[RANT] Drug testing

[LaXiN22]

Ok so as yall may know to get hired you have to have a drug test taken. I'm not a stoner never even touched bud in my life, why? just because I don't have the desire to smoke. Anyways I was going to get a job at target making 7.50 an hour. I had already been interviewed and offered the position. After that I find out that I have to have a drug test taken, so im like "no big Deal" because I dont have to worry about passing or failing. to make it short the place is 30 minutes away from my house and I can't make it out there on weekdays because of school and what not. (I dont have my license yet). so the end is I didnt get the job just because I didnt get my drug test done in time, I did get it done eventually. So what im saying is anyone else find it stupid to be fired just because of not getting a drug test in time? I mean I know companies dont want to hire lazy stoners but the point is if they want a job I highly doubt they are going to be lazy about it.

TLDR: I didnt get hired because of taking a drug test to late, oh and target offically sucks, Im going to wally world from now on. :agree:

[Frndlefire]

The problem with drug tests is that they do nothing but discriminate against people who smoke pot on their own time. People with real drug problems (coke, meth, alcoholics) aren't affected by drug tests because their drugs of choice get out of their system much faster. Pot on the other hand can carry over for many days. I understand why a company wouldn't want to hire people with drug problems, but drug tests aren't protecting the company from hiring people with real drug problems, just people who smoke pot. Also, I am pretty sure you could work at target, walmart, etc., be stoned the entire time, and be just as good as the teenagers that work there now. I mean, it's not like they give you a hard job or anything and their service already kinda sucks.

[ilaxitup007]

marijuana can stay in your system for up to a month...however the toxants can remain in your hair for almost a year. so mroe and more places are starting to do hair tests so that they are more acurate. the more you work out, the faster it will get out of your blood stream though.

[devillax57]

im not a stoner and ive never have taken a drug test...but isnt there something called detox that speeds up the process of getting the toxants out of your blood?

[LaXiN22]

Yes detox will get rid of it and let you pass a pee test.

[LaXiN22]

But ive heard it tastes like crap.

[LongIslandLax]

Im not a stoner but eating poppy seeds can help you pass the pee test.

[BTlaxripper]

Actually no LIL, poppy seeds will make you fail it!

Remeber a show called "My brother's keeper"?

[LongIslandLax]

Actually no LIL, poppy seeds will make you fail it!

Remeber a show called "My brother's keeper"?

Darn I got it confused. http://www.snopes.com/toxins/poppy.htm

Ive never see "MY brothers keeper"

[unta8]

They don't give you a time allowance because there are things you can do do flush the THC out of your system. A skinny person will rid of the THC faster than a fat person because THC is fat soluable. Running, drinking lots of water, and sweating alot will help pass a test.

[freestylewalkin]

The problem with drug tests is that they do nothing but discriminate against people who smoke pot on their own time. People with real drug problems (coke, meth, alcoholics) aren't affected by drug tests because their drugs of choice get out of their system much faster. Pot on the other hand can carry over for many days. I understand why a company wouldn't want to hire people with drug problems, but drug tests aren't protecting the company from hiring people with real drug problems, just people who smoke pot. Also, I am pretty sure you could work at target, walmart, etc., be stoned the entire time, and be just as good as the teenagers that work there now. I mean, it's not like they give you a hard job or anything and their service already kinda sucks.

one word Detox my friend did it took it i think 2 days(im not a stoner and i havent even smoked)

[Frndlefire]

one word Detox my friend did it took it i think 2 days(im not a stoner and i havent even smoked)
It doesn't matter for me. I'm just talking about how flawed drug testing is. Singles out marijuana smokers which people with real drug problems don't have to worry.

[Diesel4958]

Yea, poppy seeds come up as opium.

[lyonsvt]

but to whoever said "working out helps get rid of it"... working out could also screw you over. THC is stored and fat cells and, regardless of the last time you smoke, if you work out it could release the THC into your system and cause you to fail it. best bet's to drink a lot of water, take a shot of vinegar, and some B vitamins (to color your urine). the test'll come back all whacked out and you might have to retake it, but it'll buy you some more time to detox. no "drinks" or "cleansers" actually get every trace out of your system.

[Superman]

have someone who doesnt blaze take the test for you... thats what alot of people i know do :agree:

[hjr432]

he said he doesnt smoke. he just didnt get to the test clinic in time.

