Sac le bleu! Riots in the Streets

[ColtsLax]

Well, france has been getting what the deserve for the last 7 days, :nahya: and im happy as a freakin clam here in Freehold. And i like the comments by the Minister of Interior, calling them all scum. what was he thinking? :thinking: Looks like a socialist form of gov't isnt so awesome after all. Looks like they have crime and poverty after all. Look like someone got kicked in the nuts. stings when its your side, doesnt it, You FROGS. :hot:
but thats just me :naughty:
what do you guys think

[SDPirate]

ive a;lways wanted to be part of a riot. or a revolution.

its my life long goal.

[laxrat22]

haha silly french police thinking they can stop a riot without using violence, how naive. i've been through a few of these neighborhoods where they are rioting and its pretty bad. lots of poverty. i heard that the unimployment rate for the french muslims is like 35 or 40% not a good situation over there. vive le freedom fries

[marflax33]

vive le freedom fries

lol i havent heard that in a while. But france has had something like that coming. All they do is sit around and spend money they dont have.

[enjoi]

Well, france has been getting what the deserve for the last 7 days, :nahya: and im happy as a freakin clam here in Freehold. And i like the comments by the Minister of Interior, calling them all scum. what was he thinking? :thinking: Looks like a socialist form of gov't isnt so awesome after all. Looks like they have crime and poverty after all. Look like someone got kicked in the nuts. stings when its your side, doesnt it, You FROGS. :hot:
but thats just me :naughty:
what do you guys think
Now. How many riots has the U.S. had in the last 40 years or so? How many has France had?

Do i really need to say more? I mean i can name the Democratic Convention riots, hundreds of race riots, the L.A. riots...

What you are saying is a moot point about socialism because ALL countries have riots. Regardless of political system.

[marflax33]

Now. How many riots has the U.S. had in the last 40 years or so? How many has France had?

Do i really need to say more? I mean i can name the Democratic Convention riots, hundreds of race riots, the L.A. riots...

What you are saying is a moot point about socialism because ALL countries have riots. Regardless of political system.

actually i think that its actually a big deal because the french people will take advantage of the no violence thing if they're mad enough.

[GeorgiaMiddie2]

vive le freedom fries
What a freakin joke... even bush's idiot crap is stollen from presidents past (ie freedom cabbage).

Anyhow, who can really criticize the rioting french? It's a riot, it's what people do when they feel as though they're being treated unfairly... they revolt. In fact, it's what our nation was founded on... the ability of the common man to revolt and overthrow government if they feel government is not doing its job. I give em a pat on the back for standing up for themselves finallly, although i feel like they could be using a more effective method of getting their voices... that's the only thing i disagree with. Burning down a country isn't gonna make the government want to listen very much.

[ColtsLax]

yeah, we have riots, but i think its funny because Socialist gov'ts always say how much better they are, and how they dont have poverty and everyone gets along. Well now we see what its really like over there

[stegmakk]

yeah, we have riots, but i think its funny because Socialist gov'ts always say how much better they are, and how they dont have poverty and everyone gets along. Well now we see what its really like over there
and we are SOOOOO much better... :WTF:

[TheKOB]

I think this shows two things....

First, Europe is not perfect. I'd bet that the reason that we've had so many more riots is because we're more of a melting pot than Europe...much more multicultural. We also know how to deal with it. What would've happened if the Sec of State had called all the black people in LA scum? Say what you will about race relations in the US, but we're better at it because we've had more practice.

Also, our riots seem to be more justified (or at least as justified as a riot can be). Yeah, it's pretty obvious that it was mainly people wanting to steal stuff, but France's riot was because two police officers were chasing two muslim kids. The kids ran into an electrical station (or something like that) and were electrocuted. The families of the idiots said the popos meant to chase them in there to be killed. I think I heard the french police say that they didn't even chase them (which lead to a whole bunch of jokes about french people surrendering from me). Europe is remarkably segregated and racism runs rampent (just ask the Turks in Germany or the Muslims in France).

How many riots would we have if we were an all lily white society? Pretty much none... but we'd pay for it by our lack of cultural diversity making us into a second class country. Different cultures bring in new ideas, new ways of doing things, and new food. Can you imagine a place without General Tso's Chicken? It would be horrible.

