Whip/Lip = Speed???

[brolax20]

I was wondering if anyone knew if lip or whip increases shot speed?

[CougarLax07]

whip does if you shoot with it right

[CreaseD]

but wouldnt it be easier just to increase ur shot speed without a whip thn learning how to shoot with a whip

[Goldenbearslax6]

whip gives u amazing shot speed, but lip doesnt, lip just makes the ball go to random places

[OULax6]

Whip actually slows down you shots a little bit. Think about it... the less resistance the ball has as it exits the pocket, the faster the ball is gonna travel. Whip gives you other advantages. With a little whip on your stick you get more control over the ball, and allows you to shoot sidearm/underhand with greater ease. If the ball is lipping out, then you have a problem and you need to tighten up your top shooter.

You kinda gotta give a little to get a little. If you really wanna improve your shotspeed, go lift some weights (focusing mainly on your back and triceps).

[moondog]

Accuracy>velocity

Shooting in the right PLACE, a little slower, will actually get you more goals than shooting hard with less accuracy--statistically.

[marflax33]

Accuracy>velocity

Shooting in the right PLACE, a little slower, will actually get you more goals than shooting hard with less accuracy--statistically.

statistically, yes, but if you shoot mostly bounce or ground shots, than accuracy isnt that big of a problem. It depends on how you shoot. If u like to hit the corners, than accuracy is better, But if you just chuck it at the ground in front of the goal, velocity would be better. Thats just my 2 cents.

[moondog]

Agreed. I'm a corner-picker, and I rely on accuracy. A friend of mine was USILA AA, and he could barely break 80. But it was always upper or lower corner, and the goalie just couln't get to the spot in time to make the save.

It also depends on what level people play~

[marflax33]

Agreed. I'm a corner-picker, and I rely on accuracy. A friend of mine was USILA AA, and he could barely break 80. But it was always upper or lower corner, and the goalie just couln't get to the spot in time to make the save.

It also depends on what level people play~

yeah and the goalies skill. If you know its an awesome goalie, i wouldnt go corners, bouncing is unpredictable and is hard to read. He would be able to stop the corners, but it could bounce weird ways.

[Lax101]

I completely agree with OU and completely disagree with goldenbears. Whip makes your release slower because the ball stays in your pocket longer-thus it's momentum and acceleration are impeded. Look at E-Lax's "Fastest Pocket Ever". Notice that it has just one shooter in it, and they mention that it's very hard to use in a game because of the lack of hold it gives. More or less, hold and whip are directly proportional. So the pocket probably has little to no whip.

[RockStar]

I completely agree with OU and completely disagree with goldenbears. Whip makes your release slower because the ball stays in your pocket longer-thus it's momentum and acceleration are impeded. Look at E-Lax's "Fastest Pocket Ever". Notice that it has just one shooter in it, and they mention that it's very hard to use in a game because of the lack of hold it gives. More or less, hold and whip are directly proportional. So the pocket probably has little to no whip.

Yeah, but, look at the big picture. Good hold, the ability to go sub or sidearm, and the ability to fake matters much more than a couple MPH on an OH shot anyway.

(They claimed that stupid test pocket only added like 6 MPH to their shot anyway....that's like 5 to 10% at most, depending on how fast you shoot.)

So, how big is the difference between a fairly smooth pocket and one with a bit of whip? Fairly negligible. Whip doesnt' really slow shots down, most of it's effect on shooting is to change the release point.

[Farny]

People only think that whip increases shot speed because you can feel the release more, if you know what I'm saying.

[West-Strat_LAX]

it all depends on ur shot

but i beleive whip would help

it does for me

[WHEELAX2]

hmm... this has me thinking a bit.. why do objects in a catapult fly so far?? I think it's the same concept ..

[Superman]

hmm... this has me thinking a bit.. why do objects in a catapult fly so far?? I think it's the same concept ..

yeah your right wheel, same concept. beautiful comparison also. lacrosse whip and a catapult. think about it.

[WHEELAX2]

yep.. and what keeps the object in the mechanism?? centrifugal force.. what keeps the ball in the head, centrifugal force.. wouldn't whip add more centrifugal force ??

[RockStar]

^^you need a certain minimum amount of whip to develop real shot speed (like 80s, 90s, or more).

(No need to try to prove this with theory academically.....practical proof is easily obtained when you try to hit those kind of speeds with a women's head. Good luck to you!)