[moondog]

"Lazy" stoners? Hmmm...that's a bit irresponsible.

It also seems like a WEAK excuse that you couldn't get your test done in time. Maybe you aren't worthy of $7.50 an hour, who knows?

Even if you DID smoke nug, there are a ton of drinks you can take to purify your system. I used to smoke, and the drinks, while costing $40 bucks or so, are a small price to pay to "beat" a drug test.

Personally, I think that drug tests are unconstitutional, and they interfere with an individual's right to privacy. If someone seems INCOMPETENT/IMPAIRED at work, I see that as solid grounds to request a test. If someone is a consistent and solid worker, who puffs AFTER work, on their own time, I think they should be evaluated based on the solid work they do.

I'm not going to go over my educational and/or athletic accolades, but I graduated in the top 5% of my class in college, and I must have puffed 5-8 times a day. Some people can work well and operate solidly with it, and some people can/do not.

I'm still not sure how you couldn't get a ride or take a train to your test site, but that is neither here nor there.

You'll get other jobs and opportunities, and losing the "Target" spot is really not a major disaster, in the broader canvas of your life.

[Liv4LaX]

I went through a periode in my life where i did smoke/drink but thats no exscuse, i think there are way better things to do with your time/money. I don want to say i had a problem but i only smoke/drank for 2 months but in that time i wasnt sober 1 day n blazed atleast 9 times a day.....but i fixed myself...baq on topic i think drug tests are wrong if there arnt any grounds for it....

[laxrat22]

just do what randy moss and many other nfl, as well as other professional athletes do and smoke all year until a few weeks before training camp where they have the annual drug test and after that you're good.

i personally think drug tests are fine, i wouldn't want someone on drugs working for me. i have no problem with people who smoke pot in general but if the person was working for me i would mind. and if you don't have anything to hide then you have nothing to worry about

[RockStar]

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If you know of a company that tests for drugs, help them out and leave a stool sample on their front door step.

Drug tests are arguably unconstitutional. If they're not, they should be!

I just wish that governments would realize that pot is not a real social problem like the hard drugs.

[LaXiN22]

"Lazy" stoners? Hmmm...that's a bit irresponsible.

It also seems like a WEAK excuse that you couldn't get your test done in time. Maybe you aren't worthy of $7.50 an hour, who knows?

Even if you DID smoke nug, there are a ton of drinks you can take to purify your system. I used to smoke, and the drinks, while costing $40 bucks or so, are a small price to pay to "beat" a drug test.

Personally, I think that drug tests are unconstitutional, and they interfere with an individual's right to privacy. If someone seems INCOMPETENT/IMPAIRED at work, I see that as solid grounds to request a test. If someone is a consistent and solid worker, who puffs AFTER work, on their own time, I think they should be evaluated based on the solid work they do.

I'm not going to go over my educational and/or athletic accolades, but I graduated in the top 5% of my class in college, and I must have puffed 5-8 times a day. Some people can work well and operate solidly with it, and some people can/do not.

I'm still not sure how you couldn't get a ride or take a train to your test site, but that is neither here nor there.

You'll get other jobs and opportunities, and losing the "Target" spot is really not a major disaster, in the broader canvas of your life.

Weak excuse my *** when you dont have a license you have to have your parents drive you and Both of my parents work in atlanta so thats an hour away from my house and it was hard for them to get back home in time. I had to walk to my interview. to the lazy stoners thing I meant it in general a lot of my friends smoke a lot, I just dont do it.

[LaXiN22]

If you know of a company that tests for drugs, help them out and leave a stool sample on their front door step.

Drug tests are arguably unconstitutional. If they're not, they should be!

I just wish that governments would realize that pot is not a real social problem like the hard drugs.
Oh believe me Im tempted too. :agree:

[Frndlefire]

make some friends that are actually good people and not smoking buddies, and live without having to worry about that kind of thing.so people who smoke are bad people?

[moondog]

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Yeah--I didn't want to get too personal with my response, but if you're a high schooler, and you have a clean record, you should probably be able to acquire a number of part-time jobs. Sometimes, it requires patience, but there are many other opportunities out there (I'd like to think).