So enough of this "America is such a bad place". We have our problems, but probably less than our share of 'em considering our population make up and size.

[TheKOB]

Just found this article on MSN....

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9891709/

This makes it seem a lot worse than a lot the US has seen....

"LE BLANC MESNIL, France - Small, mobile groups of youths hit Paris’ riot-shaken suburbs with waves of arson attacks, torching hundreds of cars, as unrest entered its second week Friday and spread to other towns in France."

[Thrillhouse]

People riot in the US because they need new Flat screen TV’s, DVD players, and other expensive electronics.

These people are rioting because the police are cracking down on drug trafficking.
Given the reason for these riots, does anyone find it ironic that they set 420 cars on fire?

Props to France for not surrendering yet...

[TheKOB]

People riot in the US because they need new Flat screen TV’s, DVD players, and other expensive electronics.

These people are rioting because the police are cracking down on drug trafficking.
Given the reason for these riots, does anyone find it ironic that they set 420 cars on fire?

Props to France for not surrendering yet...

How dare you insult those too poor to own flat screen tv's and expensive cars. You obviously have them (along with a yacht) and want to oppress others from rising up to where you are financially. You dang oil-baron-software-billionare white person. Just because people don't have the money to pay for something doesn't mean that they should be denied their right to it....

Well dang...any of you guys wanna meet in Timonium MD some weekend? We could start a riot near LaxWorld. I need me a CPX....

[Liv4LaX]

lol riot at lax world haha...but france is gettin wat it deserves.....but hey i shot a harrow goalue shaft k?

[Frndlefire]

what's with all these "france getting what they deserve" comments....?

[enjoi]

what's with all these "france getting what they deserve" comments....?
I know right? Anyone want to explain what economic injustice they did?

[Liv4LaX]

idk about economic injustice but they are a very sketchy nation. i personaly dont feel like typin my whole theory on them right now but in short they back stabbed the U.S.....we have helped and baled them out of problems for soo long and then they baled on us when we asked for help....plus french people smell lol jk

[laxrat22]

now i know i was quite young during the rodney king riots, but didn't it start basically the same way, just more justified. it didn't start because people wanted tv's, it just happened that they got them during it

[twin58]

... comments by the Minister of Interior, calling them all scum. what was he thinking? :thinking: Looks like a socialist form of gov't isnt so awesome after all.

what do you guys think

That some sources are covering the event better than others.

The French TV news show "20 Heures" is shown nightly at 7 p.m. in northern Virginia on channel 56 (http://www.mhznetworks.org/programming/shows/251). It's a hard station to get, but I try to watch "20 Heures" when I can. "20 Heures" is also available from sea to shining sea right here in the good ol' US of A on at least one of the satellite TV services. The website is France 2: site de la chaîne de télévision (http://www.france2.fr/).

For background information on France, see the CIA Factbook for France. (http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/fr.html) Scroll down to the Government (http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/fr.html#Govt) section to learn more about the various political parties there.

President Jacques Chirac (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacques_Chirac), is a member of the rightist Union pour un Mouvement Populaire (UMP) party (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_for_a_Popular_Movement), which includes the old RPR party.

The Interior Minister, Nicolas Sarkozy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolas_Sarkozy), is also a member of the rightist UMP party.

Further discussion, more than can be justified at TLF, can be found at Wikipedia entry, Politics of France (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_France).

By the way, it's "sacre bleu."

[BTlaxripper]

What a freakin joke... even bush's idiot crap is stollen from presidents past (ie freedom cabbage).



You honestly don't believe it was Bush's idea to change the name do you? :crazy: :agree:

[NC-LACROSSE]

REVOLUTION RIOT NEW BEGINING THE ESSENSE OF CHANG THE GREAT AMERICAN LEGACY THE POWER OF INDEPENDECE BREAKING AWAY THE MOST PHSICODELIC AWSOMIST MOST BEST THING ON EARRTH...ya its cool.

[BTlaxripper]

The French are very... odd.