If you go overboard with the whip, it'll slow down your shot a touch, but mostly it just changes the release angle, and where you have to start your shot from.

[WHEELAX2]

an even better analogy...

[NYlaxLI]

I think you have to look at the shots on an individual basis. Overhand having alot of whip slows the shot down. People are saying you need to change the release point etc. this means you also altering the path of force in other words you using the force less efficiently (importance of following through and such). On a side arm shot however, whip MIGHT increase shot speed because you can get a better wind up without the ball falling out. This is also the theory behind offset heads increase shot speed.

[MaKiMaKi13]

well whip= more shot speed depending on what kind of shot you need to be taking and on what kind of shooter you are that and other aspects of your playing style need to be taken in to figure out would whip A)be helpful to you or B)slow you down

plus it all depends on your technique and such also if you like to wind up and take giant shots yea whip might help you but you can still wind up and take big shots with no whip also it just changes when your stick releases the ball

so whip=faster shot is all questionable oo and lip which is when the ball clips off the plastic i doubt gives you faster shot speed

[vroom125]

whip allows bigger wind ups. I have sticks with and without whip. shots with whip are faster.

[BioPro29]

This is like asking......something, that can't be answered directly.

Whether or not whip increases shot speed depends on how you shoot. It slows my shot down, but it may help someone else's shot speed up. It's all relevant to how big you windup is. I feel the best shooters use little whip, as you can still shot as fast as with a lot of whip, but get more accuracy.

[tokiolax]

pockets with no whip allow for a faster pass/shot in a less amount of time...you can shoot faster with a stick with whip, but it will take longer caz you have to wind up..

and i think that lip (just a single nylon shooter, nothing else) gives a little extra kick to your release...my physics teacher was trying to explain it to me..so yeah you can trust my word or not..or just go ask a physics teacher about it...i deno.

[Lax4Ever]

Lip does noting to help your shot. Some people like the feel when the ball lips but it doesn't help.
Whip allows for a windup. The greater the windup, the more power you can put behind the ball. The ball accelerates the entire time it's in the stick and starts to lose speed after it leaves the stick(the only loss is the air friction on the ball). So more mip allows for more power, to a certain point, and only if the shooter knows how to properly use the whip in the stick. The whip does cause another problem. The quickness of the release goes down, allowing the goalie and defence more time to get their sticks in the way.

[WHEELAX2]

Lip does noting to help your shot. Some people like the feel when the ball lips but it doesn't help.
Whip allows for a windup. The greater the windup, the more power you can put behind the ball. The ball accelerates the entire time it's in the stick and starts to lose speed after it leaves the stick(the only loss is the air friction on the ball). So more mip allows for more power, to a certain point, and only if the shooter knows how to properly use the whip in the stick. The whip does cause another problem. The quickness of the release goes down, allowing the goalie and defence more time to get their sticks in the way.


hmmm... good theory, but makes no sense.. I play with a huge bag, and a huge whip, and I rarely if ever get a pass blocked or stopped due to a slower release.. It's all about the angle you release the ball to compensate for the whip.. for instance, with a big whip, you might tend to release the ball earlier, or short arm the shot to get it out quicker.. <<see where I'm going with this..

[RockStar]

^^You're both right.

With whip, it will take a tiny, tiny bit longer to get the shot off as you have to reach a bit further back on the windup.

However, the ball will be in the stick about the same amount of time before the shooters change the direction and put it on target.

That's the effect on an OH shot - reaching back to 8:00 or 9:00 before shooting, rather than say 10:00 or 11:00. Marginal. With practice in moving from cradling to shooting, you can really minimize this difference.

Does this extra time to reach back actually give a goalie more time to set? Maybe, but it can also help you hide the head behind your shoulder or head, and the ball will leave the stick while the face of the stick is angled away from the goalie. This may not be as easy for the guy to track. So, advantage goalie? Possibly not.

To me it's strictly a preference thing. I personally like a fairly whippy pocket because I have found relatively little impact on shot speed, accuracy, and release, but tonnes of benefit to having the extra hold.

Geez, if your pocket is field legal depth, it's hardly even possible to develop un-manageable whip anyway. What's the issue?

[Lax4Ever]

I find the same thing wheelax but, it can be argued that that split second makes the difference. At the same time, the release angle is all about knowing how to play with the whip in your stick. Another thing it effects is a quickstick but again, it's not that hard to do. It just takes practice.

[wannalaxnow]

Sorry, but what exaclty is whip? Thanks