[freestylewalkin]

It doesn't matter for me. I'm just talking about how flawed drug testing is. Singles out marijuana smokers which people with real drug problems don't have to worry.
yea and i have to agree with you on that

[zak]

Im willing to make the generalization that as a whole non smokers are better people than nonsmokers, yes.

Want me to list all the great people who smoked? Doing drugs has been part of worldwide human culture, only recently its come under fire by some.

How does it make you a bad person?

[GeorgiaMiddie2]

Im willing to make the generalization that as a whole non smokers are better people than nonsmokers, yes.
1. In case you didnt know, something like 75-80% of people who have been in college have smoked marijuana, and i'm sure that number is even higher for those over 18 who havent been to college. SO, are you saying that 75% of adults in America are bad people??
And, 2. Self-righteousnous will get you nowhere in life... and it won't get you anywhere after life either...

[GeorgiaMiddie2]

that's not how my high school was... most people smoked pot (esp athletes). it was just the normal thing to do. and we all made above average grades, and we wern't "bad" kids?

[i live 4 lax]

You are going to tell me that in highschool (which is really what I was referring to), people that smoke pot are as a whole better people than those who dont?

Im not saying potsmokers are inhuman or anything its just that doing it in highschool usually exposes you to people that really arent worth being around.
no were saying everyone is equal. whether you smoke pot or not you can still be a good person. one of my better friends smokes pot and i trust him with my life. you have a point tho that it exposes you to people who arent worth being around. but everyone i know that smokes pot is a great person. i dont smoke and they never pressure me to smoke. were not saying that people that smoke pot are better than people who dont were saying no one is better than anyone pot or not.

[lax4life6]

yeah a couple kids in my school smoke pot. its just not something i really want to try at all. theyre not bad people theyre just different. i dont see why everybody cares what other people do as long as it doesnt affect your life. just let people live how they wanna

[IrIsH_LaCrOssE]

It bugs me how people think smoking bud is a bad thing. Companies should worry more about people who use coke, herion, crack, and other hard drugs. Those are the people with real drug problems. Not happy stoners.

[_lax4life_]

The problem with drug tests is that they do nothing but discriminate against people who smoke pot on their own time. People with real drug problems (coke, meth, alcoholics) aren't affected by drug tests because their drugs of choice get out of their system much faster. Pot on the other hand can carry over for many days. I understand why a company wouldn't want to hire people with drug problems, but drug tests aren't protecting the company from hiring people with real drug problems, just people who smoke pot. Also, I am pretty sure you could work at target, walmart, etc., be stoned the entire time, and be just as good as the teenagers that work there now. I mean, it's not like they give you a hard job or anything and their service already kinda sucks.

It seems like you support marijuana? And also who says that those other drugs don't stay in as long as MJ. Some legit proof would be nice.

[GeorgiaMiddie2]

crack open your health book. there's your proof.

[ColtsLax]

did you go to the manager and explain your situation, because they may have been willing to cut you some slack.

and how are drug tests unconstitutional?

[zak]

You are going to tell me that in highschool (which is really what I was referring to), people that smoke pot are as a whole better people than those who dont?
No, but the point is that they arent any worse. Even (moral) playing field, you know?

Im not saying potsmokers are inhuman or anything its just that doing it in highschool usually exposes you to people that really arent worth being around.

True, but so does a variety of other things. How many athletes have known coaches/parents that arent worth being around? How many computer geeks have met bullies that arent being around? How many of the handful of openly gay kids in hs have met people that arent worth being around? The point is, that X choice (be it drugs/sports/being a geek/coming out of the closet) will introduce you to idiots in highschool. Thats pretty much the whole point of high school, learning how to deal with people that arent worth your time.

[RYU]

So what im saying is anyone else find it stupid to be fired just because of not getting a drug test in time?Welcome to the real world, and I don't mean the one you watch on MTV. I think what Target did was perfectly acceptable. If you can't complete the hiring process by getting a drug test completed on time, then it's reasonable for an employer to presume that you probably won't be reliable enough to show up to your work shift on time (or at all) either.

I mean I know companies dont want to hire lazy stoners but the point is if they want a job I highly doubt they are going to be lazy about it.Right, and if you really wanted that job at Target, you would have turned in your drug test on time. At the least, you would have spoken to the hiring manager to explain your scheduling complications (school during the day, etc). Probably, they would have given you an extension or made other arrangements for you. But you didn't do any of that did you?