Everytime they have the slightest disagreement with the government
"REVOLUTIONNE!!!!! MES AMIS! VIVE LA FRANCAIS!!!"
::riot, yelling, grumbling::
"OK, time to draft constitution #6829"

[NC-LACROSSE]

i think btlaxripper has a point but one thing if french have revolutions and there goverment is unstable wat if another country trys and seizes them and then thell be a world war 3(very unlikly i might add) and the U.S will have to save everyones butts with our giant army and over inflated heads and nukes(im not an anti american i just think we get involved to easily excluding peral harbor and september 11)

[twin58]

vive le freedom fries

Whoops. The guy who came up with that has come to the conclusion that he was bamboozled by the White House propaganda machine.

French fries protester regrets war jibe (http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1491567,00.html)

Jamie Wilson in Washington
Wednesday May 25, 2005
The Guardian

It was a culinary rebuke that echoed around the world, heightening the sense of tension between Washington and Paris in the run-up to the invasion of Iraq. But now the US politician who led the campaign to change the name of french fries to "freedom fries" has turned against the war.

Walter Jones, the Republican congressman for North Carolina who was also the brains behind french toast becoming freedom toast in Capitol Hill restaurants, told a local newspaper the US went to war "with no justification".

[twin58]

what's with all these "france getting what they deserve" comments....?

I know right? Anyone want to explain what economic injustice they did?

The U. S. military might want to know too.

Support to the Global War on Terror (Operation Enduring Freedom) (http://www.centcom.mil/Operations/Coalition/Coalition_pages/france.htm)

Historical perspective:

....
As soon as United Nations Security Council Resolution 1378 was issued on 18 October 2001, France forces were sent in Afghanistan. Since October 21 [2001], French reconnaissance aircraft and air tankers have contributed to the air campaign. They were reinforced between the winter of 2001 and the summer of 2002 by French naval aviation forces and French air force transport planes and fighters. Indeed, France was the first country, along with the United States, to have flown bombing missions over Afghanistan in direct support of American ground troops. French forces arrived on the ground as early as 2 December 2001, securing Mazar-e-Sharif.

In total, some 5,500 French service members were sent to the region.

[TheKOB]

Maybe because they're one of the countries that was profiting illegally along with russia and oh yeah, the UN on the Oil For Food debacle, and always seem to be anti-US and anti-everyone else...

[ColtsLax]

the reason behind the "gets what they deserve" comments might having something to do with using LIVE dogs as shark bait, but thats just me. Also, no one hears about how they are helping us in the war, just how they are lowballing us, with thier anti american comments

[TheKOB]

Who else is surprised France has a military with actual weapons instead of just a large cache of white flags?

[enjoi]

the reason behind the "gets what they deserve" comments might having something to do with using LIVE dogs as shark bait, but thats just me. Also, no one hears about how they are helping us in the war, just how they are lowballing us, with thier anti american comments
1. They don't have to like us.
2. They don't have to owe us anything technically.
3. I think the shark as dog bait thing was fake.

[slinkyspine]

1. They don't have to like us.
2. They don't have to owe us anything technically.
3. I think the shark as dog bait thing was fake.

1. agree
2. agree
3. disagree complety it was in the paper here.
4. they like us.

[Mrmccoolsatool]

Ah ze damn govermente, RIOT!! But im le tired. Zen take a nap, ZEN RIOT!!

[laxrat22]

Ah ze damn govermente, RIOT!! But im le tired. Zen take a nap, ZEN RIOT!!

YES!!!!!! i love it

and australia's like "wtf mate"

[Frndlefire]

... just how they are lowballing us, with thier anti american comments
I've actually been to France twice and the sentiments are not anti-american, but anti-current administration. I never had anyone anyone haggle me because I wore an american flag on my backpack, but it did get me in a few political debates. I dont know. I think we get very selective stories and examples over here which help make France seem like some snooty, anti-american country, which it isn't.

