Attackman-goalie clearing interfernce

[PilotShinjiIkar]

Hey guys, I was wondering, I play defense and occasionally I had it where a shot was taken and the goalie caught it but it bounced out of his head and the ball lands either right outside the crease or on the crease, the goalie will get the ball and rake it in. But a attackman will keep hacking at his stick even though he has the ball in the crease. The ref usually wont see it because there will be some many people blocking his view. Is it interference? and what exactly can I do in the situation? Usually as soon as I see that the goalie has raked it inside the crease I begin to sprint for the clear but then Ill stop when I see the attackman still hacking at his stick making him unable to pick it up to clear it and Ill be behind attackman. Several times ill just stand there thinking what the heck, I always have the urge just to hit him from behind into the crease to get him off the ball but I haven't. Should I get to his side and fight to get him off the goalies stick and risk pushing him into the crease somehow? (I tried going at it and pushing him from the side but usually it takes too long to get in the right position to push or hit him from the side without it looking like hit or push from behind) Or just let it go? Or just go and deck him from behind into the goal? When they do this it gives the other team several seconds to recover and get back into position, loosing any chance of catching them offguard for a fastbreak.

EDIT: I am not sure wether this belongs here or in tactics, instructions, if it is I am sorry and will a MOD please move it.

[eme]

If the ball is on the line or inside the crease line and the goalie is raking it back...no contact allowed. Ref should signal "play-on" if attackman makes contact and you should be heading for an outlet pass.

[craig21]

some refs call interference if the goalies raking the ball in the crease and some dont. I do it as an attackman when the goalie rakes the ball in but i havnt gotten called for anything the majority of the time.

[laxfan25]

A quick loose ball goal crease summary;
If the ball is loose outside the crease, the goalie's stick is fair game, but not his body, if any part of it is in the crease. This even includes if the goalie has clamped the ball, which is NOT possession. (Many goalies will cry for a foul in this situation). Once the ball is on the crease line or inside, the goalie AND his stick are protected - no checks allowed from the attack. BTW, the goal official in this situation should have moved in quickly to position himself next to the crease on the goal line extended, so if he is following proper mechanics he should be well-positioned to spot any infractions.
Once the goalie has the ball in his stick, it is protected (assuming again that he has part of his body in the crease), even if it is extended outside the crease cylinder.
As to your options as the D-man; if the ball is loose (inside or outside the crease) and your opponent is within 5 yds of the loose ball, you are free to make a legal push or bodycheck on him. If you bump him into the crease that's great, since you will now have earned a play-on situation, and will get the ball under a number of different scenarios. However, if you push him from the back, the attack will get the ball back outside the box. If you "deck him" from the back, not only will they get the ball, but you'll be putting your team man-down for 1 min for an illegal bodycheck.
So if you can't get a legal check on him, it would be best to try to draw the official's attention to the infraction against your goalie. "Hey, the ball's inside the crease! He can't be checking his stick!"

[moondog]

I was more of a groundball guy than a hitter as a dpole, but as a former goalie, whenever I saw attackmen camping out by the crease, and I knew the ball was still "technically" loose, I'd send the attackmen to the ground. Gotta clear the crease, and protect the goalie. It always reminded me of the UnderArmour commercial..."We must protect this house!"

[skip0l]

i like hacking around hte goal, i don't usually get called, cuz it's not wild and obvious and theres usually people all over the place. i have been layed out quite a few times though, which i dont get frustrated with cuz im asking for it

[PilotShinjiIkar]

Eme, Craig21, laxfan25 especially, great reply, thank you, you confirmed what I thought was true and answered my question. Moondog and skip0l those are the obvious actions I'd take except Im stuck in a situation where the attackman has his back to me, and hes right on the crease, so I cant obviously hack at him from behind and if I hit him he flys into the goalie thats not something I'd really wanna risk either. But laxfan25 has stated all that I need to know, thanks.

[RockStar]

If you're right behind, I think all you can do is lift the guy's stick, give him a little nudge to try and bump him in the crease, and yell for help.

Refs: can a d-man run through his own crease to deck the attacker?

If so, it's a loose ball and your attacker is well within 5 yards of it......I think this an opportunity for one of your D-partners to fly across the crease, and catch the attacker with his head down or looking back at you. Give him a good hit in that position, and it'll be a while before you see him near the crease again!

[laxfan25]

If you're right behind, I think all you can do is lift the guy's stick, give him a little nudge to try and bump him in the crease, and yell for help.

Refs: can a d-man run through his own crease to deck the attacker?

RS, yes, it's perfectly legal for the defensive team to run through their own crease - kind of the "shortest distance between two points".
I also agree about your little nudge idea to bump the guy in the crease. A good percent of the time the ref will only see the crease violation, rather than what precipitated it, so you may get away with cheating!

If so, it's a loose ball and your attacker is well within 5 yards of it......I think this an opportunity for one of your D-partners to fly across the crease, and catch the attacker with his head down or looking back at you. Give him a good hit in that position, and it'll be a while before you see him near the crease again!
The only point here - if you catch the attacker with his head down, don't make your bodycheck with contact to his head - a definite illegal bodycheck!

[RockStar]

....The only point here - if you catch the attacker with his head down, don't make your bodycheck with contact to his head - a definite illegal bodycheck!

Not advocating contact with the head, just pointing out that if he doesn't see the hit coming, it's going to have a bigger effect!

[PilotShinjiIkar]

RS, yes, it's perfectly legal for the defensive team to run through their own crease - kind of the "shortest distance between two points".
I also agree about your little nudge idea to bump the guy in the crease. A good percent of the time the ref will only see the crease violation, rather than what precipitated it, so you may get away with cheating!


The only point here - if you catch the attacker with his head down, don't make your bodycheck with contact to his head - a definite illegal bodycheck!

Well usually when that in the situation I'm the closest man to the goalie cuz everyone else already left to set up for the clear. The entire situation onlyl asts like 4 seconds anyway.