Now in your case, I suspect they sent you on bit of a wild goose chase. You had a lot of things going against you: teenager in HS, under 18, no drivers license, etc. How far away is this Target from you, and how were you planning on commuting there anyway?

These days, I don't know anyone who doesn't do basic drug tests on the spot anymore. It's not as if your urine is being tested for EPO and steroids, which requires complex lab work. You pee in a cup. Drops of your urine are placed on paper that resembles litmus paper. After a few minutes, the paper turns a different color. Any idiot can perform the test.

To be asked to go to a lab 30 min away for a basic urine test is a little unreasonable. I bet Target sent you there to see if you'd jump through the extra hoops. They wanted to see if you could prove you're a responsible teenager, which is almost an oxymoron to employers. I'm sorry, but you pretty much lived down to the generalization of an unreliable teenager.

[moondog]

Look at Colts Lax's AVATAR. That man smoked DAILY, and grew acres upon acres of it. And what did he EVER do for us? What a lazy STONER!

[moondog]

RYU could be the next "Dear Abby." That was well done...

[ColtsLax]

Look at Colts Lax's AVATAR. That man smoked DAILY, and grew acres upon acres of it. And what did he EVER do for us? What a lazy STONER!
GW grew tobacco

[Frndlefire]

It seems like you support marijuana? And also who says that those other drugs don't stay in as long as MJ. Some legit proof would be nice.
I'm a social libertarian. I support it in the same manner that I support ciggerrettes, alcohol, and cereal. I don't enjoy all of them, but who am I to say you shouldn't be allowed to.

[Frndlefire]

GW grew tobaccoand marijuana, just not for smoking. It was extremely common for people to grow hemp for rope, paper, cloth, oils, etc. etc. etc. It's probably a stoner myth that he grew it to smoke, but I've heard in a lot of places that GW did grow marijuana (amongst various other crops).

[RockStar]

I still disagree with drug tests, but RYU makes some excellent points.

[Nreeder33]

well im not sure if anyone saw the 60 minutes like 3 weeks ago. 2 ladies got fired from there job becuase they smoked cigarettes, anouther guy got fired because he worked at budwiser plant and his co workers saw him drinking a coors lightt at a bar. There was a bunch of stupid reasons but 48 states dont have laws against it. And if you think drug testing is bad, alot of companies do genetic testing were they take a cell or whatever test it for the possible health problems you MAY have in the future and even if theres 0.0009 chance of the problem they can fire you and all they have to say is...you were the right person for the job

[ColtsLax]

and marijuana, just not for smoking. It was extremely common for people to grow hemp for rope, paper, cloth, oils, etc. etc. etc. It's probably a stoner myth that he grew it to smoke, but I've heard in a lot of places that GW did grow marijuana (amongst various other crops).
but there is a differance between hemp and pot, one is used to make rope, as stated, and one is to get high. Most sailing ships used hemp for line, which the average warship had miles of. It was the best thing since they didnt have nylon.

[ColtsLax]

i still dont understand why everyone has a problem with drug testing, if you want to work for a private company, they have every right to ask you to take a drug test. And on the off chance that someone is dumb enough to shoot up on they way to a drug test, they will find that

[Frndlefire]

but there is a differance between hemp and pot, one is used to make rope, as stated, and one is to get high. Most sailing ships used hemp for line, which the average warship had miles of. It was the best thing since they didnt have nylon.
only differance is male vs. female plant. Hemp and marijuana are the same plant.

[Frndlefire]

i still dont understand why everyone has a problem with drug testing, if you want to work for a private company, they have every right to ask you to take a drug test. And on the off chance that someone is dumb enough to shoot up on they way to a drug test, they will find that
I am not saying that companies don't or shouldn't have that right, I'm just saying that the drug tests are flawed and don't do anything but discriminate against pot smokers (who I feel are no worse workers than drinkers or cigarette smokers).