[laxrat22]

I've actually been to France twice and the sentiments are not anti-american, but anti-current administration. I never had anyone anyone haggle me because I wore an american flag on my backpack, but it did get me in a few political debates. I dont know. I think we get very selective stories and examples over here which help make France seem like some snooty, anti-american country, which it isn't.

ya i'd have to agree with you. i think the snootiest people were the spanish, at least of the places i went. i stayed with a french family for a few days and it was the summer before the election and every night on the news they would have an updated on kerry's campaign and my homestay dad (as we called him) would always say (in his funny accent) " jean kerry, ze new presidant of america" it was the most english he could string together. haha oh the irony

[Encyclopedia]

I know right? Anyone want to explain what economic injustice they did?

Do you enjoy beating grade school kids at kickball, too?

[aussielax]

YES!!!!!! i love it

and australia's like "wtf mate"

Ah it always comes back to the end of the world.

We have had two riots in the past two years in australia both caused by the same kind of thing that caused these riot's so these Riot's aren't icolated to France.

[enjoi]

Do you enjoy beating grade school kids at kickball, too?
I'm not following you on that.

I think its time their government call up the French Foreign Legion. They could clean this up pretty fast i assume.

[Frndlefire]

the french foreign legion are badass

[enjoi]

1. Stop swearing
2. laxgoalieking - stop flaming the people from the U.S., we are not rednecks and frankly TLF doesn't take much to racial insults of any race. So shut up.
3. Stop swearing.

thank you.

[BTlaxripper]

Why do people feel like the best way to voice their opinion is through rioting? It just makes people not want to listen to you.

I heard a statistic that Muslims make up 8% of France, and by 2050 they could be the largest group in France!

That is crazy...

the influx is due to them leaving former French colonies in Africa, and going to a country they are familiar with.

Rioting doesn't make people want to respect you and it doesn't end racism.
Although Jacques Chirac wants to make peace with them, he's a coward.

I say squash the rebellion once and for all, then compromise... never give in to somebody violently challenging your authority.

And France is a socialist country, where everybody gets equal things, so I don't know why they are arguing... just because they are unemployed? Yeah, happens to everybody, I hope you don't think you're the first person to ever be without a job and having to alter your lifestyle because of it.

And people wonder why France is messed up.

[TheKOB]

Alright guys;

I don't see how you can uphold groups like the NAACP, affirmative action, etc, and not support the "oppresed" muslims in France. The only difference is that things in France for Muslims seem a lot worse than things in the US for blacks....

[enjoi]

France needs to send in the Foreign Legion, like now. Thats the only resolution i can see.

But in one good thing, only 1 person has died so far i believe.

[roycegracie47]

Alright guys;

I don't see how you can uphold groups like the NAACP, affirmative action, etc, and not support the "oppresed" muslims in France. The only difference is that things in France for Muslims seem a lot worse than things in the US for blacks....
Same exact problem is going on in Germany concerning the influx of Turkish immigrants, with the exception of rioting, though that could be growing as well. Many fear the problem could escalate to the rise in popularity of certain groups who support say, Mein Kampf as their soapbox.

The situation in France isn't helped by the comments made by recent officials who saw contempt for the various groups living in the slums prior to the rioting. Very, very reminiscent of the Paris Youth Riots of '68, which also stemmed from "lack of recognition."

[TheKOB]

France needs to send in the Foreign Legion, like now. Thats the only resolution i can see.

But in one good thing, only 1 person has died so far i believe.

The FL isn't nearly as balls out as they used to be. I did a google search and it seems to be a smaller version of our Marine Corps without the sophisticated equipment and varied training.

[TheKOB]

double post, please delete...

[Thrillhouse]

The FL isn't nearly as balls out as they used to be. I did a google search and it seems to be a smaller version of our Marine Corps without the sophisticated equipment and varied training.
You can say that again!

[TheKOB]

You can say that again!

I'm tempted to repost a third time...

[WAXmyLAX]

lol i havent heard that in a while. But france has had something like that coming. All they do is sit around and spend money they dont have.As if we don't? The US is 8 TRILLION dollars in debt. Say the US does something to piss off China or some other country that has loaned us money (which is likely), they can simply call for it back, which would lead us to an economic crash. And besides the absence of lacrosse (at least in the part of Paris near the Eiffel Tower where I spent two weeks) Paris is a nice place. I hate it when people critisize France when they've never even been there. :guns:

[WAXmyLAX]

For all those who believe that France changes governments at the drop of a hat (whether they do or not) and support sending the FL in, think of it as mass rioting in New York City, then sending the Marines to duke out gun battles throughout the city. That would take forever...

