether a CF head would be practical. I was wondering if it was possible or if it had ever been done.

Sadly, I have neither the time nor money to make a homemade CF head. But if someone were, I thik that you should roughly folloow these steps.
1. Draw out the what the final product will look like
A. Straight sidewalls would probably be easiest.
B. Find a stick with straight sidewalls, ex: the Warrior Odessey http://img436.imageshack.us/img436/6247/odessey8hh.th.jpg (http://img436.imageshack.us/my.php?image=odessey8hh.jpg)
and measure sidewall height/width scoop dimensions, face deminsions, etc.
C. A straight scoop would also probably be easiest.
2. Measure the diameter(not sure if thats the right measure) of the shaft you want to put it on.
A. A classic grip shaft would probably be easiest.
B. Make the diameter of the head about a millimeter bigger than the shaft.
C. Draw a view of the head as if you were looking down into the throat with all the correct measurements.
3.Scoop
A. Find the angle of the scoop when touching the ground as if picking up a ground ball.
B. No string protecting ridge is needed because the stick will most liking not be used very much.
C. Find the thickness of the scoop at its widest point.

4.Sidewalls
A. Solid sidewalls would probably be easiest.
B. Find he tickest point of the sidewall
C. Should be the thickest part of the head, as it has to be the strongest.
5. Stringing Holes
A.NO IDEA, feel free to contribute
6. Ranodm Ideas
A. For the sake of shaping everything out of CF sheets the parts maybe should be made seperalty then attached later with extra shgeets of CF for rienforcment at breakage points (sidewall to scoop, sidewall to thoat, etc.)
B. For a mold maybe find a way to make like two halves of a box one with each half of a head molded out and lay the CF sheets in and pour the resin in.


Honeslty, I pretty sure yo would need some high tech machinary to do this stuff. But if someone did, man that would be awsome and TLF would officially be able to say we made the first CF head. Also feel free to contibute any ides as it took me about 20 minutes just to think about designing the head.

AT LEAST WE CAN DREAM!!!

[SDPirate]

I'm pretty sure that carbon fiber wouldnt work for that complex of a shape. Carbon composite maybe, well definitley, since they make them already. But I doubt CF would work for a head.Since it is a cloth, and it would have to be a 3-dimensional surface, you wouldn't be able to make the right shape, or if you could, it would be really hard and the cost would negate the effectiveness of the head.


very good point. it would be somewhat like what they do to make surfboards.

i would think in theory then that you could make the head out of a more lightweight material that might not be very durable and then lay the cloth somewhat like a surfboard. but it would be very pricey

[vroom125]

A CF head wouldn't be flexible. A lot of people like flexible heads for faceoffs. I don't think a lot of people would buy it.