[GeorgiaMiddie2]

here's the deal with drug testing, people and why it's not unconstitutional and not unfair for them to ask you to take one...
1. You are applying for a job with them... i other words, they are paying you to perform a service for them. If an employer does not want someone who smokes pot in their free time, they have every right to do say. After all, they are the ones paying you. they are not obligated to give you anything, unless they promise it when you sign your contract with them.
2. Any company that drug tests will tell you in the hiring process. As long as they tell you this in advance, they have every right to ask for you to take one.
3. No company is forcing you to take a drug test. the only people who force you to take a drug test is your probation officer, and if you still refuse, you sit in jail. Now, if a company asks you to take a drug test when you apply, and you refuse, they just refuse the job to you. you are basically telling them that this job is not important enough for you to give them a sample of your urine, saliva, etc. And, if you refuse to take one after you have been hired, they fire you, because i guarantee that if you are given a drug test after you have been hired, you have signed a contract giving them consent to ask you for a drug test, and that if you refuse to take that drug test, that can be grounds for dismissal from the company.

[RottingMind13]

What no one has mentioned is the fact that even if you fail a drug test, it does not mean that you are automatically disqualified from a job at that company. They may have a specific policy that after x times you are fired, but if you test positive not all places will automatically say well because you tested positive for y then you cannot have the job. It is a company to company basis.

[RockStar]

here's the deal with drug testing, people and why it's not unconstitutional and not unfair for them to ask you to take one...
......

Do you not have a right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness?

I'll argue that if you do, your employer should not be allowed to discriminate based on what you do in your free time.

Think about the stupidity of discriminating based on mild, off-hour pot use that doesn't affect on-job performance.

Would an employer discriminate if you played lacrosse? That is a risky outside activity that could cause you to have to miss shifts or undertake lighter work because of injury. Thus it actually could affect your job performance!

Fact is many people can, and many do practice mild recreational drug use outside of work hours without substantially affecting on-job performance. (This is especially true with brain-dead retail jobs). I don't know why employers bother with the time, trouble and expense of testing.

[GeorgiaMiddie2]

This is the difference... they can discriminate against you if you do weed in your free time because... IT'S ILLEGAL!!! do you see where i'm comin from? And, it's a major liability at places where heavy machinery is used because if you're high and injure someone with a forklift, the company can be liable. So, yes they can "discriminate" against people who do illegal substances.

[ColtsLax]

Do you not have a right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness?



how is doint illegal drugs fall under the rights to life, liberty and happiness. they only thing i could think of is that it makes you happy, but only for a short period of time.


its not an invasion of your right to privacy, because you dont have that right, so i dont get this argument

[TheKOB]

The problem with drug tests is that they do nothing but discriminate against people who smoke pot on their own time. People with real drug problems (coke, meth, alcoholics) aren't affected by drug tests because their drugs of choice get out of their system much faster. Pot on the other hand can carry over for many days. I understand why a company wouldn't want to hire people with drug problems, but drug tests aren't protecting the company from hiring people with real drug problems, just people who smoke pot. Also, I am pretty sure you could work at target, walmart, etc., be stoned the entire time, and be just as good as the teenagers that work there now. I mean, it's not like they give you a hard job or anything and their service already kinda sucks.

We also discriminate against criminals by sending them to a jail... :agree:

[RockStar]

how is doint illegal drugs fall under the rights to life, liberty and happiness. they only thing i could think of is that it makes you happy, but only for a short period of time.


its not an invasion of your right to privacy, because you dont have that right, so i dont get this argument

Based on existing laws, testing is within the legal right of employers.

Whether those laws are constitutional is another argument altogether. My opinion is that laws against use of a relatively harmless rec drug could be considered unconstitutional. If someone prefers a bud over a Budweiser, it's not a problem to you, me or anyone else.

I'm done arguing. My last drug use was many years ago and I'm finding it difficult to care much these days.

[Frndlefire]

We also discriminate against criminals by sending them to a jail... :agree:
Didn't I say that I don't consider marijuana use as any more of a crime than drinking underage? And anyway, that wasn't my point.

[Krypt0M4g!c]

Gallon of green tea, gallon of water, niacin pills (straight niacin pills can make your skin burn though, multi-vitamins are safer), and 2 red bulls a day..... worked for "someone I know"

[TheKOB]

Didn't I say that I don't consider marijuana use as any more of a crime than drinking underage? And anyway, that wasn't my point.

Regardless, to use the word "discriminate" to apply to people that break the law isn't the best choice of words. It was half tongue in cheek anyways, hence the smiley.

[Frndlefire]

Regardless, to use the word "discriminate" to apply to people that break the law isn't the best choice of words.
But appropriate in the context of my views. It doesn't prevent you from having workers with drug problems, just pot smokers.