[laxrat22]

As if we don't? The US is 8 TRILLION dollars in debt. Say the US does something to piss off China or some other country that has loaned us money (which is likely), they can simply call for it back, which would lead us to an economic crash. And besides the absence of lacrosse (at least in the part of Paris near the Eiffel Tower where I spent two weeks) Paris is a nice place. I hate it when people critisize France when they've never even been there. :guns:

ya thats tourist paris, of course it's going to be nice. but the parisian suburbs are big time slums. its not all romance, wine, and fine art over there

[Frndlefire]

ya thats tourist paris, of course it's going to be nice. but the parisian suburbs are big time slums. its not all romance, wine, and fine art over there
You're right, Paris is extremely overrated and is just a French Chicago...but his point is no less valid because he went to the Louvre instead of chilling in the slums.

[ColtsLax]

so what do you suggest, we let the city burn? You have to send the marines in to atleast blockade the rioters into a particular section and not allow them to spread

[WHEELAX2]

Well, france has been getting what the deserve for the last 7 days, :nahya: and im happy as a freakin clam here in Freehold. And i like the comments by the Minister of Interior, calling them all scum. what was he thinking? :thinking: Looks like a socialist form of gov't isnt so awesome after all. Looks like they have crime and poverty after all. Look like someone got kicked in the nuts. stings when its your side, doesnt it, You FROGS. :hot:
but thats just me :naughty:
what do you guys think


not so sure that anyone or any society deserves something this bad...

has anyone else noticed that the world seems especially chaotic lately..

natural disasters, government unrest, wars, etc.....

the stuff is hitting the perverbial fan..

[TheKOB]

ya thats tourist paris, of course it's going to be nice. but the parisian suburbs are big time slums. its not all romance, wine, and fine art over there

Yeah, you forget the beautiful french people :rofl:

[dpolehh21]

Maybe it wasnt such a bad thing that the French never got involved in the war? If they cant handle a bunch of Frenchies burning cars Id hate to see what would happen had they tried to stop insurgents with RPGs and automatic weapons...
well the US cant do it either so I guess your right.

[WAXmyLAX]

Nice, dpole. And there is in fact a difference between killing your own citizens and foriegn terrorists. Besides, the citizens aren't killing anyone (just one has died as a result of rioting). And have you thought that sending the FL would just fuel the fire, creating a call to arms for the rioteers? Yeah...

[James]

Now. How many riots has the U.S. had in the last 40 years or so? How many has France had?

Do i really need to say more? I mean i can name the Democratic Convention riots, hundreds of race riots, the L.A. riots...

What you are saying is a moot point about socialism because ALL countries have riots. Regardless of political system.
yah you may think we have riots more then them but i would bet that they have just as many for the population( or a little less) . Do you think that a riot at michigan state university is going to make french national headlines( or similar riots), I think not. It has to be a big riot for us to hear about one in Fance.♣

[LaXiN22]

yah you may think we have riots more then them but i would bet that they have just as many for the population( or a little less) . Do you think that a riot at michigan state university is going to make french national headlines( or similar riots), I think not. It has to be a big riot for us to hear about one in Fance.♣
Yeah, thats for sure.

[jedimasterPIMP]

Ok I'm gonna say something that will probably get me in a lot of troubule with people but oh well. The muslims cause a good portion of the problems in the world. Think about it.

[laxrat22]

You're right, Paris is extremely overrated and is just a French Chicago...but his point is no less valid because he went to the Louvre instead of chilling in the slums.

i never said paris was overrated. paris is my favorite city in the world, that i've been to. its just a typical big tourist city. the part where most of the tourist go is is nice, like around notre dame, eiffel tower, and champs elysee (i cant spell in french) that main part of the city is beautiful, because its where the tourists go so the government makes sure its kept up. but like every major city it has it slums, and not many tourists see that. i'm sure not many people visit L.A. and go to compton or inglewood.

