10/20-Second Quiz

[eme]

2006 NCAA Men's Rules.

Team A within its own attack goal area passes the ball back beyond the midline to Team A Goalie who:

a) receives the ball on the third bounce
b) receives the ball after it deflects off Team A defenseman's stick
c) receives the ball after it deflects off Team B attackman's helmet


Trail official starts a 10-second count or a 20-sec. count?

Please defend answer with specific rules and ar's

[pboyd]

Start 10-sec count in all 3 cases when Team A gains possession. [4-14 A.R. 70]

[eme]

PBoyd: I ask you if your answer to 2/3 above would be different if the deflection occurred in the Team A attack goal area and then caromed back to the Team A goalie back behind the midline?

[pboyd]

No - as long as there was no change of possession - I would still start the 10-sec count upon Team A regaining possession anywhere on the field outside the attack area.

[eme]

Pboyd: You astutely strike right at the heart of my dilemma.

2005 ncaa rulebook 4-14 ar 71 and 2006 ncaa rulebook 4-14 ar 70 both begin with the same situation, verbatim:
"A1 has entered the attack goal area. He throws the ball back to A3 who is in the def. half of the field...when does a new 10-sec. count begin?"

2005 ruling says: "When A3 catches the ball the 10-sec. count begins, SINCE POSSESSION WAS NOT LOST. If A3 drops the ball a 10-sec. count begins when A3 is beyond the center line with possession."

2006 ruling says:" When Team A has entered the attack goal area. Team A may pass the ball out of the attack area anywhere on the field, but a 10-sec. count begins as soon as A3 gains possession."


The words in Caps above from 2005 never made it to 2006 book.

Further muddling the situation, go to ar 71 in the 2006 book. It talks about a loose ball (other team had not gained possession) being kicked back from zone 3 to the def. half.
A2 picks it up and a 20-sec. count ensues.

I agree that everything would be a lot cleaner if we all went with the "other team never gained possession so it's still a 10-sec. count no matter where" argument...but the rulebook doesn't explicitly back that up.

[LaxRef]

I think the issue in A.R. 71 is that the offensive team never had possession in the offensive end, so there can be no 10-count. But once you get the ball in your offensive end with possession, then you can't get a new 20 count without change of possession?

[eme]

LaxRef wrote:"But once you get the ball in your offensive end with possession, then you can't get a new 20 count without change of possession?"

I would agree that this is the way to go on this...but the ar's could be more explicit.

[eme]

Another thing here. Team A brings it into its attack area..then it gets kicked back (no possession) by Team B and it goes out of bounds back behind the center line.....new 20-sec. count as per 4-14 ar 61.

So my 4-14 ar "72" would read:

Once Team A brings the ball into its attack area, a new 20-sec. count for Team A will NEVER start unless there is a change of possession or the ball goes out of bounds in Team A's defensive half with Team A entitled to possession.

[eme]

So, smart defenseman A2, knowing that eme's hypothetical ar 72 will of course be law soon...

sees ball was kicked out of A's attack area by Team B...ball rolls back over midline...
smart defenseman lets it roll out of bounds. If he had picked it up it would have ben a 10-sec. count for him...if he gets the re-start after out of bounds...he gets 20 seconds. Being so smart, he is immediately approached by the referee crew after the game to join their ranks...