[TheKOB]

Drug testing in general or drug testing for pot?

Just because you can detect pot longer afterwards doesn't mean that you shouldn't do it anyways. It's still illegal. Also, you can't just test for one drug. Pot is one component of a drug test. At the HR firm I work at, the drug tests we send out for are for at least 5 different kinds of drugs.

As for why, I'd still say because it's illegal. Who wants an employee that is doing something illegal? It's the same reason you run background checks and MVR's.

[laxdevil666]

...Would an employer discriminate if you played lacrosse? That is a risky outside activity that could cause you to have to miss shifts or undertake lighter work because of injury. Thus it actually could affect your job performance!

yes, if you work for an abercrombie and fitch store, or if you model for them, they dont let you play sports because you might have some disfigureing injury, however unlikly it it. but sincy the models sign a contract, that means they apporve, and why should we care that they cant play sports.

[Frndlefire]

Drug testing in general or drug testing for pot?

Just because you can detect pot longer afterwards doesn't mean that you shouldn't do it anyways. It's still illegal. Also, you can't just test for one drug. Pot is one component of a drug test. At the HR firm I work at, the drug tests we send out for are for at least 5 different kinds of drugs.

As for why, I'd still say because it's illegal. Who wants an employee that is doing something illegal? It's the same reason you run background checks and MVR's.
Yes, it is true that drug testing is more comprehensive, but in practise they are essentially drug tests for pot. Cocaine, methamphetymines, alcohol all leave your system fairly quickly, hours to a couple days. Pot can stay in your system for a much great amount of time. So if you were tweeked out on meth on weds and knew you had to piss clean on saterday you'd be fine were a guy who smoked pot would be fired. My point is not that employers don't have the right, hell I don't even care if they do, I'm just saying that it really isn't protecting them from hiring real drug users, just pot smokers.

And we all break the law. Maybe not overtly or any significant laws, but we do it. We speed. We jaywalk. We park longer than the meter. We buy and set off illegal fireworks. We do many things which we don't really think about because they aren't significant laws. If someone is breaking what I feel is an insignificant law, such as using pot on their free time, no, I probably won't care.


as for the illegality of pot, within our lifetimes I believe that the official stance will change and it will be looked upon much in the same manner as alcohol, or perhaps a minor fine. People won't be going to jail because they found a small amount on them like now with manditory minimums.

[TheKOB]

Yes, it is true that drug testing is more comprehensive, but in practise they are essentially drug tests for pot. Cocaine, methamphetymines, alcohol all leave your system fairly quickly, hours to a couple days. Pot can stay in your system for a much great amount of time. So if you were tweeked out on meth on weds and knew you had to piss clean on saterday you'd be fine were a guy who smoked pot would be fired. My point is not that employers don't have the right, hell I don't even care if they do, I'm just saying that it really isn't protecting them from hiring real drug users, just pot smokers.

And we all break the law. Maybe not overtly or any significant laws, but we do it. We speed. We jaywalk. We park longer than the meter. We buy and set off illegal fireworks. We do many things which we don't really think about because they aren't significant laws. If someone is breaking what I feel is an insignificant law, such as using pot on their free time, no, I probably won't care.


as for the illegality of pot, within our lifetimes I believe that the official stance will change and it will be looked upon much in the same manner as alcohol, or perhaps a minor fine. People won't be going to jail because they found a small amount on them like now with manditory minimums.

I don't think using drugs can be compared to speeding and jaywalking, even pot, but that's just me.

BTW, I think Denver passed a resolution that people can walk around with up to an ounce of pot on them. It's slowly getting better....or worse, depending on your stance.

[zak]

BTW, I think Denver passed a resolution that people can walk around with up to an ounce of pot on them. It's slowly getting better....or worse, depending on your stance.

Yeah, they did. But Im sure you know your Government and what that means in context.

I don't think using drugs can be compared to speeding and jaywalking, even pot, but that's just me.
I would agree if you changed "using" to "abusing." I think speeding is worse than smoking pot. Remember that commercial with the little girl on the bike that gets hit by the high person at a McDonalds? I think that happens more often when the driver is going 60mph in front of a school.

In all cases, excessive speed is a reckless act that endangers others, pot isnt. In fact, in MD, Im pretty sure your second drunk driving offence carrys a similar penalty to minor possession of weed. That isnt right.