[WAXmyLAX]

Not just Muslims, but anytime a church faction tries to take over something or another, (such as the Catholic church tried to take over governments in the middle ages)...

[WHEELAX2]

christian americans cause a lot of problems..

[RockStar]

christian americans cause a lot of problems..

Yup, some sure do with a number of issues. Truth be told, all flavours of fundamentalism suck.

As for the issue of the riots, I cannot believe what I'm reading from some of you!

You may have a valid opinion in disagreeing with France's government model and foreign policy.

No matter that, how the hell can you find any joy in the fact that radical Muslims are sacking and burning a civilized western society?????

How the hell can you argue that France is getting what it deserves?????

IMO, it takes a special kind of arse-hole to rejoice in the misfortune of others.

[dpolehh21]

I think its safe to say RELIGION causes all world problems. Thats right every conflict has roots in religion.

[jedimasterPIMP]

Yeah i do agree that other religons cause a world of problems, but let me explain myself. On the world scene Muslims cause a lot of problems. Problems in Sudan are related to the Muslims, the whole problem in the middle east is becase of the Muslims and now Muslims are causing problems in France. Im not anti-Islam in any way im just making an observation.

[ColtsLax]

they are a very organized fundamentalist movement. its actually scary. if the crusades had been this organized, things might be very different today

[Frndlefire]

Yeah i do agree that other races cause a world of problems. but let me explain myself. On the world scene blacks cause a lot of problems. Problems in Sudan are related to the blacks, the whole problem in the south is becase of the blacks and now blacks are causing problems in France. Im not racist in any way im just making an observation.
If this is what you said you know we would run you out of town...

[TheKOB]

If this is what you said you know we would run you out of town...

Race does cause problems too. No doubt about it.

As for religion, you gotta wonder two things....

Why muslim extremists make up the grand majority of the world's terrorists

Why the media doesn't really mention that practially all the rioters in France are muslim. Nope, they're just immigrant youth.

[TweeK]

Yeah i do agree that other religons cause a world of problems, but let me explain myself. On the world scene Muslims cause a lot of problems. Problems in Sudan are related to the Muslims, the whole problem in the middle east is becase of the Muslims and now Muslims are causing problems in France. Im not anti-Islam in any way im just making an observation.

Thats why France is deportating anyone (Pretty much muslims) out of the country and i think thats what they should do before all of France and then Europe becomes like Jerusalem.

[aussielax]

Thats why France is deportating anyone (Pretty much muslims) out of the country and i think thats what they should do before all of France and then Europe becomes like Jerusalem.

So what beacuse some Muslims go on a riot in Paris (and a few other cities) Muslim's that haven't done anything are going to get deported that is stupid and Racist.

[laxgoalieking]

the fact is that muslims in france dont do any thing the majority is unempleyed they dont help the economy in any way they do need tobe deported for the good of frances economy, french citizens, other eurpoean countries, and the good of the contenent all togther. they are a danger to french citizens, think do people in slums own cars?no they steal and blow up the cars of the wealthier citizne sputting their lives in danger. altoghter i agree with tweek that the muslim or imigrants from northern affrica in a whole need to be deported or at least moved to an issolated section of france or europe, but of your going to do that you might as well send them back to the mother land. that goes with every race not just muslims, but jews, orientals and every other race as well.

[TheKOB]

the fact is that muslims in france dont do any thing the majority is unempleyed they dont help the economy in any way they do need tobe deported for the good of frances economy, french citizens, other eurpoean countries, and the good of the contenent all togther. they are a danger to french citizens, think do people in slums own cars?no they steal and blow up the cars of the wealthier citizne sputting their lives in danger. altoghter i agree with tweek that the muslim or imigrants from northern affrica in a whole need to be deported or at least moved to an issolated section of france or europe, but of your going to do that you might as well send them back to the mother land.

Can we do this with poor people too?

[laxgoalieking]

thats just it they are the poor people in france and if poor people start riots and are "reffugges" or"imigrants" then yes if not then we can always put them in a detention center thats why when canada has its election in the spring im gonna run as an independant. and be the first mp that isnt even old enough to get their drivers license.

[aussielax]

the fact is that muslims in france dont do any thing the majority is unempleyed they dont help the economy in any way they do need tobe deported for the good of frances economy, french citizens, other eurpoean countries, and the good of the contenent all togther. they are a danger to french citizens, think do people in slums own cars?no they steal and blow up the cars of the wealthier citizne sputting their lives in danger. altoghter i agree with tweek that the muslim or imigrants from northern affrica in a whole need to be deported or at least moved to an issolated section of france or europe, but of your going to do that you might as well send them back to the mother land.

That is a stupid idea, Have you really though about it because if you had you would probly know that most of the people causeing trouble were born in France they may be of North African background but they were French born French citizen's, So were are you going to deport them to? France is there homland now and nobody has the right to deport them. And why should Hard-Working law abiding Muslim French people be punished they have commited no crime except being the same race or relgion as the Rioter's.

Oh yeah and scense you thing all North-African French people should be deported, Should White french people who are not contributing to society and having a negative effect on the frech economy be deported aswell.

[laxgoalieking]

That is a stupid idea, Have you really though about it because if you had you would probly know that most of the people causeing trouble were born in France they may be of North African background but they were French born French citizen's, So were are you going to deport them to? France is there homland now and nobody has the right to deport them. And why should Hard-Working law abiding Muslim French people be punished they have commited no crime except being the same race or relgion as the Rioter's.

Oh yeah and scense you thing all North-African French people should be deported, Should White french people who are not contributing to society and having a negative effect on the frech economy be deported aswell.
ARE YOU A TOOL?

no the people causeing the problems are immigrants not people born in france, and i dont know how u do it in australia but how do you deport someone to their motherland when they live in their mother land? and look at the statistics the majority of unemployed people in france are immagrants, if you dont deport every immagrant then you will just be causeing an even bigger problem because they will find ways back intp the counrty and cause riots and a much more bigger scale, not just blowing up xcars and turning over busses but kiiling and raping as weel. you emmigrate to a country to make life better for yopurself not make life worse for everyone.

[aussielax]

ARE YOU A TOOL?

no the people causeing the problems are immigrants not people born in france, and i dont know how u do it in australia but how do you deport someone to their motherland when they live in their mother land? and look at the statistics the majority of unemployed people in france are immagrants, if you dont deport every immagrant then you will just be causeing an even bigger problem because they will find ways back intp the counrty and cause riots and a much more bigger scale, not just blowing up xcars and turning over busses but kiiling and raping as weel. you emmigrate to a country to make life better for yopurself not make life worse for everyone.

No i'm not a TOOL. And could i see those Stat's about the french unemployement?. And did you ever think about why these people don't have job's maybe they don't have any skills? because they aren't just lazy and perhaps if they were trained to have skill's they could get job's perhaps that is why the French govt is going to spent billion's on job training for people from the neighborhood's were this happend, I think that is a much better idea than just kicking everyone out.

[laxgoalieking]

No i'm not a TOOL. And could i see those Stat's about the french unemployement?. And did you ever think about why these people don't have job's maybe they don't have any skills? because they aren't just lazy and perhaps if they were trained to have skill's they could get job's perhaps that is why the French govt is going to spent billion's on job training for people from the neighborhood's were this happend, I think that is a much better idea than just kicking everyone out.
well i think buying hooked on phonix is a good investment.
why is it the goverments job to provide post secondary education to immigrants(the only case of goverment totaly paying for college is with the native americans in canada, and thats not even one 10000000th of what we owe them after taking their land and forcing them onto reserves), in every other country in the world people have to pay for their college or university so why should immigrants be different? and if they do do that think of the flood of people libed up at their border to get a free post secondary eduacation.

[Hooligan]

Play nice people. If you can't, you won't be playing in this thread at all.

Fair warning.

[twin58]

... the media doesn't really mention that practially all the rioters in France are muslim. Nope, they're just immigrant youth.

Thats why France is deportating anyone (Pretty much muslims) out of the country....

Those committing the violence are mostly youths, but they are not immigrants. Their parents immigrated to France, but in most cases, the rioters were born in France. They are French citizens.

Rage of French Youth Is a Fight for Recognition (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/05/AR2005110501515.html?sub=AR)

The youths rampaging through France's poorest neighborhoods are the French-born children of African and Arab immigrants, the most neglected of the country's citizens. A large percentage are members of the Muslim community that accounts for about 10 percent of France's 60 million people.

In his appearance before the National Assembly on Wednesday, Interior Minister Sarkozy declared that foreigners guilty of rioting would be deported. The act of deportation would not, therefore, affect large numbers of rioters.

Here is a link to an article I've seen highly recommended elsewhere. The author criticizes French politicians from both the left and the right.

WHY IS FRANCE BURNING? The rebellion of a lost generation (http://direland.typepad.com/direland/2005/11/why_is_france_b.html#comment-10946022)

... I have not been surprised by this tsunami of inchoate youth rebellion that is engulfing France. It is the result of thirty years of government neglect: of the failure of the French political classes -- of both right and left -- to make any serious effort to integrate its Muslim and black populations into the larger French economy and culture; and of the deep-seated, searing, soul-destroying racism that the unemployed and profoundly alienated young of the ghettos face every day of their lives, both from the police, and when trying to find a job or decent housing.

To understand the origins of this profound crisis for France, it is important to step back and remember that the ghettos where festering resentment has now burst into flames were created as a matter of industrial policy by the French state.

[twin58]

... Have you really though about it because if you had you would probly know that most of the people causeing trouble were born in France they may be of North African background but they were French born French citizen's, So were are you going to deport them to?

ARE YOU A TOOL?

The OP (original poster) is correct.

[twin58]

Senseless drive-by linkings:

Three from the WaPo on Wednesday, 11-09-05.

'But, What Country Is This?' (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/08/AR2005110801109.html)

By Anne Applebaum
Wednesday, November 9, 2005; Page A31

"Katrina's devastation points the finger at Bush's system . . . Issues forgotten for years are back to the fore: poverty, the state's absence, latent racism."

-- Le Monde, Sept. 8, 2005

The quotation above appeared in a front-page article in France's newspaper of record. Just below was a cartoon showing [Bush] watching TV footage of black corpses floating in the water. "But, what country is this?" the caption had him saying to his generals: "Is it far away? We absolutely have to do something!"

Unfortunately, this column does not come with its own cartoon attached, so I'm forced to describe the one I think Le Monde should print this week: A drawing of the French president, Jacques Chirac, watching black neighborhoods go up in smoke. The president is asking his generals, "But, what country is this? Is it far away? We absolutely have to do something!"

Why France Is Burning (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/08/AR2005110801106.html)
French Lessons (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/08/AR2005110801257.html)

And a link to a whole bunch of French newspapers.
French Newspapers at Daily Earth.com (http://www.dailyearth.com/IntnNews/france.html)

Le Monde (http://www.lemonde.fr/) is the New York Times of France.
Le Figaro (http://www.lefigaro.fr/) takes a rightist stance.
Liberation (http://www.liberation.fr/) will take a leftist stance.
Our visitor over on the High School forum is from Biarritz. Her nearest big city paper is Bordeaux's Sud Ouest (http://www.sudouest.com/101105/une.asp).

Translation tools:
Babelfish (http://babelfish.altavista.com/)
Google Language Tools (http://www.google.com/language_tools?hl=en)

The national sports newspaper is L'Equipe (http://www.lequipe.fr/).

[ColtsLax]

the people, who dont work, hurt the french economy, because they take and take, but don tgive, and by hurting framce, they hurt the EU, which hurts us.

in canada, dont you have college for everyone, like its taken put of your taxes?

[laxgoalieking]

no we get free public school and high school, we have to pay for our post education. unless you are a native american then you get to go to the canadian university or college of your choice for free aslong as you meet the acedemic requirements.

[Frndlefire]

unless you are a native american then you get to go to the canadian university or college of your choice for free aslong as you meet the acedemic requirements.
as it should be.

[laxgoalieking]

i agree we owe them soo mych ,ore then money and education, we owe them land and their culture back, which we have pretty much destroyed